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Legend of Zelda General Discussion Thread
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Who is Riju.
Who is Zelda.
Who is Ganondorf of all *******.
And Link with a Secret Stone unironically wouldn't have done shit to beat Ganon, what they do is merely roid out what's there, Link initially was weak as **** and in some cases comparable to the Sages like Yunobo, who even with a Secret Stone, gets mopped up by Oni Ganon casually, aka a Link comparable to the Sages being amped by the same degree, would still get blown out by the dude who folded all in one attack.
What Link needed was the Master Sword, roided out for eons by Holy Magic that in itself was ALSO magnified by a Secret Stone to merely have the chance to beat Ganon.
Who is Zelda.
Who is Ganondorf of all *******.
No? They work together. Without their aid, he wouldn't have been able to beat ANY dungeon.
And Link with a Secret Stone unironically wouldn't have done shit to beat Ganon, what they do is merely roid out what's there, Link initially was weak as **** and in some cases comparable to the Sages like Yunobo, who even with a Secret Stone, gets mopped up by Oni Ganon casually, aka a Link comparable to the Sages being amped by the same degree, would still get blown out by the dude who folded all in one attack.
What Link needed was the Master Sword, roided out for eons by Holy Magic that in itself was ALSO magnified by a Secret Stone to merely have the chance to beat Ganon.
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Link is leaps and bounds stronger than any of them, Yunobo included, even without a Secret Stone. His armor is already so strong he can tank hits from the same Ganondorf that swatted away the Sages.
Even Riju’s main ability (which isn’t boosted by a Secret Stone), is just to call down a bolt of natural lightning, which of course moves faster than the Sages can track. She’s only notable because the Gibdos just so happened to be weak to electricity. And fire.
Even Riju’s main ability (which isn’t boosted by a Secret Stone), is just to call down a bolt of natural lightning, which of course moves faster than the Sages can track. She’s only notable because the Gibdos just so happened to be weak to electricity. And fire.
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Yeah, because he had the Master Sword by that point. He's not far stronger than them with his natural strength so if he just grabbed the secret stone during the Wind temple instead of giving it to Tulin and then booked it to Ganondorf he would've been stomped like he was during their initial meeting.
What do you mean her ability isn't boosted by her stone? The whole point is the secret stones roid out the wearers abilities but you're claiming Rijus just, what, wasn't working when she used it. Was it's battery depleted? Also I like the little sneak you tried with trying to make the Sages speed lower than what it is, they keep with Link and bosses almost as fast as he is they are Relativistic.
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NoThey are boosted by the Secret Stones. The whole thing about the stones is that they boost your powers tremendously. And Riju's main power is shooting lightning
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Yeah the Master Sword isn not the only thing capable of hurting him but it's the only thing capable of doing any meaningful damage, and good thing Link didn't need both since the Master Sword roided out on 10,000+ of holy energy was enough for him to win one on one.
What is your reasoning for the Rijus powers not being amped, like how did you come to the conclusion that the magic god stone that massively amplifies the users powers and abilities, doesn't actually do anything at all? Do you think the stone are just placebo or something?
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Yeah with the Master Sword, without it, they're comparable, which then proceed to read what I said again.
And water, and everything you didn't try. Also that isn't even true, the lightning explicitly gets roided out. It's cloud-to-ground lightning, but it ISN'T completely natural (Did you never question why you could use that shit in ******* doors?).
I'd argue it actually was from a canonical standpoint given how often they basically say it's the only thing that would even give Link a chance, and the fact he NEEDS that thing to actually get the power boost that would enable him to contend with Ganon in the first place. No different than beating Majora with Deku Link, but in lore the latter literally can't do a ******* thing even if the former stood there for a year. Like yeah, you could beat Ganon with 90 mops, but that's just a case of gameplay and lore not adding up.
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I didn’t say Riju’s powers weren’t amped, I said her lightning bolts aren’t specifically.
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?????
Her lightning bolts are part of her powers, like do you think she has a little device that summons the lightning for her when she pushes the button or something?
Her lightning bolts are part of her powers, like do you think she has a little device that summons the lightning for her when she pushes the button or something?
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Her power is summoning lightning
like is not even normal lightning, this is some weird goofy magic lightning that can be summoned in doors and break metal and rocks with ease
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Maybe through Yunobo’s Power of Fire, like when he rolls, but without it most of Link’s weapons scale above him.
What weaknesses he has isn’t the point other than elecricity, just pointing out she isn’t one of the frontline leaders of the verse in anything. Where is it explicit? The damage, while huge, doesn’t change.
The only reason he needs that is because it’s the only source of holy power the good guys have, which is how they were banking on beating him. The lore doesn’t say Link was fodder to Majora’s Mask, it says he turned into the Fierce Deity and beat him.
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You should be telling that to the devs and not me.
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Natural lightning can break metal and rocks too.Her power is summoning lightning
like is not even normal lightning, this is some weird goofy magic lightning that can be summoned in doors and break metal and rocks with ease
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What? No actually what?
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Can lightning in real life effortlessly shatter boulders and metal boxes?
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3rd law.
Man did you even PLAY the game? I'm convinced you just skipped the dialogue...
It doesn't change, NONE of them do, despite the fact we're told in lore it does. Like it's he kind of dumb if you got yunobo, beat the fire temple, and then suddenly that same attack is 29,000,000,000,000,000x stronger and obliterates the whole game like it would in canon.
Actually, it does. There's lore saying the only hope Link has against Majora was the FD Mask. In fact, it was pretty ******* savage about it too.
(Older than HH as well, meaning FD being canon has been confirmed far longer than just 2012).
Y'all don't know how deep I've dug for MM, I've got ******* Japanese archived adds and pamphlets ffs
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Literally just said it could
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What is "3rd law"?
Show me where it said her lightning got stronger. Also, that is a MAJOR glaring antifeat, like a Grand Canyon-sized hole in your narrative of Secret Stones being OP turbo broken. Like literally Tulin getting the Great Eagle Bow was treated as a bigger powerup than the Secret Stone.
Bragging about what you've dug for doesn't prove anything.Actually, it does. There's lore saying the only hope Link has against Majora was the FD Mask. In fact, it was pretty ***** savage about it too.
(Older than HH as well, meaning FD being canon has been confirmed far longer than just 2012).
Y'all don't know how deep I've dug for MM, I've got ***** Japanese archived adds and pamphlets ffs
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You 1. Don't know what an antifeat is. 2. Don't know anything about the game's basic plot if you're actually arguing that. 3. That isn't even true, the bow has sentimental value and was important at the time. In terms of actual power ups the secret stone is utterly ******* incomparable to ANYTHING, for ANY of the sages.
That wasn't bragging, it was me saying you were ignorant and should probably stop saying things as fact when you evidently don't know the whole situation.
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Tylo man you are the embodiment of missing everything and cooking nothing
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The basic plot and general cutscenes and statements isn't reading into things to deep my dude...
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did you have your ears plugged and eyes closed?
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Can't believe big dumbo idiot Ganondorf wasted his time trying to obtain a secret stone when it didn't even boost his power at all smh
For real tho I have no idea how you can see all those statements about how the stones greatly amplify the users power, see stuff like Ganondorf becoming super roided out by his stone, and come to the conclusion that no all of that is a lie the stones don't work. The Zonai and their gods are massive scammers who tricked people into thinking the stories to anything.
For real tho I have no idea how you can see all those statements about how the stones greatly amplify the users power, see stuff like Ganondorf becoming super roided out by his stone, and come to the conclusion that no all of that is a lie the stones don't work. The Zonai and their gods are massive scammers who tricked people into thinking the stories to anything.
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Can someone help me decide what AP values should go for the different enemy ranks? Like what AP we should scale the low-end ones who are one-shot by bombs?
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Think for low level mooks like that we're going with wall level
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Well if someone can get the feat of bokos breaking those steel boxes we can probably get 9-A
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"He should've spent his time getting the Great Eagle Bow smh"
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There's no reason not to make profiles for them provided the profiles are up to standard, haven't played the game since it's released so can't remember what their ratings would be.
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The only difference between Link and Zelda and Shadow Link and Shadow Zelda is "Shadow Spin Attack", "Shadow Din's Fire", and "Shadow Nayru's Love".
Lucky for you and I, I just finished a profile for the Link.
Lucky for you and I, I just finished a profile for the Link.
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you need calcs for those ratings and actual scans and references so that profile is far from complete
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WTF I completely forgot this game existed. How'd you like the game?
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Solid start, like Dale said gotta get some calcs for those ratings and some scans but overall solid for the initial start. Wouldn't list him being unable to properly use rapiers or shovels as weapons as a weakness as those would just be things he just doesn't have skill with in combat, would be like listing "Not good at boxing" for characters as a weakness.
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