Lati@s speed upgrade

[The_real_cal_howard]

It's five in the morning so I'm gonna make this quick. Luster Purge is a burst of light. All Pokedex entries call it that. In all the main series games, it is portrayed as an omnidirectional burst of white light (the anime and manga don't do that tho). The 3-D games even have what appears to be a mini sun created first. Latias' Mist Ball should be just as fast and they should be capable of dodging each other's attacks.

This scales to...no one outside of these two. I don't recall them interacting with any other legendaries often, and when they do, they're portrayed as speedy even to the box art legendaries. At best this could scale to Rayquaza and Deoxys by proxy.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I didn't know Lati "at" s was a Pokemon. And it apparently has Luster Purge....Cal are you okay?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Top kek

 

[Reppuzan]

When have Latias and Latios ever fought? I don't remember any instance of this.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I believe it was in the last x and y movie

 

[Reppuzan]

Well, I didn't watch that, but do you have a link?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Before that, how's the logic for Luster Purge?

 

[SomebodyData]

It could work, but the fact that the anime/manga doesn't have it that way is troubling, as it would suggest that their counterparts "work" differently and thus may not scale to others if they were to use it there. (Basically, primary canon L > secondary canon L, so no scaling to other secondary canon pkmn)

...Not that it matters since it doesn't seem to scale to anyone anyways. And I am shakey about scaling Latios to Latias, especially since I don't remember them having a combative relationship?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Well, you're half right. Latias is more defensive (barely) while Latios is more offensive (barely). They share the same speed stat (not that it matters) and Mist Ball is literally just Luster Purge with a different animation and exclusive learner.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I would like to know Latios' relativistic KE.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Cal

I don't think we can calculate KE from this, not that it'd affect their tiering, I think.

 

[SomebodyData]

Wait, why are the stats brought up if they don't matter?

Uh, Mist Ball behaving differently and being exclusive to a certain Pokemon makes it very much different from Luster Purge. I don't see the similarity, especially when one is an omnidirectional burst of light, whereas the other is a ball of mist?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It could bump them to High 7-A likely, but I don't even remember the formula so it's dead in the water anyway.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@SD. Nah. I mean the effects, damage output, typing, etc. is exactly the same.

I.E., both are psychic special moves with a base power of 70 that has a 50% chance to lower special attack.

 

[SomebodyData]

Ah I see, well even then we can't assume that less there be a non-game mechanic connection that has more weight than typing.

Also Luster Purge drops sp def, only mist ball drops sp atk.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Fair enough. I understand that. Can you guys agree on a Latios upgrade tho? I feel as that is acceptable. Latias can be debated, and I doubt Rayquaza can scale.

 

[SomebodyData]

Ye

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Cal part of that is Game Mechanics Only thing that isn't is the chance to lower AP.

This is Mist Ball's description to those it may concern.

A mist-like flurry of down envelops and damages the target. This may also lower the target's Sp. Atk stat.

And here's an image of it.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Is this highlight worthy or no?

 

[SomebodyData]

Nah, if it had more changes (drastic ones that would effect most of the verse) then yes, but for now no.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Not really since this is on such a small scale.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Who would've expected Latios to be the fastest earthbound Pokémon XD

 

[SomebodyData]

He's not as fast as the legendary speed boost abusing Ninjask. Give him enough turns and he'll be faster than time ovo

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I love how without any speed boosts, Ninjask outspeeds ELECTRODE iirc.

 

[SomebodyData]

Ninjask need nerf

(inb4 Ninjask gets a Z-Move which removes the speed boost limit, and becomes god tier in game)

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

What if a mega Ninjadk had an ability that allowed to to have gen 1 Crit ratios? OvO

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Am I the only one who finds Pokemon Speed stats to be hilariously stupid, but awesome. A ninja bug is faster than a Time Lord, Space Goddess, Antimatter Phantom, God, A giant Green Dragon, a fast Tree Dinosaur, a Fire Dragon and even a freaking Ninja Frog.....Think about that...

 

[SomebodyData]

And said mega Ninjask should look more like a Persian since that's the real gen 1 Crit abuser.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The strategy would be to set up Relect and Light Screen and switch to Ninjask. Fury Cutter a few times to rack up that speed boost. Then Mega Evolve and sweep with a guaranteed crit buffed Fury Cutter.

 

[DerpCity]

Ninjask isn't as fast as a literal alien virus that specifically adapted itself for speed though, as absurd as that sounds.

So is the only thing being upgraded Latios' attack speed?

 

[SomebodyData]

Yes, then mid-way in the fight he starts going so fast he attacks twice per turn, thrice per turn, etc, etc, until he gains instantaneous attack speed.

 

[SomebodyData]

Ye Derp

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Latios all around is being upgraded. It's status of being one of the fastest legendaries canonically even without this feat supports that.

 

[NeoZex6399]

>Hello :^)


Gotta Go Fast

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Iirc wasn't Latios seen as superior to Latias in the movie? Not the hoopa one but the one where it involved the Soul dew or something.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Nah. They were equal. Latios was just the protective brother type.

Also, relativistic KE got me Large Mountain+. Did it for fun.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Cal I'm almost positive that Relativistic KE can't be used in this situation.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I said it was just was for fun. And it uses its KE for Zen Headbutt. I did limit it to 93% SoL.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Latios a protective brother? That's.....

A perfect fit tbh lol.

 

[DontTalk]

For stuff to be expected lightspeed at minimum a few criterias have to be fulfilled as the Laser/Light dodging feats page details. Simply being called light doesn't qualify and the expanding ball of light seen in the 3-D games wouldn't exactly qualify as realistic light source in my book either (since it don't think it to be an actual sun or similar).