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This is not the purpose of this thread. Please avoid derail.
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Major DBZ and DBS Upgrades (Since Nobody is Unlocking the 2-C Crt)
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The argument of the threat is precipitated upon it, so I think it's prudent to clarify LordGriffin's thoughts on the matter.
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Destroying a infinite universe used as a proof of infinite speed is not ideal. I can mention so many characters with that feat and still MFTL+ but that would be derailing.
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That is incorrect. Whether the universes are infinite or not has no bearing on the 2-C scaling. 2-C got accepted before the infinite universes thread.
The universes are already accepted as infinite also. It's simply a case that the story contradicts the speed ratings.
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As has already been stated, maybe Infinite Speed should be discussed in a later revision, especially as a blog is still apparently not finished.
2-C is the focus of the thread afterall.
2-C is the focus of the thread afterall.
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Isn't this about infinite speed, based on the claim that the universe is infinite?
Well that's what I'm seeking clarity about. It seems like the thread got horrendously derailed and there wasn't much room amongst all the noise to have a proper discussion about it.
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It's about 2-C scaling.
Infinite speed it's just a consequence of the other thread, and multiple users including staff are proposing to drop it entirely.
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dimensional travel, it is not even speed in the first place, never was
that is an ap feat yes, no speed tho
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So let's leave it with @Reiner e @Firestorm808 about infinite speed later and focusing on anime being 2-C and manga?
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also dimensional travel, that wouldn't be speed also
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That would be the best course of action, since Deagonx wants to revisit the topic for infinite universes.
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Agree with 2-C, though honestly the above’s convinced me infinite speed should either be given at best a possibly or just outright scrapped for consistency’s sake. In all honestly backtracking the infinite universe upgrade for consistency feels like the best course of action as opposed to calling so many cross universal feats outliers. It’s not like it affects the 2-C upgrade to be a big deal anyways.
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So what about the GoD and Angels?
They never participated in the ToP any more than sitting and watching
Do you still apply the ToP Contradiction to infinite speed to them as well?
And if so then why?
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I see, that's how we do it then, ask Op to remove the infinite speed business, let's just apply the 2-C to the manga and anime or you can simply change the CRT to Universe 2-C, removing the infinite speed
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I'm PMing LordGriffin to discuss his thoughts on it privately so that we don't get off track here any further.
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Exactly
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Thank you.
I will also add that any derailing comment from this point on will be deleted.
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All of us agree with 2-C but not with Infinite Speed
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considering that they would only scale via upscaling from the guys which the infinite speed is being argued against, they are honestly on a similar boat
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Please keep the latter for another thread.
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Looking at it more, the arguments against Infinite speed do have some ground. It'd be better if there were multiple feats on that level (at least or 3) but if there's only one single feat that's contradicted so heavily multiple times then it may need to be dropped.
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We have 4 to be exact
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I think the expanding was for the observable universe but their is infinite space beyond that which is supported from what I can remember. I'd half to re-read the previous thread since my memory isn't the best.
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Yeah IIRC that's what the scans say about the darkness beyond the observable universe.
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Meh
In that case save infinite speed arguments for another thread then and stop all arguments regarding it for now and focus on 2-C at the moment
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Someone just start a new thread, we have enough agreements for the initial proposition already, just make a infinite speed thread with all the feats and link it here please
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"3. Kefla stating she could blow away an entire Universe in one shot"
"Champa and Beerus' feat that would destroy both Universes, it would be the 4th proof of that."
In what way is this infinite speed rather than range?
"Champa and Beerus' feat that would destroy both Universes, it would be the 4th proof of that."
In what way is this infinite speed rather than range?
I've PMd Griffin about it since Lephyr didn't want it discussed here. I am open to doing so here but I don't want to cause any friction.
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And the infinite galaxies that have been declared many times
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Many times? All I saw was the Jaco thing which was determined to not refer to infinite galaxies.
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This
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Other than the initital feat, all of those were already debunked to hell and back. Range =/= speed, else they'd be Immeasurable.
Anyway, let's get back onto applying the thread's accepted scaling for 2-C.
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We have three statements, GT claiming to have Unlimited Galaxies, another statement in daizenshuu and chozenshu stating this. And Jacob mentions about containing countless galaxies
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uh, guys, the speed upgrade is also being proposed to toei continuity, we can stop talking about dbs speed, but toei speed needs to be discussed as well
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Exactly my point.
They should create a different thread for that with enough evidence for infinite speed
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Leave it for the other thread.
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Well, I haven't seen the other statements, but I know the Jaco statement definitively doesn't say what you're claiming. In fact, you liked Executor's comment where he explained this, so I don't know why you're saying otherwise.
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If you want I can put them on my profile for you to look at, but please don't downgrade our verse.
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No, speed as a whole should be take to another thread, Toei or not.
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