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Disagree for same reasons as in the discussion thread everything else seems fine.
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I like how we can use this to sharpen our Resistance page in another thread (that I'll make later). I believe that saying that a power can be resisted via [something seemingly ordinary, like willpower or more power than the attacker] makes it a solid weakness to the power, and that explaining it in a different perspective, as an individual having somehow achieved this, is not the same, since what and how they achieved it can be as superhuman as a resistance is. And that it's easier to assume the latter rather than built into the mechanics of the power. You don't for example see someone resist a power with nothing stated, and apply their individual qualities as to what the power will always fail to affect, it was a "they" feat for that individual.
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I disagree he resisted because of willpower which in most instances is not enough which implies a weakness with the power itself.
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I've made a calc for LS
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need someone to accept it
Kirby eats a big ol' metal dude
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...enture:_Nightmare_Destroys_a_Part_of_the_Moon
It says both methods can be used, so we still stick to High 6-A while we also use 5-C.
It says both methods can be used, so we still stick to High 6-A while we also use 5-C.
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why? The explosion is legitimate, there's no reason not to scale kirby directly to 5-C.
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Obviously, High 6-A is already the stat we use at that time, one of the methods gives High 6-A, both methods can be used rather than the higher one being the only correct one, so Kirby at the time was "High 6-A, likely 5-C", which would have been the case if there wasn't a High 6-A planet-punching feat.
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Both methods coexist in the above calculation, which means the higher result is the one that's used, they're not two different ends.
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That is all true, but I don't believe it affects the 5-C results. Honestly, I've never seen that formula before, might come in handy for a couple of my verses.
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does the fact that the explosion is way smaller in the remake affect it?
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NiDL would probably take precedence, yes. Although I think the Moon in most Kirby games, even ones that came after NiDL, resembles the one in Adventure more, so who knows.
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It really doesn't matter when you need to look up millimeters of difference in scene that wasn't modified in actions but redone in other models/sprites. As something minor the og game is also the one that got the more recent ports with minor modifications, so under what logic woud the remake take priority?
Idk about that, but it is confirmed here that the moon seen in the opening cut-scene of Triple Deluxe is that pierced moon in the battle with Nightmare.
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well, i guess considering the size of the hole in the moon it should be ok to take the explosion in KA instead of KNiD since it is a far more accurate representation.
So overall we would now scale
Fodder to 6-A
Kirby and final bosses to 5-C
I guess i'll try to figure out one of the 5-A feats i mentioned above a bit later since i just started school again and now i've already sth to do.
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vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Fecto_Forgo
Fecto's profile is done and made. The time for criticism and comments is as good as any (It was already being made in the sandbox).
Fecto's profile is done and made. The time for criticism and comments is as good as any (It was already being made in the sandbox).
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Seems fine just want to note maybe Weapon Control for it's attempt to stop dome mouth kirby.
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Also why is striking strength and durability only multi solar system level not galaxy level.
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I actually made a makeshift Fecto Elfilis profile on my own sandbox, so to see Fecto Forgo's profile made is a surprise to me.
I think Fecto Forgo has a ton of room to add higher scaling, as he does a lot of absorbing people's powers into his own, making for some great additive scaling (like Fecto Elfilis being Elfilin's power + Fecto Forgo's power + Leongar's power due to Fecto Forgo having absorbed the power of Leongar and members of the Beast Pack beforehand)
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Fixed.
Didn't know we had that power, it seems unneeded. It says it only applies to weapons in the limitation, with Fecto showing TK that has no reason to be the case, the ability page should better clarify this.
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Sorry if you wanted to make it, I talked about that sandbox being updated over time in this thread and in some Kirby discussion thread.
Well, kinda. Chaos Elfilis directly has Morpho Knight's red tornados, but this doesn't necessarily mean Fecto always gets to have all the powers and abilities of their victims. In any case, they already have everything Elfilin has, everything Leongar has (he's pretty much powerless), and the butterfly absorbed them rather than the other way, with Fecto somehow getting away with getting stuff from him, and with him being now destroyed and not in their body.
It already has that, I went with tentacles and didn't think of the other.
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It's all good, my profile was radically different anyways. Yours has many more abilities I missed, and mine has Chaos Elfilis at Galaxy level+ which I'll explain next.
I didn't necessarily mean abilities more than I meant actual power. For instance, Fecto Elfilis is Elfilin's power (which should be the same 3-C, likely 2-C as Fecto Forgo) + Fecto Forgo's power (which is 3-C, likely 2-C) + Leongar (who is also 3-C, likely 2-C). I'm saying they add together, and since they're all comparable to the same AP value, the resulting Fecto Elfilis (as a combination of those 3 plus members of the Beast Pack) would essentially end up 3x stronger than any single one of them.
Compounding this is the fact that Kirby is able to defeat Leongar, then defeat Fecto Forgo and still fight Fecto Elfilis just fine. I know how much health Kirby has going into that fight is a Game Mechanics thing, but story-wise, the point is that Kirby can defeat those two foes who would be noticeably weaker than Fecto Elfilis and then fight Fecto Elfilis himself.
My draft of Chaos Elfilis has him 7x stronger than original 3-C, likely 2-C value due to what it is an amalgamation of: Morpho Knight, Soul Forgo (both of whom can fight and damage Kirby who had recently defeated Fecto Elfilis, who is 3x stronger than the original 3-C, likely 2-C value), Leongar, and other random members of the Beast Pack.
I thought this made sense, and I was actually gonna send you a message asking you about this but as it turned out, the Fecto Forgo profile already happened.
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How did I miss that that's one of the powers I actively looked for.
In Ultimate Cup Z they recreated
Forgo Leon, Morpho Knight which is somewhat noteworthy given it's soul was inside them last time it might also have merit key listening powers for creations but they could also just be listed as equipment in some form and linked once profiles are made probably the better choice.
In Ultimate Cup Z they recreated
Forgo Leon, Morpho Knight which is somewhat noteworthy given it's soul was inside them last time it might also have merit key listening powers for creations but they could also just be listed as equipment in some form and linked once profiles are made probably the better choice.
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I 100% believe Morpho Knight being in that cup are game mechanics(-ish, something like that), re-doing those battles and the last one is explained but Morpho Knight isn't, it's simply having to fight a prior boss in a boss rush, not meant to mean anything, just to make his his fight appear twice.
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Reasonable but it wouldn't be impossible for Forgo to remember morpho knight as I understand and Forgo did absorb their power this wouldn't be the first time morpho knight's power was revealed to be stronger than base. What about Forgo Leon are they fair game.
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No evidence supports both minds are active.
Soul doesn't have any powers that are clearly unique and mutated forgo doesn't seem to be relent on those it absorbed for power much and chaos is just odd.
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Well,
- Idk if Elfilin was on Kirby's level before de-fusing from Fecto Elfilis. I would think that if Soul Fecto can gain power from being absorbed by the butterfly then maybe Elfilin could gain power from being absorbed too?
- They definitely grow in power by consuming others, but I would prefer to keep the amount vague, we don't know if 100% of the power of the victims is gained. I often see people in the wiki lately assuming things like this give 100% the tier of whoever gives power but that's not always correct w/o further evidence. In real life something consumed doesn't give as much power as the thing consumed, and using something to give oneself energy may not mean give oneself a perfectly sum of one's own power + 100% of the thing's power.
- Also I have this stating that Elfilin's ability to make portals isn't as good as Fecto Elfilis, which idk if it takes place after Chaos Elfilis was defeated or not (I think they may as well have kept that statement forever after the main story), so this can take some value out of the ability to absorb others to gain power & abilities.
They did absorb their power (or something), and I can believe if they make a Phantom Morpho Knight, but this was the real thing. Same with Forgo Leon, they threw him in because they can dare to use the same fight twice, also he's Leon being possessed by Soul Forgo, we would need to say that they made a clone of themselves or that they didn't regen'd as Chaos Elfilis yet (and their soul looks like in their first form). It's a mess.
@Arceus0x What Lou change said. Elaborated answers to that would be more elaborated than your proposals, which is off.
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I'm not exactly sure why absorbing wouldn't be a full additive process, especially for a character like Fecto Forgo who clearly shows that it assimilates the power of those it absorbs into its own power. That is a pretty blatant additive process in my opinion.
Also, I don't think applying real life to a world where a 20 cm pink ball of concentrated genocide inhales things several times its size is the most logically sound thing. I understand reality should still be a factor, but still. Plus, the bit about Elfilin does further support this as Elfilin's portal ability would essentially be added to Fecto Forgo's to create Fecto Elfilis' superior ability.
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Fair however I do have one admit odd thought you see the cutscene after morpho knight's fight in Ultimate cup Z still has Forgo leave the body and Chaos Elfilis arrives after kirby to the final fighting area so perhaps they transformed back into morpho knight it is also possible that somehow the memories are more accurate but this is speculation it is rather unclear after all.
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@Eficiente Also, if you don't mind, I'd like you to see my profile for Fecto Elfilis. I'm mainly concerned about the AP tiers in terms of what I wanted your thoughts on, as that's relevant to what I'm discussing with you here.
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"Some dude" I'm hurt that you don't remember your boi DragonGamerZ913
On another note, I remember the OP saying to possibly calc the golden fish in Forgotten Land for LS (for fun), but there's no point since the game displays its mass on screen. It's just 10 kg
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So THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE BEEN DAMNIT"Some dude" I'm hurt that you don't remember your boi DragonGamerZ913
On another note, I remember the OP saying to possibly calc the golden fish in Forgotten Land for LS (for fun), but there's no point since the game displays its mass on screen. It's just 10 kg
And here my dumb ass was wondering tf you went and you just changed your nickname and pfp and i never heard from you again
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