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I already posted this and my thoughts in the KFP4 discussion thread. Would not recommend the movie tbh but all the same, last spoiler warning.
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The Chameleon's power level is weird. There's one of two interpretations that can be made - either the Chameleon is as strong as the character she is shapeshifting into or her strength is constant, equal to Po's level. There's one quote that stands out in particular:
"I'm stronger than any opponent you've faced because I am every opponent you've faced."
The Chameleon gets stronger and more skilled by absorbing the moves of every Kung Fu Master villain in the spirit realm. This is further shown by how the other masters became powerless after being hit by Chameleon's tongue attack. She's also able to use other characters abilities while in other shapeshifted forms (e.g. fire breath, her tongue attack). With this, I think two conclusions can be made:
-Po was able to take numerous attacks from himself well, including Chameleon's strongest attacks, so his durability should (up)scale from his AP.
-Po KO'd the Chameleon (who was somewhat weakened) in a single chi attack. Po's chi should largely upscale from his physical attacks.
All three points are consistent with how Po is treated in the rest of the canon. This also means that, as the Chameleon's AP =/= the form she is in, Shen and Tai Lung do not scale to this Po. General Kai is the weird one, since most of the power he had was not his own, and assuming KFP 3 wasn't completely retconned, he lost the chi of every master he took it from. And when he fought Oogway (start of KFP3), he noted that Kai had grown stronger, which is where we learn that Kai had taken the chi of every master AND where he performed his 7-C feat. So here's what I'm proposing:
KFP4 Po/Chameleon AP: At least 8-B (Po can harm Chameleon, who is equal in power to Po and at least superior to Kai before he started stealing chi. Should be superior to his KFP3 self), likely 7-C (Chameleon was stated to be Po's strongest opponent, and his greatest villain, and should therefore be stronger than the Kai that Po fought). At least 7-C with Mastery of Chi (Po's chi usage is likely stronger than before. He ko'd Chameleon in a single chi strike)
Abilities
Po is able to create gusts of wind and ground tremors with his physical attacks, which have noticeable effects on villagers near his demonstrations. Not really combat applicable, but this gives him limited Air Manipulation and Vibration Manipulation.
Po is able to break magically enchanted cages, which were believed by the Chameleon (Po's physical equal) to be unbreakable. So Po has some limited Resistance to Magic as he's able to physically overcome magic that he shouldn't otherwise.
Po saw Chameleon's plan through his dreams, which Chameleon confirmed was what actually happened. This is Clairvoyance (though not combat applicable).
With chi, Po is able to take the stolen powers and return it to the other masters. This counts for Power Bestowal and another form of Absorption.
Po should also get a skill upgrade. Despite the flimsy writing, Po is considered to be enough of a master to move on from being the Dragon Warrior and become the next spiritual leader (a la Oogway). He also fought on par with Chameleon, who had the combined skill of Kai, Tai Lung and numerous other masters.
Minor thing, but Tai Lung gets hit by his own nerve attack technique (from the Chameleon) and is able to move and talk afterwards. Considering the Furious Five were explicitly unable to do this, and the Chameleon's nerve strike is a replica of Tai Lungs, then Tai should get limited Resistance to Pressure Points.
AP
The Chameleon's power level is weird. There's one of two interpretations that can be made - either the Chameleon is as strong as the character she is shapeshifting into or her strength is constant, equal to Po's level. There's one quote that stands out in particular:
"I'm stronger than any opponent you've faced because I am every opponent you've faced."
The Chameleon gets stronger and more skilled by absorbing the moves of every Kung Fu Master villain in the spirit realm. This is further shown by how the other masters became powerless after being hit by Chameleon's tongue attack. She's also able to use other characters abilities while in other shapeshifted forms (e.g. fire breath, her tongue attack). With this, I think two conclusions can be made:
-Po was able to take numerous attacks from himself well, including Chameleon's strongest attacks, so his durability should (up)scale from his AP.
-Po KO'd the Chameleon (who was somewhat weakened) in a single chi attack. Po's chi should largely upscale from his physical attacks.
All three points are consistent with how Po is treated in the rest of the canon. This also means that, as the Chameleon's AP =/= the form she is in, Shen and Tai Lung do not scale to this Po. General Kai is the weird one, since most of the power he had was not his own, and assuming KFP 3 wasn't completely retconned, he lost the chi of every master he took it from. And when he fought Oogway (start of KFP3), he noted that Kai had grown stronger, which is where we learn that Kai had taken the chi of every master AND where he performed his 7-C feat. So here's what I'm proposing:
KFP4 Po/Chameleon AP: At least 8-B (Po can harm Chameleon, who is equal in power to Po and at least superior to Kai before he started stealing chi. Should be superior to his KFP3 self), likely 7-C (Chameleon was stated to be Po's strongest opponent, and his greatest villain, and should therefore be stronger than the Kai that Po fought). At least 7-C with Mastery of Chi (Po's chi usage is likely stronger than before. He ko'd Chameleon in a single chi strike)
Abilities
Po is able to create gusts of wind and ground tremors with his physical attacks, which have noticeable effects on villagers near his demonstrations. Not really combat applicable, but this gives him limited Air Manipulation and Vibration Manipulation.
Po is able to break magically enchanted cages, which were believed by the Chameleon (Po's physical equal) to be unbreakable. So Po has some limited Resistance to Magic as he's able to physically overcome magic that he shouldn't otherwise.
Po saw Chameleon's plan through his dreams, which Chameleon confirmed was what actually happened. This is Clairvoyance (though not combat applicable).
With chi, Po is able to take the stolen powers and return it to the other masters. This counts for Power Bestowal and another form of Absorption.
Po should also get a skill upgrade. Despite the flimsy writing, Po is considered to be enough of a master to move on from being the Dragon Warrior and become the next spiritual leader (a la Oogway). He also fought on par with Chameleon, who had the combined skill of Kai, Tai Lung and numerous other masters.
Minor thing, but Tai Lung gets hit by his own nerve attack technique (from the Chameleon) and is able to move and talk afterwards. Considering the Furious Five were explicitly unable to do this, and the Chameleon's nerve strike is a replica of Tai Lungs, then Tai should get limited Resistance to Pressure Points.
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duly noted
