Kung Fu Panda : Paws of Destiny Revisions ( Possible Massive Upgrade for High-End Top - God tiers )

[GyroNutz]

When? The only time Jindiao struggled was when they were seperating Jindiao's soul from his body, which is hax not AP.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Did somebody request one of the calc people to do a calc of the meteor yet

 

[GyroNutz]

Did somebody request one of the calc people to do a calc of the meteor yet

Artistic-style feats can't be calced apparently, but we can still use the context of the feat to assume how powerful it would be.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Well Antavisma requested for us to do a calc so we could be specific

 

[JJSliderman]

Before his soul came out, Jindiao was visibly in pain and flailing around when hit by the chi attacks.

 

[GyroNutz]

He was likely trying to stop his soul from coming out.

 

[JJSliderman]

If he was trying to stop his soul from coming out, then the Pandas overpowered him and forced his soul out.

 

[GyroNutz]

The pandas overcame his soul manip resistance. If they overpowered him, there'd likely be visible signs of harm on Jindiao's body.

 

[JJSliderman]

I'm not really sure what kind of damage chi would leave on his body. I think it might be easier to say they were hurting him than to say he was struggling to keep his soul in his body and the attacks were doing no physical damage whatsoever. In order to push his soul out of his body, the power must have been at least comparable to Jindiao.

 

[GyroNutz]

You don't need comparable AP to seperate someone's soul from their body. That would also go against the scene just prior to this, where all the four constellations and Po attack Jindiao with all their strength and are unable to do anything but annoy him.

 

[JJSliderman]

I'm not really sure it was all their strength, because before they hit Jindiao with their chi beams they charged up and did the poses and everything. That attack seemed a lot more like it was giving their best effort. They could still take hits from him too, and they seem to have gotten stronger in S2 to the point they can more comfortably handle Wellspring amped beings outside the Spirit World. They don't even go into the Spirit World in S2.

 

[GyroNutz]

Here's the fight outside of the Spirit Realm for reference. Jindiao merely shaking them off requires Nu Hai to be healed. Fan Tong hits Jindiao several times with his chi blade and does absolutely nothing.

They staggered the White Bone Demon with attacks it wasn't expecting, plus WBD was hit hard with the PIS stick for the whole fight.

 

[Antvasima]

We obviously cannot make everybody in the panda village and all of the people they have fought High 3-A. It doesn't seem like Jindiao truly had anywhere near infinite power if they could harm him.

 

[GyroNutz]

They seperated his soul through hax. You can't seperate someone's soul from their body by overpowering them.

 

[Antvasima]

Perhaps somebody should start a new thread with an initial summary of the discussion so far, and then invite various staff members to help out here?

 

[JJSliderman]

No, not everyone they've fought. Just everyone who put up a fight against the pandas when they used chi, since the chi the Pandas use is way above their physical strength used for most normal characters. I feel like PiS shouldn't be used for every hit the characters landed on the Bone Demon. They took its hits, they staggered it, this was a while after the fight with Jindiao, they could have just gotten stronger. I do think the Dragon Form is stronger, but the characters using chi outside the Spirit World shouldn't be that far below, due to fighting similar characters and achieving almost comparable results in later showings.

 

[GyroNutz]

Alright, I'm going to add the current profiles now with the lowballed ratings. Stuff like High 3-A/4-A ratings and speed ratings I'll leave for another thread, along with some other stuff I want to bring up about the verse, so they can be evaluated more clearly as per Ant's suggestion. In case anyone's wondering, Jindiao tanked a charged, combined attack from the four amped constellations, each of whom is baseline 6-A.

 

[Antvasima]

I have now watched the first 12 episodes of the series, and Jindiao's attacks were only shown capable of gradually burning a small village even at full power. We can still scale him from being more than 5x stronger than a power sufficient to reflect a large meteorite, but that feat first needs to be properly calculated.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I have now watched the first 12 episodes of the series, and Jindiao's attacks were only shown capable of gradually burning a small village even at full power. We can still scale him from being more than 5x stronger than a power sufficient to reflect a large meteorite, but that feat first needs to be properly calculated.

That's a textbook AoE fallacy though, no? Just because his attacks were initially only shown to burn a small village does not necessarily mean it is a outlier.

 

[Antvasima]

We only have unproven likely hyperbole speculation about anything higher than tier 6. Anything beyond that would be a too ridiculous discrepancy of scale against all that we have seen in the series.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

We only have unproven likely hyperbole speculation about anything higher than tier 6. Anything beyond that would be a too ridiculous discrepancy of scale against all that we have seen in the series.

You could maybe argue it's hyperbole, but it doesn't actually fit any of the definition of speculation. These are things said by knowledgeable characters who are considered reliable based on our statement rulings.

 

[Antvasima]

There is too great difference between characters that only have tier 8 feats of their own and claims of infinite power. Sorry, but that can never be considered reliable until we see far more extreme feats from the characters.

I would appreciate collaboration with getting screencaptures of the meteorite feat and asking for a calculation. Nothing will happen here until then.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

There is too great difference between characters that only have tier 8 feats of their own and claims of infinite power. Sorry, but that can never be considered reliable until we see far more extreme feats from the characters.

That would be a outlier, not a example of speculation. While I'm not saying you're wrong, those are two very different things Ant.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, an offhanded mention about needing more power than the spirit realm should not be taken overly seriously when it strongly contradicts everything else that we know about the series.

 

[GyroNutz]

I have now watched the first 12 episodes of the series, and Jindiao's attacks were only shown capable of gradually burning a small village even at full power.

He didn't want to burn the village down though, he wanted to scare the pandas into working with him due to their proficiency in chi. Even then, base Jindiao scales above Ke-Pa who dealt considerably more destruction than dragon Jindiao with his own fire breath.

 

[Andytrenom]

I'm still firmly against the "power of the entire spirit realm=power needed to destroy the spirit realm" idea that has been presented btw

 

[GyroNutz]

I'd rather leave the High 3-A/4-A discussions for the next thread, this one's pretty messy.

 

[Antvasima]

@Andy

I think that it is "power of the entire spirit realm=power needed to escape the spirit realm" actually, but I agree with you.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Ant If the argument is that "power of the spirit realm" is a tier that corresponds to the size of the realm (eg 4-A for containing numerous stars) then you are essentially arguing that power of the spirit realm is equal to the power needed to destroy the realm, that's what I meant

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[JJSliderman]

It's not necessarily that power of a realm equates to its size, but if the realm is infinite, then it can't really have finite energy. Also there's the thing about the Wellspring being the source of all light in the universe, which is definitely not hyperbole given the Wellspring stopped a drought, made the trees grow, and parted the clouds blocking the sun upon being freed, and the Wellspring contains actual chi energy and has never been referred to as metaphorical before. But alright; save for second thread I guess

 

[Antvasima]

There should be no second thread about this. All of it is based on wild wishful thinking speculation, and completely contradicts the established scale of the setting.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

We are treating the Paws of Destony verse as it's own variant, not as the same as the original, so thusly there isn't really an established scale for Paws of Destiny .

 

[Antvasima]

It is a continuation of the old series as far as I am aware. In addition, the feats within PoD are still of a roughly comparable scale in general.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

There should be no second thread about this. All of it is based on wild wishful thinking speculation, and completely contradicts the established scale of the setting.

I fail to see how it is wishful thinking in any capacity. Mind explaining Ant? That would be very helpful

 

[Antvasima]

Well, an offhanded mention about needing more power than the spirit realm should not be taken overly seriously when it strongly contradicts everything else that we know about the series.

It completely contradicts all of the other displayed feats of the setting, and is based on a casual comment, and trying to interpret it into a pattern, that was likely not intended to be taken nearly so seriously by the writers of the show.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

If nothing else, it was by no means a casual comment and was a major plot point. You're definitely over stating how small it's significance was.

 

[Antvasima]

It was a casual comment based on what I have seen so far, but I haven't watched episode 13 yet.

 

[JJSliderman]

Wasn't really a casual comment.

It was said by a Kung Fu Master, who's been in the Spirit World for years, as a direct response to a question of whether Jindiao could escape.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

It completely contradicts all of the other displayed feats of the setting, and is based on a casual comment, and trying to interpret it into a pattern, that was likely not intended to be taken nearly so seriously by the writers of the show.

I thought writer intentions aren't to be considered.