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Kurogane Ikki (Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry/Eiyuutan) Stat Check Part 2

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@KaenDragneel No. It has been stated in the series, by both Kagami (in Shizuku's in-universe profile) and by the narrator, multiple times IIRC, that Shizuku can only freeze large spaces due to her Magic Control. The same thing aplies to vaporizing her ice, or freezing water, or whatever changes in the physical state of her water. She can't use that to deal direct damage. The only ways that she can damage people with it are freezing them by creating ice around them like she did to the students, and freezing the floor and making the enemy fall down, with probably wouldn't really damage anyone with enough durability to fight her. We can't use that for AP. We should use actual AP feats for that, like this. And no, we should not put every magic user at Unknown, because most of them have AP feats. Like Stella's Town level Bahamut Soul, Ouma's at least City Block level (probably MCB) Kusanagi, Reisen's City Block level "mech" and Nene's supposedly Small Country level Hodou Tensei. All of those attacks deal direct damage to their opponents, so they can be used. You're saying that we only have calcs for Shizuku, but there's nothing stopping anyone from calculating Reisen's feat, or Ouma's.

Regarding the size of the arena, what? The arena is the dome. The height of the arena is the same as the dome. Also, KS extended a bit over the roof, true, but Stella was at the edge of the arena, not at the center, so that's not the highest part of the roof. You can even see that in the picture i posted. So the dome/arena should logically be a bit taller than 100 meters.
 
Now I am very interested in Nene's Hodou Tensei. How did you find out that Hodou Tensei could potentially be Small Country level anyways?
 
Crazystarf said:
Now I am very interested in Nene's Hodou Tensei. How did you find out that Hodou Tensei could potentially be Small Country level anyways?
https://******************/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=9843&start=645

Scroll down until you see the translation of Nene's profile, and read the "Kagamin Check!" part.
 
So, its about time we made some edits on Stella's profile, right? We should adjust her durability to "at least Small Building level with her subconcious magical barriers, Higher with Empress Dress". The "Higher" is temporary, as soon as someone calculates Reisen's feat, we can get a more accurate rating. As for her AP, i would like to add that she is likely Small Building level physically, MCB with KS, and Small Town level with Bahamut Soul. I also would like to remove the "her magic is stronger than Shizuku" bit, since, as far as i'm concerned, Shizuku isn't MCB. We should also remove the + from Stella's AP until someone calculates Ouma's feat, since the "+" is only supposed to be used with support from a calc. Is everyone okay with this?
 
@NEH: You may go ahead with this. Been a little lazy with calculations lately, but Ouma's feats should at least be MCB based on his feats with Stella and his ultimate attack anyways.
 
So.... Does anyone else have something to say regarding this? I would like to get more than 1 person suporting this, just to be sure.
 
Gemmysaur said:
I support this, though I'd just like to ask, what about Ikki though.
Ikki didn't get any new feats so far, except for a new ability. We have to wait until the next volume, since that's when his next fight happens, since we don't know how his fight with Stella really happened. But they seem about equal here, so i guess powerscaling him from Stella should be fine for now.
 
NotEvenHuman said:
So, Base Ikki = Base Stella? Or was it Shura Ikki = Magic-amped Stella?

I'm fine with that either way. We could derive his Shura and Razetsu amps from there anyway.

What is Ikki's new ability though?
 
@Gemmysaur See, that's the problem. We don't know if he was using his amps there.

Ikki's new ability is Edelweiss swordsmanship. Here's the explanation, along with Ikki using it for the first time :

He remembered. No human eye could perceive her overwhelming speed—and the secret to that was that she did not accelerate. Usually, when a blade was swung, it would start out slow. One needed to accelerate the movement in order for it to reach maximum speed. But there was no such thing in any of Edelweiss's movements. The moment she made to step forward, she was already at top speed. As she began to slash, she was already at her maximum. An extreme stop-and-go, racing from zero to a hundred in a flash. But this technique was extremely strong. The extremities of its swiftness and slowness made the blade strokes seem many times faster than they were. It was also incredibly hard to keep an eye on the blade itself, since it had no slow initial speed.

Ikki had seen through that much in their battle. Thus, he had attempted Blade Steal in those final moments. He had not been certain if it would work. But he had done it anyway, if only because that was the strongest swordsmanship known to him at that time.

What he had to do now was the same. Even if he might not manage it in his current state, this was surely the best he knew.

So, at the very least—

As Ikki thought thus, the feelings he had in his battle with Edelweiss returning to him, he gave instructions to his rebelling body.

The world's strongest swordsmanship. It was done like—

"This."

In that instant, his body became light as a feather. Like a rushing wind he weaved through the gaps between Sanrensei's spear strokes—and as he passed he cleaved deeply into Moroboshi's abdomen.



So, is Rakudai breaking any laws of physics yet?
 
Even if Edelweiss' arms can go from 0 to top speed, there should be an actual point where she reaches top speed. If Edelweiss is moving so fast that even Itto Shura cannot keep up with her, I would like to estimate High Hypersonic for Edelweiss' speed at least.
 
Crazystarf said:
Even if Edelweiss' arms can go from 0 to top speed, there should be an actual point where she reaches top speed. If Edelweiss is moving so fast that even Itto Shura cannot keep up with her, I would like to estimate High Hypersonic for Edelweiss' speed at least.
Edelweiss is already High Hypersonic+ via powerscaling. Also, Edelweiss does have a point where she reaches top speed. That would be the moment she starts moving.
 
Very impressive, considering Itto Shura allows for Ikki to move at around Mach 20, I guess High Hypersonic+ sounds like a good baselike for her speed. Not sure about the extent of her speed though, because there isn't enough information to do a direct calc at the moment.

As for her AP, I will lean towards 7-C here for being much, much stronger compared to Stella and Ouma (who can both achieve small town level feats from your previous posts).
 
Crazystarf said:
Very impressive, considering Itto Shura allows for Ikki to move at around Mach 20, I guess High Hypersonic+ sounds like a good baselike for her speed. Not sure about the extent of her speed though, because there isn't enough information to do a direct calc at the moment.

As for her AP, I will lean towards 7-C here for being much, much stronger compared to Stella and Ouma (who can both achieve small town level feats from your previous posts).
Actually, we don't really need any complicated calcs for Edelweiss. Hodou Tensei's speed was stated to be 2 times escape velocity, or mach 64. Kurono reacted to it. Edelweiss > Kurono. Boom, mach 64 top tiers. I would post the quotes for what i said here, but i'm on my tablet right now and i don't know how to copy and paste on this thing yet, so i will post them tomorow. Btw, where does Small Town level Ouma come from? Was that the result of his feat?
 
@NEH: I was just scaling from Stella, from the feat where Stella makes a huge explosion that covered the dome and everything else.

Also, you stated that Ouma blows away a couple arenas and school buildings or something; considering the arena itself is massive, it may actually reach Small town level values (there is one more feat where Ouma makes a giant gash on the ground, deep enough that the human eye can't even see the bottom of it).
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
Lot of baseless assumptions
Well, not really baseless, but i guess assuming Kurono reacted to Hodou Tensei instead of using her time powers was a bit too much. Sorry for that.

@Crazystarf Scaling Ouma to Bahamut Soul is a bad idea, since he never demonstrated anything of that level, unless a calc for Kusanagi puts him there. Also, Ouma didn't destroy some arenas and buildings, he destroyed all of them. Every single one.
 
So, does anyone else have anything to say about the updates to Stella's profile i suggested over 1 week ago?
 
If you can give a summary (and the base, no baseless feats)

I can give my opinion
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
If you can give a summary (and the base, no baseless feats)
I can give my opinion
Bruh....

Okay, then.

Stella's Small Building level Durability comes from not being damaged after being sent crashing into a wall, causing it to break and drop 1 ton of rubble on her. Said wall was able to tank shots from a tank cannon, which are Small Building level.

I don't think i need to explain why she's higher with Empress Dress.

Small Building level AP physically comes from the fact that saying she is unable to overpower her own subcouncious magical barriers is absolute BS.

Likely MCB Kalsariteo Salamandra comes from being comparable to Ouma's Kusanagi. We don't have a calc for that yet, but most people seem to agree it's MCB. The lack of a calc is why the "likely" is there.

Small Town level Bahamut Soul comes from a statement saying it could destroy the surrounding town. However, that same town was described as a ghost town when the SSSAF isn't happening, and it was mentioned that the town was a failed project that was never really finished. So Small Town level.

We already talked about Shizuku's AP on this thread.

Is that good enough for a summary?
 
Again, several users and Staff Members accepted Shizuku calc EVEN after your explanation

And again, you justification is not sufficient to take that down

About the Durability and the Bahamut Soul

It's ok
 
@KaenDragneel All calcs for Shizuku were made before i gave that explanation IIRC. Anyway, i might make a separate thread about that in the future, once we're done with this.

So, everything else is fine, right?
 
1. Yeah, everything is fine


2. Again, is magic

And we are doing calc with magic

So, if she has the power to do that, then she can use it in other way

Because if she has the power to freeze up water, she can vaporize ice

And you commented that in my calc, stills accepted
 
Yes, she can vaporize ice due to her MAGIC CONTROL and she can't use it to damage other people.

The explanation i gave in your calc wasn't as detailed as the one i gave here, that could definately change things. But again, i'm going to make a separate thread about this in the future. Then we can continue this discussion.

So, i'll do the changes to Stella's profile now. I'm going to leave the part about Shizuku, for now.
 
Made the changes. Also adjusted her range and changed Karthaterio Salamandra to Kalsariteo Salamandra, since that's what the novel is using right now.
 
"(Unharmed after being sent crashing into a wall, causing it to break and drop 1 ton of rubble on her. Said wall was able to tank shots from a tank cannon.)
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
"(Unharmed after being sent crashing into a wall, causing it to break and drop 1 ton of rubble on her. Said wall was able to tank shots from a tank cannon.)
There we go. Small Building Level durability feat for Stella. Now unless we get brand new feats or new calcs for Stella, DON'T touch the profiles at the moment.

Thank you.
 
Crazystarf said:
KaenDragneel123 said:
"(Unharmed after being sent crashing into a wall, causing it to break and drop 1 ton of rubble on her. Said wall was able to tank shots from a tank cannon.)
There we go. Small Building Level durability feat for Stella. Now unless we get brand new feats or new calcs for Stella, DON'T touch the profiles at the moment.
Thank you.
That feat is old by now, tbh. But yeah, i don't plan on making any more changes until we have new feats or calcs. Just gonna add this explanation to her profile, and then we're done with Stella for now. Funny, most of this thread was about Stella, but the title says "Kurogane Ikki" lol.
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
I still thinking that Ikki should be scale somewhat from this
I think that too, but we don't really have enough information at the moment. We only have this image, and while Ikki doesn't seem to be using any of his amps there, we can't tell for sure. But i suppose we could probably list him as "likely/probably Small Building level".
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
It seems like if were using one of his amps
At that moment, Ikki's whole body and Intetsu's full length started to shine.

Luminous blue that flickered ever so slightly like flame―was it an elemental power similar to hers? Stella thought so for a moment but soon abandoned the idea.


This is Ikki using Ittou Shura for the first time. He doesn't seem to be shining in that image, and Stella growing so strong that Ikki needs to use IS to match her in only one week seems really unlikely.
 
****'Base Ikki vs Stella.'****

Saying that, Ikki pushed Lævatein away, creating a large opening in her guard.

"Haaaaa!"

'And with Intetsus blade, he slashed down at Stella's defenseless form.

'The confused spectators turned their gazes to Stella's right shoulder. Intetsus blade had indeed landed there, but it was completely stopped. Ikki's full-powered strike couldn't damage Stella at all.

"…So in the end, it turns out like this."

Setting aside his exasperation, Ikki once again took a large step back to escape the scorching heat, increasing the gap between them. His opponent was using magic as a shield, and an attack without equally strong magic couldn't harm a shielded Blazer. Ikki's magic was too limited, too weak. However excellent his techniques might be, lacking a Blazer's most important trait meant he couldn't even pierce the magic power Stella was releasing subconsciously.


****'Base Ikki powering up with Ittou Shura.'****

So―

"So I wondered, how can the weakest beat the strongest? How can I exceed my own weak self? Here and now, I'll show you my answer."

Ikki pointed the tip of Intetsu at Stella and said,

"Here, with my greatest weakness, I'll defeat your greatest strength―!"

At that moment, Ikki's whole body and Intetsu's full length started to shine.

Luminous blue that flickered ever so slightly like flame―was it an elemental power similar to hers? Stella thought so for a moment but soon abandoned the idea. No, it was the light of magic power itself growing to the point of visibility.

His power… is increasing…!?

Impossible. Magic power could neither rise nor fall from its owner's level at birth. Then what was happening? Stella couldn't understand it. She had never heard of an ability that raises magic power. But she did understand one thing: the current Intetsu glowing with blue light had the power to strike her down.

'****'Katharterio Salamandra vs Ittou Shura.

Despite her surprise, she immediately attacked Ikki with a second swing. Katharterio Salamandra created a sword of heat that had no physical body, and it could reach a target more than a hundred meters away. It wasn't something a flesh-and-blood human could simply evade.

But Ikki did.

****'Ittou Shura x10 amp vs Regular blazer amp x5-6 - Base Ikki was apparently fighting x6 Stella due to her unconcious aura methinks, and was matching her well enough.'****

It was called the worst among all the abilities a Blazer could have, because even without the boosting of physical attributes, a Blazer could gain far more force or mobility by applying magic. Indeed, Stella had used such magic during this match, and her attributes had multiplied five or six times, not merely doubled. In other words, Ikki's ability was a downgraded version of what every Blazer could do just by using magic.

One could say that it was very appropriate for an F-Rank.

"That's a lie! Those movements, that's far more than just doubled! And besides, I've never heard of magic power also rising alongside physical strength!"

While swinging her sword of light, Stella made this protest. A release of magic power that could be seen by the naked eye, and then movements that couldn't? Such things weren't caused just by doubling physical attributes. Even if she was only talking about physical power, Ikki's had surely jumped more than ten-fold.

****'Describing Ittou Shura'****

"That's true, but I'm not using my ability the normal way. Instead, I'm using it at full power."

"Huh!? There's no way you would improve like this just because of enthusiasm!"

"No… I wasn't talking about enthusiasm, but the literal meaning."

"Eh…?"

"I've been thinking about this for a long time. Let's say you were to sprint a hundred meters after saying that you'll do it at full power. Even if you did as you intended, you'll still have spare energy afterward. I thought that was strange. If you really ran while using all of your strength, shouldn't it be weird to even stay conscious afterwards?"

How could that happen? The answer was because humans are alive, and living creatures instinctively want to preserve their lives, their instincts give top priority to survival. No matter how much a person pledges to use his full strength, his subconscious would never allow it. Even if he expends all energy, some amount would still remain so that his body continues to function. This limitation was hardwired into living biology.

Because of that limitation, humans didn't normally use even half of their stamina, strength, or magic power. It was an absolute rule.

But what if someone could break that absolute rule? What if someone, using willpower alone, could remove the limiter that keeps him from exerting his full strength?

"You… you don't mean―!"

"Yes. My magic power hasn't increased. I'm just tapping into power I couldn't before, after willfully exceeding my limitations."

****'Ittou Shura Ikki blitzes and oneshots Stella via KO.'****

If he wanted to close the gap anyway, he couldn't be normal any longer. He had no choice but to become a Shura. Ikki didn't avert his eyes from that truth. Focusing on this realization, he had discovered a way. To surpass talent, he could no longer leave any strength unused.

One minute was enough. It was fine to ignore what happened afterward, but for one minute he'd become strong enough to beat anyone.

That was the answer Ikki Kurogane found, so that his greatest weakness can defeat another's greatest strength. Intentionally using all of his vigor and stamina after breaking through his limits, it was a Noble Art that brought out all of his meager power for little more than one minute and multiplies that power several dozen times.

"Ittou Shura."

Suddenly Ikki, who was moving around the arena with movements that could no longer even be tracked by human eyes, used his astounding speed to appear at Stella's blind side, and ended everything.

With a *slash*.

At a speed that could be neither dodged nor blocked, without even a chance to scream, Stella took a direct hit from Intetsu.

"Ah―"

She felt the ground under her feet dissolving, and then Stella's thoughts fell into darkness. It was a special kind of unconsciousness imposed by an illusionary fatal wound. Just like its name suggested, Ittou Shura felled the Crimson Princess with just one cut, and Stella fainted powerlessly.


"That's enough! Winner, Ikki Kurogane!"

Even though Kurono called Ikki's victory, and the stunning result stood before their very eyes, the students in the arena still didn't quite comprehend what had happened. All they could do was stare at the figure of the Failed Knight silently standing there.


-Volume 1
 
VSB errors again. Can't edit my post without breaking everything that's written.

If Stella with passive shielding is Small Building Level Durability, base Ikki being unable to cut her would put him around Wall to Wall+ AP methinks.

@NotEvenHuman : because of the lack of Ikki in the discussion, but that's just me being me.
 
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