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Mask de Masculine attacks lightspeed

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Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
I don't know how many times this needs to be explained.

This doesn't matter. in the spiritual world everything has spiritual aspects to it it's the very foundation for the realms existence.

These photons and everything are all spiritual. They're all reishi.
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This seems like a rather stupid question to ask but isn't there a barrier around the Seiretei which stops all Reishi from coming in? Wouldn't that stop the sunlight too?

In which case if the Sunlight or energy emitted by those Stars in Soul society was Either Spiritual Matter or Spiritual energy shouldn't Seiretei be in complete darkness?
 
@AstralKing7

Really, I'm a little new here and in that short period I realized that.

@Sigurd

In fact, after all reishi is the same thing as atoms but as souls.
 
This seems like a rather stupid question to ask but isn't there a barrier around the Seiretei which stops all Reishi from coming in? Wouldn't that stop the sunlight too?

In which case if the Sunlight or energy emitted by those Stars in Soul society was Either Spiritual Matter or Spiritual energy shouldn't Seiretei be in complete darkness?

Shakonmaku dosen't stop everything, things can get through; ie, Ryoka Gang with the Reiatsu Ball, Gremmy's meteor, Ichigo himself, and etc.
 
Yup that's correct,it proves sunlight is photons

A side question if a light beam is proven not to be made out of reishi or any kind of energy is it automatically asusumed to be made of photons?just asking cause there are some other feats in my mind
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Shakonmaku dosen't stop everything, things can get through; ie, Ryoka Gang with the Reiatsu Ball, Gremmy's meteor, Ichigo himself, and etc.
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Well according to the databook "high density" items like the things you listed can get through simply because they are high density items

Light on the other hand has no density nor volume, as it's an electromagnetic wave not matter
 
Naw^ that's when it needs more evidence. It can be stated to be a light beam jsut because it gives off light. I can think of a particular series right now that says beam of light but the ability itself is not light based
 
Sekkonds. said:
Yup that's correct,it proves sunlight is photons

A side question if a light beam is proven not to be made out of reishi or any kind of energy is it automatically asusumed to be made of photons?just asking cause there are some other feats in my mind
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Generally if it comes from a realistic source such as a camera or a lamp or even the sun itself it's assumed to be made of photons

Usually it's assumed not to be made of photons if it comes as a result of the persons magical energy such as Lille or Darui or Frieza
 
SheogorathMadness0 said:
@Tatahakai
so is the feat of sword 9 legitimate? He dodged the sunlight, not wanting to derail the topic but it's just my curiosity.
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I think the only argument against it in the past was

1. Outlier (doesn't really work now)

2. He got his ass outta there way before the sun even became a factor as he saw through rukia's movements

3. It was artificial light created by Aizen as las noches doesn't actually have a real sky

Not my arguments btw, just recounting the thread about it
 
What are the current arguments against this that hasn't been addressed?

Because if it doesn't have any actual grounds for disagreement it doesn't matter.
 
Doubt:

Does the Beam retract in a reflective material prove that it is Natural Light ...? Or is it not necessary to be Natural Light? Will it still be LS?

I really don't knowledge about it so forgive me if it sounds like a stupid question
 
JuniorGabrielXxX said:
Doubt:
Does the Beam retract in a reflective material prove that it is Natural Light ...? Or is it not necessary to be Natural Light? Will it still be LS?

I really don't knowledge about it so forgive me if it sounds like a stupid question
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If something isn't stated to be light speed, other traits of light can be used to support a light based attack being light speed.
 
It seems like it'd get a pass but i'm not too sure. For now i'll be following the arguments.
 
Don't think there's a consensus yet, would be better if we had some more staff here
 
TataHakai said:
Don't think there's a consensus yet, would be better if we had some more staff here
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Did you have anyone in particular in mind? I can message them if you want
 
Well so far the counter arguments are...

  • Color of the beam?
    • Don't think this is an actual thing though, sounds like nonsense to me.
  • Viz writing "Klang" on a panel?
    • Don't think this is an actual thing either, but if it were the Japanese scans show something that can't be read nor says "Klang".
  • But Zanpakuto are spiritual weapons
    • Already addressed as well. Zanpakuto are at a base level just swords. And show they have reflective surface as shown in the scan that's in OP just like normal metal objects.
  • Maybe Renji smacked it away like a baseball or something
    • Not possible considering he simply appeared in front of the beam. The character firing the beam states he diverted the beam.
So all the arguments were easily countered. So unless someone has a real argument here against it. Whoever disagreed is irrelevant since their arguments are either debunked or fallacious.
 
@Siguard; the question I asked about the color of the beam was to try and see if it matched up with how Kubo depicted light elsewhere in the manga to see if he intended for Mask's attack to be interpreted as actual light.
 
Really the color does not differ at all, using this to try to somehow try to disqualify it is kind of complicated.
 
Also, does anyone have the raw page for when Mask refers to it as a beam of light?
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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Would be funny if he didn't.
ÕàëþÀÜ = beam; light ray
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Really hahaha, but I had seen this before, so I made this thread.
 
A A A Looks like you've all come to an agreement so there's no need for me to say anything. If it's accepted that Renji reflected it, then sure, I agree. Don't think you all needed my opinion though
 
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