Kirby revisions: Everything coming full circle

[Eficiente]

Yes, that really matters as it scales to many characters. Aside from that there were other lesser things I don't even remember that I need to re-view the last parts of the thread to better list, but I would rather wait to add everything that was already accepted first before doing that, so I need this thread finished for it.

Tankirbmon had interest in the feat, but he's gone for a month. Either he will come back & maybe update his calc or we can also ask calc users & give them the info above.

 

[Tankirbmon]

@Tankirbmon Have there been any advances on the calc? You can also ask Calc members how would they do it.

sorry I've been busy and haven't been checking my notifs. Before I left though I made a rough calc by simplifying the crescent moon as a short cylinder/disk with a smaller cylinder/disk cut out of it. I planned on doing the Minecraft method you suggested but got distracted by life.

Kirby Super Star Ultra: Moon Kinetic Energy calc EX

vsbattles.fandom.com

it's under the same link as prior under the Disk Moon Calc title

In addition creating a replica of the moon in minecraft may be harder than anticipated since it's a fairly complex 3d shape and I'm no minecraft build expert

Edit: I also have a short scaling section at the end of the calc about who this calc scales to and why, is there anything I should change about it?

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, that really matters as it scales to many characters. Aside from that there were other lesser things I don't even remember that I need to re-view the last parts of the thread to better list, but I would rather wait to add everything that was already accepted first before doing that, so I need this thread finished for it.

Tankirbmon had interest in the feat, but he's gone for a month. Either he will come back & maybe update his calc or we can also ask calc users & give them the info above.

If you want help with calculating feats, I can ask calc group members for help after you specify what you need them to do exactly.

 

[Eficiente]

In addition creating a replica of the moon in minecraft may be harder than anticipated since it's a fairly complex 3d shape and I'm no minecraft build expert

Since you're into the idea; I have never done it before but I believe you can download structures already made by other people, so if you can find 1 of a giant sphere, you would only need to do so twice, once to take pics of every level of the whole sphere, and then shape the second like this Kirby moon & again take pics of its every level.

You can then place the pics in 2 albums in Imgur for us to see.

Edit: I also have a short scaling section at the end of the calc about who this calc scales to and why, is there anything I should change about it?

Well, Kirby already has a 5-A key right via scaling to something that harmed Nova, so everyone who is 5-A would scale to it. Aside from that it's ill advised to leave scaling in a calc as it can't be updated by others there or refined to say the same but better, so I'll have to tell you to please remove it.

 

[Eseseso]

I think the disc calc he made is ok but I'm not good with calcs like this.

 

[Eficiente]

See, when he pointed me out that we can better see that moon, I noticed that its shape is super weird; It spins on itself and lacks a lot of mass. I think it will end up having like 1/3 or 1/4 of the moon's mass.

 

[Eseseso]

See, when he pointed me out that we can better see that moon, I noticed that its shape is super weird; It spins on itself and lacks a lot of mass. I think it will end up having like 1/3 of the moon's mass.

We could always calc the sun instead, unless that one is also disc-shaped.

 

[Tankirbmon]

We could always calc the sun instead, unless that one is also disc-shaped.

The sun doesn't change angle (like mickey mouse's ears), so as far as we know it is spherical. If we were to go with the suns mass instead would it be best to use the density of the sun then use the volume of the moon to calculate the mass since the sun and the moon are the same size in game, or is there a better method?

There is no real sun that matches color and size that could directly reference.

 

[Eseseso]

@Tankirbmon Minor nitpick but you should probably use Popstar's size of 34,000 km in the calc to determine the sun/moon size and distance traveled.

 

[Tankirbmon]

@Tankirbmon Minor nitpick but you should probably use Popstar's size of 34,000 km in the calc to determine the sun/moon size and distance traveled.

I think I tried that before and it resulted in ftl numbers which I believe can't be used for kinetic energy. I'll try it again and see

Another reason I chose to use the moon's size as a measurement is because we don't know how far above popstar the sun and moon are when they're on the map. Which would change the distance traveled.

 

[Tankirbmon]

I think I tried that before and it resulted in ftl numbers which I believe can't be used for kinetic energy. I'll try it again and see

Another reason I chose to use the moon's size as a measurement is because we don't know how far above the popstar the sun and moon are when they're on the map. Which would change the distance traveled.

just checked, they traveled roughly 2 popstars in length in 0.13s which is 510,000,000m/s or 1.7c

so unless there's a way ftl speed to be validly used with kinetic energy using the moon as a measuring stick is the best option

 

[Eseseso]

@Eficiente What do you think?

 

[Eficiente]

Math isn't my area, I can only say that that sun is as small as the moon, or whichever pixelscaling gives, due to Popstar being weird and having many stars.

 

[Eseseso]

Um, for the 16 universes in AD, how do we know each one has their own separate Low 2-C space-time?

 

[Winter]

Um, for the 16 universes in AD, how do we know each one has their own separate Low 2-C space-time?

Cosmology blog pretty much explains it

 

[Eficiente]

Um, for the 16 universes in AD, how do we know each one has their own separate Low 2-C space-time?

Please take this as an example of what I told you before.

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I went over all the twitter posts, here are a few thing I found out:

• Parallel bosses should get: "Resistance to Empathic Manipulation & Morality Manipulation (Shown to be immune to the Star Allies' Friend Heats in-gameplay, which was displayed by promotional content too<ref>Kirby JP twitter, post of Dec 18, 2018</ref>)"
• Dark Taranza is said to be from the Black Mirror<ref>Kirby JP twitter, post of Oct 15, 2019</ref>, so I would think he is from there rather than being created.
• Magolor felt power from the Morpho Knight gear<ref>Kirby JP twitter, post of Jun 9, 2020</ref>, so that's a feat for his senses

 

[Antvasima]

Which staff members think what here so far?

 

[Winter]

This thread should honestly be closed. It already lost its initial purpose a while ago as different revisions have been suggested several times for the single thread. It’s so cluttered and has been abandoned for at most a month for another crt. Even some of the revisions suggested got halted (the 2-C revisions) because of said crt, which also became inactive at a point, yet more revisions are still suggested. Iirc, Antvasima had to ask what still needs to be applied several times, though I may be remembering incorrectly.

There’s also plenty of threads opened during the threads inactivity, which resulted in way over 3 crts that are still open by the way. Those crts and this one should be closed so we have less than the 3 crt limit and have less cluttered threads. Another crt should be made for the revisions currently being waited on here, if there are any. That way, we have 2 crts open (a new one for the leftover revisions of this thread, and the ongoing Kirby formatting revision), and not several inactive ones.

 

[Eficiente]

I would need to move everything here into a new one & make sure nothing was left so that nothing is lost, there are minor things in the ogirinal op that were never touched. I can do that as soon as the formatting thread is over.

 

[Antvasima]

I would need to move everything here into a new one & make sure nothing was left so that nothing is lost, there are minor things in the ogirinal op that were never touched. I can do that as soon as the formatting thread is over.

@Eficiente

How are things proceeding in this regard?

 

[Eficiente]

The formatting thread isn't over.

 

[Eseseso]

The formatting thread isn't over.

And likely never will be.

 

[Eficiente]

For the Kirby Manpuku Pupupu Fantasy manga:

• Volume 11: Ch 113:
  • Durability: Magolor's Lor Starcutter destroys Dedede's castle.
  • Reaction speed: Magolor "does the driving" in its ship, manually like a car.
  • Reactions and combat speed: While on atmosphere, Kirby gets thrown off a flying Lor, getting behind it, but uses a mix of 3 Super Abilities to close the gap & reach it as Magolor & Dedede react. We don't know if the ship is slower on a planet than how it is on space.
  • AP (w/ Super Abilities) & durability (in base): Doing the latter, Kirby breaks inside the Lor (Aloha) with a small hole in a wall.
  • Attack speed: After the engine of the Lor got shot down inside Planet Popstar, Kirby could use a charged beam from his Mecha Copy Ability to propel the ship, "being the engine", causing the ship to go to space.
  • Reaction speed: Kirby accidentally shot the latter beam towards Magolor, Dedede warns him as the beam is coming, and Magolor stays doing nothing for a bit before grabbing King Dedede next to him & using him as a shield.
  • Others: Dedede takes that blast for a long time, which was able to move that ship into outer space, when the ship was shown to be bigger than his castle, but the sizes of things are all over the place.
• Volume 11: Ch 114:
  • Speed: It's the following chapter, the ship reaches Saturn and 3 pages later arrives into the planet Halcandra. Kirby isn't the engine anymore, that was fixed off-panel.
  • AP and Durability: Kirby using Super Abilities and Magolor fight each other inside the Lor, starting to crack minor parts in it, Kirby hits Magolor with his Ultra Sword, destroying the Lor Starcutter as well, Magolor survives.
  • Speed ref: Kirby carries Magolor with him back to Popstar on a Warp Star, Popstar is visible from Halcandra.
• Volume 11: Ch 117:
  • Scaling ref: Kirby can use a regular Copy Ability to harm Magolor.
  • Scaling ref: Here, here, here, here, here & here; A lot of characters can harm and react to each other (Kirby, Dedede, Meta Knight, Bandana Dee, Marx and Elfilin)
• Volume 11: Ch 118: Scaling ref: Here and here, some of the cast (Kirby using regular Copy Abilities, Dedede, Meta Knight and Elfilin) can beat up Magolor.
• Vol 7: Ch 78:
  • Ref of Dedede's castle.
  • Supporting feat: Kirby grows giant by eating a lot and destroys Dedede's castle with his sheer size from below the castle, Marx survives this while near Kirby.

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• vol 3, ch23:
  • AP: Void Termina has the power to destroy the universe.
  • Scaling: An amped King Dedede, an amped Bandana Dee, an amped Burning Leo, and a regular Kirby easily beat up Void Termina, cracking him with casual slaps and killing him by accident when fighting among themselves because Void Termina got dragged in.
  • Scaling: An amped King Dedede, an amped Bandana Dee, an amped Burning Leo, and a regular Kirby can fight each other. So much for their amp.

Here I was thinking they would all scale to destroying that castle, they're all High 4-C. I wonder who would win between this Kirby and the one from the light novels w/ = speed, one is smarter & more skilled, the other can use his everything on a thought & is crazy. We would need calcs for their speed.

 

[Eficiente]

I moved the Self-Resurrection explanation here.

 

[Eseseso]

I moved the Self-Resurrection explanation here.

Btw, I heard something about Kirby getting Mid-Godly regeneration, do you know anything about that?

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

That is the Self-Resurrection, yeah

 

[Eseseso]

That is the Self-Resurrection, yeah

I see.

And this applies to Kirby and his enemies, right? Just that the blog is a bit complicated.

 

[Eficiente]

It is, really. Needless to say, as always I try to be clear and honest on how I present the information, keeping in mind how people may read it and think "Ok, I see how you believe this, but my take on that is something else" by tackling that and what they might get wrong. I don't think there is any shorter way to explain that, but I'm open to suggestions.

Btw, I heard something about Kirby getting Mid-Godly regeneration, do you know anything about that?

You gave a like to this comment tho, it's that. Granted, I forgot half of what was in this thread yet to be added already.

 

[Eseseso]

It is, really. Needless to say, as always I try to be clear and honest on how I present the information, keeping in mind how people may read it and think "Ok, I see how you believe this, but my take on that is something else" by tackling that and what they might get wrong. I don't think there is any shorter way to explain that, but I'm open to suggestions.

You gave a like to this comment tho, it's that. Granted, I forgot half of what was in this thread yet to be added already.

To be fair, my short-term memory is utterly atrocious.

 

[Eseseso]

Since Kirby can freely move in and fight beings from "Another Dimension", which is "beyond space and time", is there any way that he could have immeasurable speed?

 

[Winter]

Since Kirby can freely move in and fight beings from "Another Dimension", which is "beyond space and time", is there any way that he could have immeasurable speed?

No. Beyond space and time is too unspecific of a statement to make that assumption.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Since Kirby can freely move in and fight beings from "Another Dimension", which is "beyond space and time", is there any way that he could have immeasurable speed?

That only works if you assume Another Dimension is 5-D, and as we know by the CRT attempting to make this a thing... It's not

 

[Eseseso]

That only works if you assume Another Dimension is 5-D, and as we know by the CRT attempting to make this a thing... It's not

Damn, now I must instead try and get Kirby 4-D hax. Or maybe ask @Eficiente if the P&A from the Power of Miracles can be added to Kirby's P&A section.

 

[Antvasima]

For the Kirby Manpuku Pupupu Fantasy manga:

• Volume 11: Ch 113:
  • Durability: Magolor's Lor Starcutter destroys Dedede's castle.
  • Reaction speed: Magolor "does the driving" in its ship, manually like a car.
  • Reactions and combat speed: While on atmosphere, Kirby gets thrown off a flying Lor, getting behind it, but uses a mix of 3 Super Abilities to close the gap & reach it as Magolor & Dedede react. We don't know if the ship is slower on a planet than how it is on space.
  • AP (w/ Super Abilities) & durability (in base): Doing the latter, Kirby breaks inside the Lor (Aloha) with a small hole in a wall.
  • Attack speed: After the engine of the Lor got shot down inside Planet Popstar, Kirby could use a charged beam from his Mecha Copy Ability to propel the ship, "being the engine", causing the ship to go to space.
  • Reaction speed: Kirby accidentally shot the latter beam towards Magolor, Dedede warns him as the beam is coming, and Magolor stays doing nothing for a bit before grabbing King Dedede next to him & using him as a shield.
  • Others: Dedede takes that blast for a long time, which was able to move that ship into outer space, when the ship was shown to be bigger than his castle, but the sizes of things are all over the place.
• Volume 11: Ch 114:
  • Speed: It's the following chapter, the ship reaches Saturn and 3 pages later arrives into the planet Halcandra. Kirby isn't the engine anymore, that was fixed off-panel.
  • AP and Durability: Kirby using Super Abilities and Magolor fight each other inside the Lor, starting to crack minor parts in it, Kirby hits Magolor with his Ultra Sword, destroying the Lor Starcutter as well, Magolor survives.
  • Speed ref: Kirby carries Magolor with him back to Popstar on a Warp Star, Popstar is visible from Halcandra.
• Volume 11: Ch 117:
  • Scaling ref: Kirby can use a regular Copy Ability to harm Magolor.
  • Scaling ref: Here, here, here, here, here & here; A lot of characters can harm and react to each other (Kirby, Dedede, Meta Knight, Bandana Dee, Marx and Elfilin)
• Volume 11: Ch 118: Scaling ref: Here and here, some of the cast (Kirby using regular Copy Abilities, Dedede, Meta Knight and Elfilin) can beat up Magolor.
• Vol 7: Ch 78:
  • Ref of Dedede's castle.
  • Supporting feat: Kirby grows giant by eating a lot and destroys Dedede's castle with his sheer size from below the castle, Marx survives this while near Kirby.

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• vol 3, ch23:
  • AP: Void Termina has the power to destroy the universe.
  • Scaling: An amped King Dedede, an amped Bandana Dee, an amped Burning Leo, and a regular Kirby easily beat up Void Termina, cracking him with casual slaps and killing him by accident when fighting among themselves because Void Termina got dragged in.
  • Scaling: An amped King Dedede, an amped Bandana Dee, an amped Burning Leo, and a regular Kirby can fight each other. So much for their amp.

Here I was thinking they would all scale to destroying that castle, they're all High 4-C. I wonder who would win between this Kirby and the one from the light novels w/ = speed, one is smarter & more skilled, the other can use his everything on a thought & is crazy. We would need calcs for their speed.

@Eficiente

So what do you think should be done here, in summary?

 

[Eseseso]

Btw, if we want to get a good feat to scale Kirby's first key, we could calc Sectonia's Popstar-sized death explosion, which didn't even damage or affect Popstar, and scale Kirby's first key above that for cracking the planet, assuming that the feat is higher than our current Nova calc.

 

[Eficiente]

I'm also going to add this:

• [[Resistance]] to [[Morality Manipulation]] (Players can break free of [[Void Termina]]'s Circle of Friends and [[Morpho Knight]]'s Paradise Scale Wave [ imgur a/20MXkSA[/MEDIA] by mashing the directional pad for a brief time, reversing to normal as if hit by a Friend Heart]<ref>''Kirby Star Allies''</ref><ref group="note">Available to the 2º to 4º player with all Star Allies. If NPCs control them, they will never break free of their mind powers on their own. The 1º player (which will always be Kirby in the Story Mode and can be anyone in other modes) can't be affected by those mind powers in the first place, however this is most likely for game-balancing purposes rather than an outright better resistance.</ref>)

to the Star Allies' profiles since editing all of them over and over takes too much time.

 

[Eseseso]

Just curious, does any character affect Another Dimension in its entirety asides from it collapsing when Magolor is defeated/killed?

I know Galacta Knight harnesses its power to use that Time-Space Slash in Robobot.

 

[Winter]

Just curious, does any character affect Another Dimension in its entirety asides from it collapsing when Magolor is defeated/killed?

I know Galacta Knight harnesses its power to use that Time-Space Slash in Robobot.

I don’t think Magolor ever affected its entirety. Also, no one harnesses power from AD, it’s a spatial structure (multi-verse-like), not a power source

I don’t think anyone else did

 

[Eficiente]

What he said. Please write it down, this is like the 4º time you asked about the first part.

 

[Eseseso]

Btw, I know Kirby already ha sPurification Post-SA, but wouldn't him purifying Chaos Elfilis's soul after killing him via Power of Miracles be another example of Purification?

Also, I'm not really sure that Power of Miracles or statements about it have shown anything resembling possible Fate Hax, Probability Hax, or Law Hax (like what the profile claims).

If it turns out that the debris falling right where Truck Kirby needed during the final fight was due to Power of Miracles, then we can say that it is passive Fate/Causality Hax, but that's unconfirmed for now.