I definitely wouldn't say speed, Meepo can double his with haste and I wouldn't assume that Euben's amps can bridge that just by covering a blitz or whatever. As for AP, that is fair enough but Meepo upscales a lot from his own value so it isn't a massive gap, and his damage reduction means that both will have to score plenty of hits to win.
Meepo resists the Statistics Reduction, so the bombs aren't really a factor. Skill is nice but Meepo mainly engages at range and has ways to straight up render dodging an impossibility (mainly Magic Missile, which homes in to the point of being undodgeable) so I wouldn't consider it a huge wincon on its own. But if you're interested I can share skill feats that Meepo would upscale from.
Can Meepo stack haste so it becomes more than 2x? Say 4x or 8x? If not, then Euben's amp is considerable enough to become a problem as it will only continue from the initial blitz increase to the point Meepo won't be able to land hits. And kinda the same with ap, Euben being 6.24mt and increasing from then on, it won't be hard for Euben to land several stronger hits at once before Meepo does.
In what way does he resist stat reduct? The bombs aren't literal bombs but more so small like devices planted into the body and during combat will activate to hinder one's movements. Euben can just cover the gap in range honestly, he's superior to Gunji who ran hundreds of meters in a few seconds. Also looking at the description for magic missile, it deals light damage, Euben can just position his sword to cut it in half like he did so to Akira's arrow. Yeah I would like to see his skill feats.
He can't but you definitely can't assume an amp gets that massive without a stated multiplier, especially in the face of something that does have a multiplier. Eduben is slower so he isn't allowed to blitz Meepo anyways via speed equal rules anyways.
He can't get any higher than that actually, as that'd be out of Low 7-B.
Hinder them how?
Speed equal though?
I think it'd just phase through that, it does ignore armor. Even if it didn't it's a bunch of attacks so that's not very viable.
Keep in mind that Meepo is CR 16, so above anyone listed here (and in particular embarrassingly above people of low CR). Do note however that everything listed isn't something that one single character can all do, especially low levels (Though a character of a high enough level could amass together a lot of this)- Also some of the things listed like Inferno Blade are... a little goofy, but they are in-verse achieved through skill, not magic, I wouldn't take them 100% at face value but I did want to list them anyways.
Not assuming, it's more about the quality of speed, while you have a 2x stated speed amp, I have a blitz difference speed amp that continuously grows in combat. At the very least, Meepo will almost never land any hits due to Euben always having greater speed.
Same with as I said above, though Meepo's damage reduction counters this.
Say Meepo is going in for a punch or tries moving while using haste, the bombs will activate and pierce from within his body messing with his movements. In one example Shino attempted to attack Euben and a bomb activated, hinder his movement and allowed Euben to attack in that moment.
Feel like I'm understanding less and less on what equal speed means. Are the characters reduced to normal human speed or something? Both our characters are above the speed feat I'm bringing up here, idk why this feat would be ignored in the fight.
It phases through cuz its magic I'm assuming? And how many attacks is it?
Some of the list sounds like skills/abilities specifically for a certain group, so what in the list can Meepo do?
You can't really assume there's no limit to that though, and you can't really assume a "blitz" is bigger than 2x.
I see. Then no he doesn't resist that, though damage reduction might lessen the effect. (He's definitely not going to punch unless he has to though)
Well it's just, if they're comparable to one another he can't really cross a huge distance in a timeframe that Meepo can't react to.
Bit of a complicated answer, basically it's three darts at base level but it can be cast with a higher spell slot (basically think of them as "points" Meepo can expend to cast a spell of a specific strength) to add more darts to it, for a max total of 5 darts in Meepo's case.
None of those actually, I'm just listing them for scaling because he is more skilled than any of that.
Meepo in this key is actually CR 19
Oh I am not arguing for Meepo being unable to react with this, it's simply to address the range Meepo would fight at, he's got dozens of meters listed, Euben could just cover that is all.
Not sure what else he can do here besides just keep trying to evade them, once he tries cutting one and he can't he'll opt to evading but since they'll phase through all his ice I don't really see much more he can do here. Will they go through his body or only the armor?
Only the armor, they're guaranteed damage essentially but they don't duraneg, they're actually on the weaker end of spells to balance for that.
Oh yeah, I always forget
Depends on what they mean by "blitz". Keep in mind that wikiwise, that's 7x, going off the gap between a normal person and Subsonic, which is impossible to react to
That said, their accelerated development doesn't really seem to say that they just always increase in power forever, just that they aren't bound by human limitations for how strong they can get. Given that the Regen is also overtime, it's not like you could suggest that they can just repeatedly overload themselves until they break only to regenerate stronger.
Yeah it's not completely explained in Euben's page but you can check Shino Hinomoto's page, Euben's accel scales to him as they fought and Euben continuously kept up with Shino even though Shino is able to develop in mere moments against people who were previously faster and stronger than him.
Even in the instance of a blitz, magic missile would hit, though. Not to mention, again, Meepo's range advantage and tendency to abuse it.
You really aught to post at least some evidence of this, I've had plenty of experience with the word "blitz" being used rather liberally
The blitz is on Shino's page in accel development but here
The only thing here that's actually substantiated by the page is the accelerated development point, and even that seems iffy given he explicitly feels the need to limit his opponent's movements via time bombs, which doesn't really paint a picture that he's capable of just maintaining the same speed like you suggest. That kind of accelerated development also inherently requires a superior opponent to respond to, it's not like Shiro just stood around and blitzed the guy immediately, he needed to be outsped first and adapted to that. As we've established, Meepo is evening the odds with haste, not gaining an outright advantage.
Because it means their speeds are... Equal. If he can move hundreds of meters in a brief timeframe, Meepo will be able to do so as well, especially via Flight. It's not perfect since he has the speed advantage when he transforms, but SBA range means he'll have a headstart and he can maintain that distance by simply going above the ground, since his opponent lacks flight.
Flight is fine, if that's the counter used. I'm not arguing for Meepo being unable to react here, I'm referring to us ignoring a travel speed feat in equal speed matches. If two characters can fly at the speed of sound and but their combat speed is hypersonic, in an equal speed match is their flight speed just thrown out?
Yeah that's not viable given Meepo's range advantage. Euben's main way of winning is hitting meanwhile Meepo can outrange for hours on end, and Euben's Re-Baking won't last last long with the damage he'll take.
Meepo's range advantage for the vast majority of his abilities isn't large enough to make it impossible to hit, Meepo isn't like info-analyzing the exact perfect range to stay at and remaining that exact distance no matter where Euben moves. We're not in a superflat Minecraft world, there are changes in elevation about even aside from this fact. I don't see how this could be a stomp.
You guys brought up how Meepo can fly, that is a direct counter to any of Euben's wincons as well. You guys also brought up the magic missile being something used at range, and that he can fire five of them, undodgeable attacks, able to fire 5, Euben can't block or dodge it. How is this not a stomp? And if they are fired at closer range it also still makes the match a stomp. Not to mention but Armor also brought up Meepo's skill in combat which Euben seems to be below as well, so even in close combat Euben wouldn't have a chance.
