Madness Combat REALLY BIG CRT cuz i have nothing better to do

[Comiphorous]

So, i think i got everyone who gets affected by this, and if we do the baseline 8-B and likely High 8-C+ thing (which i think would be based as ****) it'd be-

Spoiler: High tiers (baseline 8-B shmucks)

Mag Hank, Deity Tricky, The Auditor (Second key) and Mag Agents (Advanced Mags and up)

Spoiler: Mid Tiers (High 8-C+ shmucks)

Hank (Base), Tricky (demon and base), Jesus, The Auditor (First key), Mag Torture (only because he scales to hank), second key deimos and Dedmos, Sanford (second key)

then the rest are basically fodder or early versions of characters or they're sheriff and 2BDammed. of course it'd be likely and possibly, but 8-B madness is based.

 

[Psychomaster35]

I guess all we need now is more staff input to apply the new tiering along with the new abilities

 

[Antvasima]

@CrimsonStarFallen @Dark-Carioca @Tllmbrg @Mr._Bambu @Moritzva

Would you be willing to help out here please?

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Can I get a summary of what conclusions we have reached?

 

[Comiphorous]

Can I get a summary of what conclusions we have reached?

lot of abilities need to be added/removed from profiles, AP and speed for almost everyone in the verse needs to be updated.

 

[The_Pink_God]

Shouldn't the Speed be calculated, according to some people the characters were able to dodge lasers or smth

 

[Dark-Carioca]

I don't remember lasers at any point in the series, unless that's a recent thing

 

[The_Pink_God]

Madness Project Nexus IIRC

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Ah the games, that makes more sense

 

[Psychomaster35]

Is there any proof those lasers legit lightspeed?

 

[TUHTPeaSkull12]

playing most of it is technological and seems to be heat based, and I think they are linear, but I have to play the story mode to confirm this, as I only played the arena mode.

 

[Moritzva]

Finally, a CRT I can actually contribute to.

Empowerment scan doesn't work.

Bullet-time changes seem mostly fine given the scans.

Willpower and Plot Manip doesn't work, but I definitely disagree with plot manipulation.

Okay, a large number of these scans aren't working for me. Before I continue, I have to ask, is that a 'me' problem?

 

[Comiphorous]

Finally, a CRT I can actually contribute to.

Empowerment scan doesn't work.

Bullet-time changes seem mostly fine given the scans.

Willpower and Plot Manip doesn't work, but I definitely disagree with plot manipulation.

Okay, a large number of these scans aren't working for me. Before I continue, I have to ask, is that a 'me' problem?

yeah not sure why a lot of them aren't working

 

[Thelastmlg]

Technically, some verses such as Ed, Edd, and Eddy and Rock Hard Gladiators have accepted both ends within the calcs, and often put it up as either varies or likely/possibly

Yeah, that's what i mean't, the way it was worded seemed like we were scaling the stronger ones to the high end despite only accepting the low end

 

[Psychomaster35]

The low end was the preferred end of the person who evaluated it, but otherwise said either end can work. Unless you would say the high tier keys to be:

8-C, likely 8-B

And the mid tiers are:

8-C, likely High 8-C+

 

[ZeedKZ]

For those that cannot access the scans, it is because Curious Cat has changed their URL, in the links it is still the "curiouscat.qa". Instead you should use "curiouscat.live" to see the content.

 

[Thelastmlg]

The low end was the preferred end of the person who evaluated it, but otherwise said either end can work. Unless you would say the high tier keys to be:

8-C, likely 8-B

And the mid tiers are:

8-C, likely High 8-C+

I think you misunderstand, the way it was worded made me read it as, who perfomed it and those that scale would go for the low end and the stronger ones would use the high end for some reason.

As in, jebus would be 8-C and tricky would be 8-B despite jebus perfoming the feat, it was just misnterpretation

 

[Thelastmlg]

Finally, a CRT I can actually contribute to.

Empowerment scan doesn't work.

Bullet-time changes seem mostly fine given the scans.

Willpower and Plot Manip doesn't work, but I definitely disagree with plot manipulation.

Okay, a large number of these scans aren't working for me. Before I continue, I have to ask, is that a 'me' problem?

OH BOY, finally A CRT I CAN HELP WITH-

scans broken

 

[Comiphorous]

The low end was the preferred end of the person who evaluated it, but otherwise said either end can work. Unless you would say the high tier keys to be:

8-C, likely 8-B

And the mid tiers are:

8-C, likely High 8-C+

honestly, i've always wanted people like deity tricky and the auditor with the drive to have a clear advantage over their verse.

rn you could unironically make a Deimos vs Auditor match just going off of AP. which shouldn't the case. the auditor should outclass people like deimos up until people like Deity tricky/Mag Hank/His advanced Mags, who were shown to be relatively comparable to himself or stronger than him

idk. a pet peeve I've had with the madness verse.

 

[Antvasima]

What Moritzva accepted above can probably be applied.

 

[The_Pink_God]

About the scans not working, it's because Curious Cat is currently undergoing maintenance

 

[ZeedKZ]

It isn't on maintenance, it is working fine to me, like I said above the issue is that their URL has changed from "curiouscat.qa" to "curiouscat.live", just replace to the new address.

 

[The_Pink_God]

Oh, ok then thanks

 

[Moritzva]

I'll check the above with the proper URL, then, to give a proper revision.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Moritzva]

Alright!

General

Hank already has Empowerment because of emotions. so if that isn't on other profiles, that should be there.

Bullet time, same as above, seems fine.

Plot armor is definitely not Plot Manipulation, it is described as higher stats and willpower, so willpower can be accepted but definitely not Plot Manipulation.

If the calc is approved then that can be approved. Same with the weapon speed.

Tricky could be given Possibly Genius, since in all fairness, he is slightly insane and I doubt we can confidently say he's still capable of applying his intellect in any meaningful form.

I disagree with all the resistances, they haven't been directly targeted in the first place. Jesus was given a disease, which if anything, shows that they aren't resistant.

Hank

MC11 Hank definitely gets more powerful as shown in MC11, what with The Auditor making him buff, so I think that deserves it's own key. That being said, I can agree with removing the first Hank key, as it's less evidently clear that he legitimately became more powerful.

I disagree with regeneration, that is clearly just a part of him being revived.

Immortality Negation... let's get back to that once we get to Tricky's section.

Driving a car doesn't mean mastery, so I disagree with that.

Ehhh... Do we count medical kits as healing? I suppose, but it's iffy to me imo. Depends on our standards for that.

Afterimage Creation seems redundant if we are already giving it based on Bullet Time.

Your example for Attack Reflection isn't Attack Reflection, that's just parrying an attack normally.

Hitting someone behind you feels more like skill than Instinctive Reactions.

Underground Mobility is a power..? Either way, I disagree, I imagine that was part of The Auditor's reality warping given the spikes were his doing.

He already resists Corruption for the reasons you mentioned, I suppose Morality Manipulation would apply if we agreed The Auditor has it though I somewhat doubt The Auditor's corruption really counts as that.

Who the hell added Intangibility to his page? That seems very wrong, yes. Flight should be Limited Flight, he can't really fly but he can float in the air iirc. Correct me if I am wrong.

Jebus

I would like to recall why Jebus got Immortality 4 and 8 again. Could someone check past threads? Maybe there was a Curiouscat thread on it or something. Regardless, I'd like to be diligent before removing something.

Electricity Manipulation is a given.

He doesn't have Telekinesis on his profile... because he does, actually. You missed it, lol.

I am inclined to believe that Invisibility was actually just Teleportation animated slowly, given he didn't actually do anything while invisible and no evidence existed that implied he was still around.

Both Forcefield Creation and Attack Reflection are, in fact, on the profile.

Homing Attack... your scan links to the beginning of a one hour video, please get the exact clip.

Deconstruction is definitely fine.

Tricky

Tricky already has flight.

I don't see any evidence that he really 'absorbed' The Auditor's powers, if anything he just gained Hell powers + The Halo.

Your Reactive Power Level scan doesn't bring speed up at all.

He has both Transformation and Resurrection already.

I've watched MC5 multiple times, I've seen no fourth wall breaking.

That clip you just used for Dimensional Storage both isn't canon and can be explained by many other means anyways.

He should have Underground Mobility but for different reasons, such as MC5, not a non-canon clip.

I generally agree with your Improbability Drive additions, though I feel making whales rain is Creation more than anything, as it's effectively just falling whales.

Already being insane tends to not give a resistance to Madness Manipulation, typically. If I recall. If I'm wrong, correct me.

I don't see the correlation in your scan for BFR and Soul Manipulation.

Absorption, sure, that's already the stated reason.

Demon Tricky

Deconstruction seems fine, as does size manipulation.

Expurgation Tricky

Avatar Creation seems redundant with the Cloning he... doesn't have, huh. Well, give him Avatar Creation, then. Outside of that, nothing you really added was notable - the summons all didn't have The Halo, which was very clearly the notable fact here. Unless we get some evidence from Krinkles somehow, I doubt we are going to figure out what let Hank kill Tricky at the end (as "violence" is quite vague), so I also disagree with Hank getting any powers for killing Tricky.

I am alright with removing Information Analysis. Otherwise, the rest of the Tricky revisions seem based in assumption imo.

Sanford

The key removal seems fair.

Not enough evidence for NPI.

I need a proper scan for Dissonant Reality Weapons, you linked to the start of the video.

Deimos

I... Sure, Fire Manipulation.

I disagree with Stealth Manipulation, that's just turning a corner.

That seems like Information Analysis, I guess, in an absence of powers that simply give information about your surroundings.

I need a proper scan for Dissonant Reality Weapons, you linked to the start of the video.

Lmao - Okay, I need actual evidence that smoking is death manipulation rather than simply remarkably bad luck and a running gag.

Dedmos

Disagree with Non-Corp for the same reasons as above.

I suppose Type 7 works.

Not enough evidence for Adaptation or Passive Power Mimicry.

Instinctive Reaction can just be said to be skill.

The Auditor

Same as with Tricky on The Improbability Drive, seems fine.

I forget why those three abilities are there, I suppose removing them is fine unless someone can remember what the justification was.

I'd give neither Abstract Ex. or Imm. 9 given he has exhibited neither of the two abilities.

He has Elemental Intangibility.

Inorganic Physiology seems fine.

He has Weapon Creation.

Wait, so you think he is Non-Corporeal because he can phase through attacks via fire and smoke, but that he doesn't have Elemental Intangibility for phasing through attacks via fire and smoke?

Does have Corruption, iffy on Morality Manip.

Seems like Elemental Intangibility rather than Mid-High Regen.

He did revive the dead in Madness Combat 10.

Conclusion

Aaand that's it! That's too long for me to bother making a TLDR for, just read it, you lazy butt.

 

[Moritzva]

Ah, I do remember the source of Time Stop, being from MC11 and when he supposedly stopped time to give Hank his weapons and Violence.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the evaluations, Moritzva.

What she accepted can probably be applied.

 

[Comiphorous]

I disagree with all the resistances, they haven't been directly targeted in the first place. Jesus was given a disease, which if anything, shows that they aren't resistant.

Jebus has constantly contracted a lot of shit, from never being resurrected by the higher powers to being affected by the drive despite the fact that NOBODY else in the series who should have were.

if anything, everyone BUT HIM should get it as they haven't been affected by it despite everything.

I don't see any evidence that he really 'absorbed' The Auditor's powers, if anything he just gained Hell powers + The Halo.

Getting hell's powers is getting Auditor's powers. Auditor is quite literally hell, and an avatar/gateway to said hell he is.

i'll get back to the rest of it, im tired.

 

[Moritzva]

Jebus has constantly contracted a lot of shit, from never being resurrected by the higher powers to being affected by the drive despite the fact that NOBODY else in the series who should have were.

if anything, everyone BUT HIM should get it as they haven't been affected by it despite everything.

Getting hell's powers is getting Auditor's powers. Auditor is quite literally hell, and an avatar/gateway to said hell he is.

i'll get back to the rest of it, im tired.

The Halo is clearly the important part of the equation. I don't see any evidence that Tricky absorbed The Auditor, but rather, that The Auditor absorbed Tricky and died from it, and unknown forces and reasons plus The Halo made MC11 happen. It is one of those "Krinkles could explain but otherwise we don't know" situations.

And I still disagree with resistances as we've never seen them resist anything. They just haven't been directly targeted, which makes sense, as most of the effects are very loose and have bad accuracy.

 

[Comiphorous]

The Halo is clearly the important part of the equation. I don't see any evidence that Tricky absorbed The Auditor, but rather, that The Auditor absorbed Tricky and died from it, and unknown forces and reasons plus The Halo made MC11 happen. It is one of those "Krinkles could explain but otherwise we don't know" situations.

he never died from it. he was 'inverted' from absorbing tricky.

 

[Moritzva]

I am aware, I saw that screenshot a long time ago. That doesn't change my point.

 

[Comiphorous]

I am aware, I saw that screenshot a long time ago. That doesn't change my point.

tricky inverted auditor, attained control over hell (which is the auditor), and later gets killed because of 'violence was acquired' (which, i'll agree is a bit vague). if he hadn't absorbed the auditor to get control over hell how in god's name would have he done that? lets say he didn't absorb auditor for his powers, and auditor was inverted and injured, and then got his dimension stolen from him somehow? doesn't make much sense.

 

[Moritzva]

tricky inverted auditor, attained control over hell (which is the auditor), and later gets killed because of 'violence was acquired' (which, i'll agree is a bit vague). if he hadn't absorbed the auditor to get control over hell how in god's name would have he done that? lets say he didn't absorb auditor for his powers, and auditor was inverted and injured, and then got his dimension stolen from him somehow? doesn't make much sense.

All of the above is rather vague, and doesn't really give us room to give powers such as absorption.

 

[Antvasima]

So what has been accepted and what has been rejected here so far?

 

[Comiphorous]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

So what has been accepted and what has been rejected here so far?

 

[Comiphorous]

So what has been accepted and what has been rejected here so far?

stuff thats been rejected; most of the resistances, scans need to be fixed since some just link you to the beginning of a video, a few abilities like the instinctive reactions

stuff that has been accepted; basically everything else lol.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. What has been accepted can probably be applied then, as long as any staff members were involved.

 

[Comiphorous]

So, i think i got everyone who gets affected by this, and if we do the upscaling to baseline 8-B and likely High 8-C+ thing (which i think would be based as ****) it'd be-

Spoiler: High tiers (baseline 8-B shmucks)

Mag Hank, Deity Tricky, The Auditor (Second key) and Mag Agents (Advanced Mags and up)

Spoiler: Mid Tiers (High 8-C+ shmucks)

Hank (Base), Tricky (demon and base), Jesus, The Auditor (First key), Mag Torture (only because he scales to hank), second key deimos and Dedmos, Sanford (second key)

then the rest are basically fodder or early versions of characters or they're sheriff and 2BDammed. of course it'd be likely and possibly, but 8-B madness is based.

was this ever accepted?