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Kurogane Ikki (Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry/Eiyuutan) Stat Check Part 2

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Oh yeah


The UNACCEPTED anime... Really good one (We already discussed that too. And even if the anime were cannon, you CAN'T mix anime and manga scans)

I don't need to be an expert to know that
 
NotEvenHuman said:
Because you never asked. You just said the calc was baseless.
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Apparentally someone do NOT read the conversation

I ask him/her, and the answer? "If you actually read the text above, Ouma's Kusanagi obliterated everything within its line of sight (buildings, roads, etc) and made a deep gash into the ground. All of the training arenas (15 of them) were obliterated as well."

So, please
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
And now explain yourself about the Ouma Calc

Because the only thing I saw, was an image with random pixels, and a calc (good calc, but baseless)
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I don't see a "where did you get the measurements for the arenas?" or anything even remotely similar on that sentence.

So, please.
 
I ask him/her/orwhatever

"where that image in Ouma's calc come from?"

Although I didnt ask measurements directly, If the answer I got is "OBLITERATED" obviously there's something wrong.


Look, @Crazystarf has talent for calc, but he or she stills making "NOT THE BEST" assumptions and others things
 
There are 3 images on that calc. You should have just asked where did he get the measurements.

I'm not going to say anything about that.

Regardless, you can just try to do that calc yourself with scaling from the manga for the domes, if you want to. And if the result just so happens to be similar, there's not really anything wrong. So go ahead.
 
I think Crazystarf may have taken some measurements from the LN, although I am personally unsure. I believe this because the Ouma calc has had two versions so far, one after Iwandesu told Crazy that the anime was not usable.
 
Alakabamm said:
I think Crazystarf may have taken some measurements from the LN, although I am personally unsure. I believe this because the Ouma calc has had two versions so far, one after Iwandesu told Crazy that the anime was not usable.
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He/she reused his/her previous calc again.
 
NotEvenHuman said:
Regardless, you can just try to do that calc yourself with scaling from the manga for the domes, if you want to. And if the result just so happens to be similar, there's not really anything wrong. So go ahead.
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Believe me, if I had a manga scan from the dome

I should already made a calc for that
 
Anyways, I updated the measurements for the dome, which reduced its diameter from whatever it was before.

Also, you have no right to state what is baseless and what is not here in this thread considering it was NEH and Gemmysaur who contributed all of the text from this novel while you just blabbered about. If you are against my calculations that much, do those calculations on your own and see what you get. Otherwise, kindly stop derailing this thread, for NEH's sakes.
 
Sorry, But you're the one who needs more than 5 persons and 3 failed tries to understand that anime is not usable (at least this case)

You're a good "calcer?" (I dunno the word) but I only thing I saw was: Novel Page, Image with some pixels, and a calc.

Just that.
 
So, how about we stop derailing the thread with attacks to each other and get back on topic?

Crazystarf, you should probably update the calc with scaling from the manga, and see what you get.

Kaen, if you really want to do it, you can just read the rest of the thread. There are plenty of scans from the manga in here and the other one. Or just check my message wall, there are some there too. All of them link to the site where i read manga, and that site is up to date with the Rakudai manga. Or you can just search "Rakudai Kishi no Eiyuutan manga" on google. Whatever. I have more important things to do right now, and not a whole lot of time left to do them, so... See you guys tomorrow. Or today. Whatever it will be in your time zone. Bye.
 
No, forget the manga. The manga isn't even anywhere near close to catching up with the novels yet. Considering that all of the calculations that I recently did was from the novel texts (provided by NEH), don't mention any word of the manga or anime here. It's not relevant to the discussion.
 
Crazystarf said:
No, forget the manga. The manga isn't even anywhere near close to catching up with the novels yet. Considering that all of the calculations that I recently did was from the novel texts (provided by NEH), don't mention any word of the manga or anime here. It's not relevant to the discussion.
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while mixing anime and manga scans

Sorry, but stills true


But now I want know, Can we just accept thw low end (Sorry, I just can't see that as VF) for the Stella's Striking Feat with the arena's floor?
 
I assumed that Stella's sword is a claymore , which is the closest in appearance to her sword. We don't really have a direct picture of Stella standing up straight with her sword, so the blade length of a claymore will have to do.
 
I used Stella's leg, if that works for you

You can check on my blog for the images (And yes, I was too lazy to calculate everything apart of the hole)
 
If you are using Stella's leg, you may have to angsize that in order to find the true length of the leg or something.

I used the blade length in order to save time (because angsizing is a pain)
 
So, this is completely unrelated to Stella, but i just want to put this here in case we can't get a result for Edelweiss's swords catching fire.

To deal with the slash that could of Edelweiss's two swords that drew a flash, he mustered all his nerves. Among the techniques he knew, the invisible technique that boasted of such speed as to be invisible. With the seventh secret sword Raikou, which used the power of Ittou Shura that was coiled around his body, he met the approaching attack.

Once, twice, three times, four times―the invisibly entangled steel gave births to white spars in the dark night. Ten clashes in all. Against the invisible chain of attacks that Edelweiss sent out with little pause, Ikki had traced back their movements from her gaze, just barely defending himself.

But from the beginning, Ikki's expression as he endured this showed obvious astonishment.

A-Amazing…!

Receiving the slashes had sent numbness from both hands to his shoulders. It wasn't just speed―but also preposterously heavy force. Despite being sent by only one hand, each was far beyond Ikki's Raikou!

Just so everyone knows that Edelweiss is at least Hypersonic+.
 
Do we have a profile for Eidelweiss yet? It looks like we have enough to make one for her, sans durability maybe.
 
Gemmysaur said:
Do we have a profile for Eidelweiss yet? It looks like we have enough to make one for her, sans durability maybe.
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Crazystarf just created her profile, actually. I'm going to try and get whatever durability feats she could have right now.
 
If he wasn't good enough in speed, then Ikki attacked a second time, switching to power. Twisting his upper body against his lower body like a spring, putting all his weight and physical strength and concentrating them into a single charging thrust, it was the Worst One's strongest technique―

The first secret sword―Saigeki.

Ikki's highest offensive ability that even put a hole in that giant rock doll. The charge and its penetrating power was peerless. Even someone like Edelweiss would have no response but to flee―what na├»ve thinking.

"Wha…!"

The next instant, Saigeki's charge lost power, and was no longer advancing.

Why? ―The reason was Edelweiss, who Intetsu infused with Saigeki's force was rushing toward, had stopped Saigeki by blocking with her own swords. At the tip of his sword that was no wider than a needle, her blades had met perfectly, countering Ikki's highest offensive ability. ―It was indeed amazing.

I don't know if this counts as durability or AP. Maybe both. Still, she was slightly damaged by Ikki at the end of the fight. So that could be an inconsistency.
 
I imagine she can handle attacks like Stella's Kata(whatever) just fine, considering that Edelweiss is leagues above Stella after all.

@NEH: Also, regarding Ouma, there is a feat where he just straight up tanked blows from Touka's full powered Raikiri without a single scratch, so this could be a durability feat for Ouma. Can you find the exact quote?
 
Probably AP since she matched his power swing with her own, putting it to a complete stop. How did Ikki damage her? From the force of Saigeki?
 
@Crazystarf

It had only been ten minutes since the start of the battle. Touka was already the only one left standing on the field among the Hagun Academy student council officers.

"How about giving up already?"

At the voice of Ouma whose words dripped with disdain, bitterness spread over Touka's face.

Unlike the others, Touka's body had not suffered a single wound. However, she was no match for Ouma.

After Stella and the others escaped, Touka considered the power of the remaining members, and challenged him knowing that she was the only one who could serve as his opponent, but to her surprise Ouma had put away his Device Ryuuzume and stood there defenselessly. And more than that—

"I have no interest in turning my blade against a girl weaker than myself. If you wish to fight no matter what—one stroke is enough. Try to make a mark on my body. If you can do so, I'll be your opponent."

And he folded his arms, closed his eyes, and stood upright―with no concern for the kind of knight he was facing.

To say that she felt no ire from such conduct would be a lie. But on the other hand, such arrogance and carelessness was a rare opportunity for Touka.

Ouma, who had done away with Stella easily. His strength was real. And here he was in front of her drawn sword, completely defenseless.

She had no intent of letting this opportunity pass from under her nose. Ouma was insulting his enemy with abundant negligence. Without hesitation, Touka slashed at the defenseless Ouma using Raikiri and all her might. Drawing out her strength, leaving nothing out. Angle. Speed. It was a perfect strike.

Supposing it was a miscalculation, Ouma's arrogance was born of self-confidence and the difference between their power.

Her direct hits with Raikiri had not been able to leave a wound on Ouma's body.

In ten minutes. No matter how many times, the result was the same. She had cut through his clothes a little, but not through the thinnest bit of his skin.

What she felt with her hands every time she slashed was… a mountain. As if she was striking at an enormous mountain with a sword, a response that was too solid.

What is this abnormal defensive power…!?

As far as Blazer fights go, there were phenomena like this. There were cases where the difference in magic capacity was this absolute. Right, like the first match between Ikki and Stella.

But there can't be such a huge difference between Ouma-san's magic capacity and mine…!

And as it turns out, Touka is right. Both her and Ouma have rank B magic capacity, which is what determines how strong is the defensive shield of a Blazer and plays a significant part in how they interact with attacks. But there's something over at the Rakudai wiki about Ouma binding his body with high-pressure air or something, so that could be the reason.
 
This brings the question of Ikki's actual AP. Considering that Ikki is using a sword, his actual AP should be higher compared to the amount of kinetic energy actually released in his attacks.

Perhaps the definition for AP should be brought up in this thread again?

Edit: Ouma was actually binding himself with high-pressure air, causing his body to harden himself immensely. I was wondering if his durability could actually scale to his AP this time, considering that there is a calc done for Ouma's Kusanagi already.
 
Gemmysaur said:
Probably AP since she matched his power swing with her own, putting it to a complete stop.
How did Ikki damage her? From the force of Saigeki?
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Nope. He damaged her in the end of the fight, when he figured out how to use her instant acceleration skill. It's also mentioned that she had to defend herself completely from that, but we don't really know if she had her magic shield up during that fight.
 
Was Ikki high on ittou shura that time? Given his penchant for shutting down some of his bodily functions to amp others. He theoretically lowered IS' speed to up strength since he is using self-accel from her.

But yeah, shield down due to arrogance maybe is most likely.
 
Just read the bolded part and be done with it.

@NEH: Anyways, I think we can scale Ouma's durability from this in terms of Touma's raikiri. Considering Touka's raikiri was calculated at about building level (not sure if low or high end), and Ouma wasn't even scratched when Raikiri made contact with him, it's safe to say that Ouma's durability should be around City Block level at least.

Or it could even be higher via scaling from his Kusanagi.
 
@Crazystarf Yeah, considering that Stella with Empress Dress is probably around City Block in durability (someone should really do a calc for Reisen so we can have proof of her being City Block) and that he tanked nonstop Raikiris from Touka for 10 minutes, City Block should be fine. Still, i would wait until we have a calc for Reisen's mech. This one in particular shouldn't be too hard. Here's the quote in case someone is interested:

And so Reisen's fully-formed ace began its attack on Stella, wielding in the twisted combination of concrete and steel pipe that was its left arm eight train cars lashed together to form a whip, swinging it down upon the crimson knight in the ring. The power of that blow was such that it did not merely stop at crushing a single human, smashing the ring itself and shaking the Dome to its very foundations.

ÒÇîToo strong! The ring is shattered by the train-whip of Deus Ex Machina! One quarter of it has been completely blown away, raising an impressive dust cloud! Is Vermillion alright!? ÒÇì

And in case anyone doesn't remember, this ring is as big as the previous one:

That warcry, that power from earlier had enveloped the entire ring. If she had used it from the start, the match would have ended right there and then. In other words, had she so wished, she had the ability to one-sidedly end the match. She did not do so, however, and there was a single reason as to why: Bahamut Soul was too powerful. Its area of effect was not limited to the 100-meter-wide ring.

So, yeah. He destroyed 25m of stone/concrete/whatever.
 
@NotEvenHuman: Methinks we can scale his Durability to Touka's Raikiri with a + at the very least.

@Crazystarf: Idk if we can scale his durability to Kusanagi since that is crapton high for this verse's durability, but it makes sense I guess. I'd rather we wait for more feats from him though.
 
Gemmysaur said:
@NotEvenHuman: Methinks we can scale his Durability to Touka's Raikiri with a + at the very least.
@Crazystarf: Idk if we can scale his durability to Kusanagi since that is crapton high for this verse's durability, but it makes sense I guess. I'd rather we wait for more feats from him though.
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I agree. After all, Reisen did manage to do some damage to Stella with an undefined number of those attacks from before (but at least 3). But if we're going with that, then we should put an "at least" there. His physical AP could be scaled to Ikki.
 
We only have the surface of the Arena though

And.... Is not better to take the part when the narrator says "reduce to atoms" (or something like that) and calc the AP?
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
We only have the surface of the Arena though
And.... Is not better to take the part when the narrator says "reduce to atoms" (or something like that) and calc the AP?
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I don't get what you mean by that. The ring is 100m wide. Reisen destroyed 1/4 of it. Pretty simple.

No. Reisen destroying 1/4 of the arena is a feat, the attack being able to reduce a human to atoms is not only a statement (remember, feats > statements), but it's also hyperbole. Even if it wasn't hyperbole, the result would probably be an outlier.
 
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