Major DBZ and DBS Upgrades (Since Nobody is Unlocking the 2-C Crt)

[Deagonx]

please don't downgrade our verse.

I really dislike this mindset. Being a fan of a verse shouldn't lead to trying to get it upgraded as much as possible. You shouldn't feel anguish or discontent at a verse being downgraded if thats more in line with the power level of the characters.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

I really dislike this mindset. Being a fan of a verse shouldn't lead to trying to get it upgraded as much as possible. You shouldn't feel anguish or discontent at a verse being downgraded if thats more in line with the power level of the characters.

I agree, though when your verse gets targeted in order to be wrongfully downgraded, it gets tiring.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I don't have anything against the Universe being Infinite in size and not arguing against a 2-C upgrade anymore, but it makes me think the shockwaves feats are outliers. "The Void not having time or space" is contradicted by the fact that 80 minutes can pass, and we literally nuked our timeless void standards as being infinite speed even if the statement was legit. We also cannot deny the fact that Bulma was able to speak with fighters or see characters fight to an extent. Still, even characters like Krillin or Master Roshi would have Infinite speed by that logic, which honestly just sounds really iffy. So I am clearly against Infinite speed for Dragon Ball Super tbh. And we may need to look for how next best Massively FTL+ speed feat then.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

We also cannot deny the fact that Bulma was able to speak with fighters or see characters fight to an extent.

This happens whether hypersonic, sub-rel, rel or MFTL

Unless you want to downgrade those too, that argument is frankly pretty bad.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This happens whether hypersonic, sub-rel, rel or MFTL

Unless you want to downgrade those too, that argument is frankly pretty bad.

This difference is that those are all still finite gaps, I think our standards for those should be much stricter for Infinite/Immeasurable speeds.

 

[Omegabronic]

I don't have anything against the Universe being Infinite in size and not arguing against a 2-C upgrade anymore, but it makes me think the shockwaves feats are outliers. "The Void not having time or space" is contradicted by the fact that 80 minutes can pass, and we literally nuked our timeless void standards as being infinite speed even if the statement was legit. We also cannot deny the fact that Bulma was able to speak with fighters or see characters fight to an extent. Still, even characters like Krillin or Master Roshi would have Infinite speed by that logic, which honestly just sounds really iffy. So I am clearly against Infinite speed for Dragon Ball Super tbh. And we may need to look for how next best Massively FTL+ speed feat then.

well there is the "going from one solar system to another" from this guy https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Barry_Kahn

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

This difference is that those are all still finite gaps, I think our standards for those should be much stricter for Infinite/Immeasurable speeds.

If it applies to one, should apply to everyone. If Bulma watching and commenting on fights is such a counter, then every speed feat doesn't work for the same reason.

 

[Deagonx]

I agree with DDM on the matter.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Not really, I know it's PIS regardless, but the difference is that all Finite speed characters should be basically 100% frozen and a fight between a group of Infinite speed characters should end in 0 seconds, not 80 minutes. If you don't want to use the Bulma example, the 80 minutes or the Barry Kahn example still stand.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Notice how I focused on the Bulma one. It's the only one I disagree with (though I believe you sre extrapolating certain arguments that weren't really made with the Krillin and Roshi example).

 

[Excellence616]

A good example of infinite speed are
Post Crisis Wally west and Quicksilver

This thread should be closed and a thread for infinite speed should be created.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

A good example of infinite speed are
Post Crisis Wally west and Quicksilver

This thread should be closed and a thread for infinite speed should be created.

The 48 hours haven't passed for the 2-C upgrades.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Not really, I know it's PIS regardless, but the difference is that all Finite speed characters should be basically 100% frozen and a fight between a group of Infinite speed characters should end in 0 seconds, not 80 minutes. If you don't want to use the Bulma example, the 80 minutes or the Barry Kahn example still stand.

So let's leave infinite speed to @Reiner and @Firestorm808, I'm sure if everyone helps each other out, we can reach some consensus about infinite velocity.

 

[JirensMom]

Earth is in the Milky Way sector. Goku teleported there (we know since the galactic patrol is there) with gas. Cereal is stated by outside narration to be super far and in a different edge of the universe compared to earth. Gas travelled this distance in 20 mins which you can argue is infinite speed. Also the official db website saying Gas travelled across the entire universe.

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

Can't we just say the BoG shockwaves are just range instead of speed instead of considering anything an outlier? As far as I can tell the range of explosions obviously aren't scaled to speed here, otherwise every DB Low 2-C would have immeasurable speed and that's not the case.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Earth is in the Milky Way sector. Goku teleported there (we know since the galactic patrol is there) with gas. Cereal is stated by outside narration to be super far and in a different edge of the universe compared to earth. Gas travelled this distance in 20 mins which you can argue is infinite speed. Also the official db website saying Gas travelled across the entire universe.

No. He travelled a limited distance (while a large one indeed). That feat is a blatant contradiction to infinite (even bigger than the ToP imo).

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

A good example of infinite speed are
Post Crisis Wally west and Quicksilver

This thread should be closed and a thread for infinite speed should be created.

No, it was accepted that the characters will be 2-C and we will still apply this, the thread will be done when the blog of @Firestorm808 be fully done

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Can't we just say the BoG shockwaves are just range instead of speed instead of considering anything an outlier? As far as I can tell the range of explosions obviously aren't scaled to speed here, otherwise every DB Low 2-C would have immeasurable speed and that's not the case.

I have always took the shockwaves as range, indeed.

 

[JirensMom]

No. He travelled a limited distance (while a large one indeed). That feat is a blatant contradiction to infinite (even bigger than the ToP imo).

Can you explain why it was a limited distance? bc yeah it would definitely be contradiction if it was an finite distance

 

[Ped2018]

Someone: Lets drop infinite speed guys

Another person: Yeah, lets make a CRT for that

Someone: ....but about the infinite speed

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

I have always took the shockwaves as range, indeed.

Yeah, like if we do that little to no inconsistencies pop up as far as I can tell, since no one else below Whis has cross universal speed feats.

 

[Vietthai96]

Why it turned into infinite speed again???

 

[Tyranno223]

Please stay on topic. The thread is about Tier 2-C, not infinite speed. Even if the tier is resolved, speed discussion should be saved for another thread.

 

[KLOL506]

I have always took the shockwaves as range, indeed.

Pretty sure it was that case in the manga only, the anime had it as the expansive energy ball.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Pretty sure it was that case in the manga only, the anime had it as the expansive energy ball.

Understood. Been awhile since I've watch the BoG arc.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

it’s about both

It's been agreed to leave infinite speed for another thread.

 

[JirensMom]

It's been agreed to leave infinite speed for another thread.

It’s on the op still so it’s confusing

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Understood. Been awhile since I've watch the BoG arc.

Pretty sure it was that case in the manga only, the anime had it as the expansive energy ball.

Not really, I know it's PIS regardless, but the difference is that all Finite speed characters should be basically 100% frozen and a fight between a group of Infinite speed characters should end in 0 seconds, not 80 minutes. If you don't want to use the Bulma example, the 80 minutes or the Barry Kahn example still stand.

So this thread is a continuation of the universe being 2-C, it was decided that in the other one it was to apply all things related to 2-C by @Plack, but didn't have the blog to update the characters, so it was shut down, but now we do! Can we update direct or will we have to wait 48 hours?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Ig speed can be another crt but High 3-A toeiverse and gt should still be fine and the 2-C upgrades

(also technically the 2-C stuff was suppose to get applied in the other crt but it never got unlocked so I’m not sure if we can apply it or not or if we still have to wait again)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Ig speed can be another crt but High 3-A toeiverse and gt should still be fine and the 2-C upgrades

(also technically the 2-C stuff was suppose to get applied in the other crt but it never got unlocked so I’m not sure if we can apply it or not or if we still have to wait again)

Not really, I know it's PIS regardless, but the difference is that all Finite speed characters should be basically 100% frozen and a fight between a group of Infinite speed characters should end in 0 seconds, not 80 minutes. If you don't want to use the Bulma example, the 80 minutes or the Barry Kahn example still stand.

Medeus, could you provide information if we can already apply this or do we have to wait 48 hours?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Ig speed can be another crt but High 3-A toeiverse and gt should still be fine and the 2-C upgrades

(also technically the 2-C stuff was suppose to get applied in the other crt but it never got unlocked so I’m not sure if we can apply it or not or if we still have to wait again)

Deagonx wants to revisit that alongside the speed thread (since both depend on the universes bring infinite), so yeh

I'd suggest follow on standard procedure and waiting. And once again, it's not that the other thread wasn't opened. I said from the start to make a new one.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Deagonx wants to revisit that alongside the speed thread (since both depend on the universes bring infinite), so yeh

I'd suggest follow on standard procedure and waiting. And once again, it's not that the other thread wasn't opened. I said from the start to make a new one.

So infinite db universe is being revisited with a new crt?

Well Planack said it was straightforward enough to apply after the 48 hours but we didn’t have a blog at that point

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

So infinite db universe is being revisited with a new crt?

Seems like it.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

So infinite db universe is being revisited with a new crt?

With infinite speed

 

[Quasar002]

I see infinite speed for db super has many counterpoints. but what about toeiverse? Or will this be discussed in another thread?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I see infinite speed for db super has many counterpoints. but what about toeiverse? Or will this be discussed in another thread?

Apparently we have to wait for a redo infinite db universe crt before applying infinite AP for toeiverse

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I see infinite speed for db super has many counterpoints. but what about toeiverse? Or will this be discussed in another thread?

Correct.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I see infinite speed for db super has many counterpoints. but what about toeiverse? Or will this be discussed in another thread?

Both will be discussed when blog of fire finish

 

[Quasar002]

Apparently we have to wait for a redo infinite db universe crt before applying infinite AP for toeiverse

Right. I think toeiverse is more likely to receive a speed upgrade than super. But I will wait.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Why do we need to revisit the infinite universe

Every bit of information on that topic was gone over in that thread and there were even second translation checks near the end and they were in fact accurate, with everything pointing towards the universe being infinite in size