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Marvel Comics: Rune King Thor upgrade
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Oh, that’s very unfortunate.
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"At least Low 1-C, likely Low 1-A" for Thor's further ascended Rune King state, but it seems like a massive outlier for regular Odinforce Thor to kill the destroyer of the 6th multiverse.
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Didn't he kill the Black Winter only by unleashing the full extent of Galactus' power?
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This is possibly because Thor wasnt bound by the strand of fate anymore, when Odin banished Thor to earth, TWSAIS couldn't predict what Thor could do when influenced by humanity, thus they couldn't write his fate
Unlike Odin who's strength and potential is completely bound by TWSAIS
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Well, the problem is that Thor also repeatedly beat up Galactus prior to absorbing his power in this story.
He killed The Black Winter by turning Galactus into a bomb btw.
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Yes, that is correct.
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It seems that he was able to harm Galactus because he was continually draining more and more of his Power Cosmic until he eventually took all of it. That's the Thor that fully scales to the Black Winter: Skyfather Thor + all of the power of a Galactus who had been explicitly amped to power levels higher than ever before.
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How many issues did this amp last?
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Galactus hadn't consumed all of the 5 special planets yet, up until Thor Vol 6 4. And the Black Winter was only killed when Thor expended the absolute entirety of Galactus' power that there was nothing left of it
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This is why there wouldn't be any sort of scaling chain issues if we included the Low 1-A via Absorption for Thor. It would scale to no one except for him, because he no longer had any of Galactus' power after he used it to destroy the Black Winter.
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Seems like a Superman-World Forger situation. Not an outlier, but not worth putting on the profile.
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I genuinely dont like how Wiki treats very popular feats like this
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I agree. Cosmic King Thor has swiftly become one of the most popular powerups for the character, and we don't even have him mentioned
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I was under the impression that we were going with solid Low 1-A to begin with.
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It should be a solid 1-A, since every cosmo has a far shore, and Eternity is scaled to 1-A in her last key because of this.
Both TSWAIS and Black Winter should scale above, first that in She-Hulk, Ewing states that the Black Winter destroyed the sixth iteration, and Cates confirms that it would destroy the current multiverse (current iteration).
Antvasima was saying that the stories weren't connected because we had no evidence of multiverse being quoted within Cates' writing, but i brought a solid evidence. Therefore argues like "it's a minor version of the Multiverse" doesn't makes sense, even in the given context of how the Black Winter is about "The end of everything", "all of creation would fall", "the black winter is the end of the previous reality (multiverse)", "
The pair now stand before the end of the multiverse."
Both TSWAIS and Black Winter should scale above, first that in She-Hulk, Ewing states that the Black Winter destroyed the sixth iteration, and Cates confirms that it would destroy the current multiverse (current iteration).
Antvasima was saying that the stories weren't connected because we had no evidence of multiverse being quoted within Cates' writing, but i brought a solid evidence. Therefore argues like "it's a minor version of the Multiverse" doesn't makes sense, even in the given context of how the Black Winter is about "The end of everything", "all of creation would fall", "the black winter is the end of the previous reality (multiverse)", "
The pair now stand before the end of the multiverse."
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Well, the main issue is that it just doesn't make any logical sense for a skyfather slightly powered up with the power of a herald of Galactus to reach Low 1-A degrees of power, so I think that Cates has a much lower ranked perception of the multiversal cosmology than what we tank it as, especially as Jonathan Hickman previously established that the only thing that is necessary to destroy or create the entire multiverse in the modern iteration of Marvel's cosmology is to destroy or create a finite number of universes.
However, I am fine with scaling Rune King Thor to The Beyonders, in lack of better options, if we are absolutely certain that TWSAIS are members of this species.
However, I am fine with scaling Rune King Thor to The Beyonders, in lack of better options, if we are absolutely certain that TWSAIS are members of this species.
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I think that it seems like too much of an outlier for herald Thor to reach Low 1-A, but if The Black Winter geniunely destroyed the ENTIRE 6th multiverse, he would qualify as Low 1-A for the same reasons as Mikaboshi, yes.
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Should we just go with Low 1-A, possibly 1-A?
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Currently we do not seem to have sufficient certainty for anything beyond "At least Low 1-C, likely Low 1-A"
Well, it isn't like the entire 6th multiverse completely disappeared. It metamorphosed into the 7th multiverse/Eternity and Infinity.
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The problem here is that CKT didn't scale to the Black Winter while he only had a Herald's proportion of the Power Cosmic. He injured it with an Odinforce + PC Godblast, an attack which can already consistently injure 2-A beings from a 3-C source, and then killed it when he took all of the power from the strongest version of Galactus yet. Even at the time when he used the Godblast he had already taken more PC than Galactus originally gave him, so he was definitely beyond Skyfather+ Herald level by the time the Black Winter showed up
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Hmm. Maybe, maybe not, but it still doesn't make sense that Galactus would reach a Low 1-A scale of power just from eating five planets, even if they were extra nourishing, or that Thor could absorb that scale of power into himself so easily.
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I thought the scaling to Lifebringer Galactus was the main source of the scaling, not the possibility of them being Beyonders.
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To be fair, it doesn't make sense that eating normal planets elevates normal Galactus from 3-C to 2-A, but it very clearly does. Silver Surfer was also clear that Galactus amped by the special planets would have the raw power to defeat the Black Winter, and that proved to be true.
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As far as the RKT upgrades go, I agree with Low 1-A. We should also create pages for TWSAIS as a reference
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I support solid Low 1-A based on the being very strongly implied to be Beyonders, existing in a realm that hurts Lifebringer Galactus, and being way above the Black Winter, which destroy the Sixth Multiverses and threatened to destroy the current.
I am neutral on anything to do with Herald of Galactus Thor, because frankly I don't think it meets the notability requirements. It wasn't present for very many issues, and the storyline it was part of was nowhere near as important for Thor's character as Ragnarok was.
I am neutral on anything to do with Herald of Galactus Thor, because frankly I don't think it meets the notability requirements. It wasn't present for very many issues, and the storyline it was part of was nowhere near as important for Thor's character as Ragnarok was.
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Bro how the **** did you quote a message that i didn't even send
But no, the main source of the scaling is them possibly being beyonders, and them scaling above Lifebringer Galactus and The Black Winter (if we accept him as Low 1-A) Which would be consistent with them being beyonders
What i wanted to say was
So, will these be the ratings?
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Looks good to meBro how the **** did you quote a message that i didn't even send
But no, the main source of the scaling is them possibly being beyonders, and them scaling above Lifebringer Galactus and The Black Winter (if we accept him as Low 1-A) Which would be consistent with them being beyonders
What i wanted to say was
So, will these be the ratings?
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insane amps are a thing in fiction.
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Agree with this
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By quoting it before you deleted it.Bro how the **** did you quote a message that i didn't even send
The Black Winter has nothing to do with LB Galactus though?
TWSAIS scaling above LB Galactus is the primary reason I agreed with this, and the reason why they should be solid Low 1-A.
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