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Should Goddess Magic be Lightspeed? ( Nanatsu No Taizai Thread)
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Sooo we gonna ignore the problems with this?
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The OP literally addresses almost all these problems if you read. As for physical interactions, especially in Galand's case, he can lift the Ark, giving him the NPI of an intangible thing made of elements instead because the Ark is made of physical things.
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Address what? They only gave positive points for it to be considered lightspeed.
They didn't address the bending, the being able to physically push people, the treating the light as if it was physical and being able to change shape and sizes.
Edit: And you know that saying Ark is made of physical things disqualifies it right?
They didn't address the bending, the being able to physically push people, the treating the light as if it was physical and being able to change shape and sizes.
Edit: And you know that saying Ark is made of physical things disqualifies it right?
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I'm not saying he has already addressed all the issues; I just say almost or perhaps a few of them. I even explain that some cases like Galand can physically interact with the Ark, which should grant him non-physical interaction with intangible things made out of elements instead of treating the Ark as if it were physical. As for being able to change shape and size, I don't see why it can be disqualified when the user can manipulate the light at the particle level (possibly photon), which makes them possible to be capable of bending the light, altering it shape into other forms like a ball of light instead of just a straight light
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I guess so
I'm sure that the Ark in laser form is really an LS, because it has met the criteria. Anti-feats are definitely there, but can't that be ignored since the goddess is able to manipulate light?
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Being able to manipulate light doesn't allow you to ignore the anti-feats for it.
I remember there being a thread on it. I'll post it if I can find it.
I remember there being a thread on it. I'll post it if I can find it.
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It can if the original light is actually made of photon stuff, then the user can bend them because they can manipulate the light, this is something common in fiction when the character can bend even the natural light stuff
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It’s not, they just have opposite elements
Yes and said weaklings were shown to be able to touch a canon FTL caracter with ark (Mael)
Characters that manipulate light can alter it’s form and nature, photons are a physics constant just being able to change it’s shape don’t necessarily mean it changes it’s speed
None of the attacks that are shown are even ark
Light is used as a weapon and magic in NNT comes from natural elements that the mages can manip and alter to a variety of uses
They did reflect on Gideon only her could interact with the beam
No one blocked the light dude blocked falling rocks
As for the people running someone adressed it already
Litteraly contradicts his previous « once it hits Diane they extinguish immediately »
Not Even called ark Just light manip i adressed why light benders can… bend natural light in NNT
Same shi
All demons have NPI
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I really hate the whole “fodder character____” argument it’s really just so disingenuous. Like for example Px’s in one piece use kizaru’s DF power for their lasers and it’s accepted as LS, despite them being fodders to the current power of the verse.
All the goddesses we have a profile would only be getting SOL attack speed
All the goddesses we have a profile would only be getting SOL attack speed
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Light Speed Standard Revision
Hi everyone. While I had the chance, I wanted to make a thread to discuss our current standards for Laser/Light beam dodging and what we find is, or isnt, acceptable to be a light speed attack. "Should our standards not be tight anymore?" NO. This is not what im pushing for and im addressing...
Found it. Unless standards have changed, being a light manipulator doesn’t excuse the fact that bending the light can impact its speed so you can’t assume it’s SOL anymore.
Also having NPI for souls does not mean you can touch light they are completely different from one another. That’s why we put down what they can interact with in the description.
Unless you gonna tell me because you can interact with souls you can interact with all non-tangible stuff.
And this thread is about NNT so I don’t know why you’re bringing up OP.
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NNT's magic is based purely on natural elements, the same applies to Ark, (it is literally called "particles of light") plus there are a wide variety of FTL characters in the verse, this is not only not far-fetched, but consistent with what is shown throughout the entire series.Light Speed Standard Revision
Hi everyone. While I had the chance, I wanted to make a thread to discuss our current standards for Laser/Light beam dodging and what we find is, or isnt, acceptable to be a light speed attack. "Should our standards not be tight anymore?" NO. This is not what im pushing for and im addressing...vsbattles.com
Found it. Unless standards have changed, being a light manipulator doesn’t excuse the fact that bending the light can impact its speed so you can’t assume it’s SOL anymore.
Also having NPI for souls does not mean you can touch light they are completely different from one another. That’s why we put down what they can interact with in the description.
Unless you gonna tell me because you can interact with souls you can interact with all non-tangible stuff.
And this thread is about NNT so I don’t know why you’re bringing up OP.
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Are you really paying attention to our words or not. We were told that they had a different non-physical interaction with the elements instead of just considering the light ball that Galland lifted is a physical thing. That's normal, if the character can touch souls we allow them to have non-physically interact with incorporeality, and if the character can touch intangible things like elementals then they will have non-physical interaction with intangible made of elements. Unless if you have some statement showing that the light ball Galland lift is a physical manifestation then I'm okay with
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And it won't affect the OP's point at all. The OP's point here is to prove that the Ark has the speed of light by proving it is real light, even if light controllers can bend light and affect the speed, then this doesn't change the fact that many times the Goddess shoots beams in a straight path that are actually at the speed of light because it is literally a natural light
Demon_Lord18
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We already have two votes from staff, we can now apply the changes
Faa_Tzy
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I know, but seeing as this has been rejected a few times before, I think it requires 3 staffs.
Edited: I'm not talking about CRT only getting 3 staffs, I'm just giving reasons why I bumped.
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Demon_Lord18
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It is unlikely that another team member will give their opinion here, I have already been to several people's walls and only two have commented.
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Try the all purpose thread or crt evaluation request thread.
Epsilon_R
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Are we gonna ignore fodder citizens dodging it tho?
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Can you provide some scans of this? If there's implication of the beams / Goddess magic attacks not being particularly fast then that'd influence it.
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/speed-of-nnt-via-goddess-arc.35554/page-2#post-1112299
Here are the reasons it was rejected before.
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Hmm, yeah, considering the number of examples brought up by DemonGodMitchAubin, I'm currently against treating the Goddess Magic attacks as lightspeed by default, though I can understand why some people would be fine with it.
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Mate you can't ignore all the other showings of Ark violating the https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Laser/Light_Beam_Dodging_Feats and saying only the straight beams are SOL.
Either every instances of Ark is SOL or none of them are.
Show me where they have physically touched light before lifting Ark.
And no. Just be cause you can touch one element doesn't mean you can touch all elements.
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Sorry for double posting, but look at this https://nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Ark#Elizabeth (I know were not supposed to use wiki as evidence but I don't follow the verse).
How you gonna tell me that Ark is only used as a straight beam?
Edit: And even if they were only using the beams, they have been shown to bend which, even if you're a light manipulator (also ignoring the bending which is an anti-feat), influences the speed of it so you can't say it's straight SOL.
How you gonna tell me that Ark is only used as a straight beam?
Edit: And even if they were only using the beams, they have been shown to bend which, even if you're a light manipulator (also ignoring the bending which is an anti-feat), influences the speed of it so you can't say it's straight SOL.
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Demon_Lord18
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No forager has avoided this.
Faa_Tzy
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Perhaps. But, idk
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I didn't even ignore all of them, I just explained why some of them aren't really contradictory enough to consider the Ark not a real light, just like the case where Galand showed to be capable of lifting the Ark
Huh? Does it matter whether he can interact with light in the present or in the past? Just because he didn't show to interact with elements like light before, doesn't mean he is unable to do it until now. Galand only showed that he could lift the Ark and nothing more. And it is not enough to judge the Ark to be a physical thing just because the characters interact with them unless you have some evidence, like a statement that the Ark is made of physical. Because if the character can demonstrate such a feat like interacting with an element without any contradiction, then they will achieve non-physical interaction with intangible things (elemental).
Bruh, I didn't even say he can touch all the elements, just that he can touch intangible things made of elements, and in this case, it's light
You still don't understand my point? I was literally told that if the user were to bend it, then they might affect the speed of light; however, if the user only shoots them in a straight line, then the speed is just the default speed as they only shoot in a straight line, similar to how light normally travels.
Just because random citizens are running like they're trying to dodge them, doesn't mean they're actually capable of dodging with reflexes instead of just because they're so lucky. There are many cases where ordinary people try to run away from a gunman who is shooting at a distance, and if they somehow avoid it, it could be because of luck or the shooter did not shoot accurately
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speedster352
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The Mael thing was because they were already running before the projectiles approached and those attacks were randomized not controlled.
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They didn’t dodge it? Every of those beams were shot at random and hit multiple objects, the ground and almost hit a civilian but made contact with the building first
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Just to be safe can we have Antvasima or like the lead moderator to take a look at this crt?
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@DemonGodMitchAubin As you commented on the original thread for this here, could you let us know if your thoughts on it are still the same?
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Damn, that was 6 years ago… I’m old
Nah, I actually agree that Ark is light speed. I mean it’s made of light particles and does appear to fit several criteria such as reflections and stuff. I do think only the beams really have an argument of being light speed tho. And Ludoshel’s Flash is explicitly Light Speed, with him being faster than several characters. So considering Ark beams light speed with the context that people slower than Ludoshel’s Flash should not be Light Speed or FTL is fine
Light speed is tricky tho because someone can be made of actual light and not move at light speed such as Ark Spheres or Projectiles. But the actual light beams have a decent enough argument
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Okay, thanks for responding.
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Thank you all for responding.
Any Goddess clan member will get SOL attack speed via ark.
Any Goddess clan member will get SOL attack speed via ark.
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If we restrict it to just the beam attacks, then I'm fine with it. I don't think every single Ark attack should be considered lightspeed as characters who can manipulate and create light constructs don't necessarily have those constructs always moving at lightspeed.
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I mean considering the fact that the character that introduced ark to us readers is considered lower ranked in the Goddess clan I think it should be fine.
But what would you suggest?
But what would you suggest?
