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Kung Fu Panda : Paws of Destiny Revisions ( Possible Massive Upgrade for High-End Top - God tiers )

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I guess there's three options for god tiers.

1. High Universe Level via scaling off Jindiao needing infinite energy to escape the Spirit World.

2. SS-MSS via fighting Wellspring amped beings, the Wellspring being stated as being the source of all light in the universe.

3. Being massively above Black Tortoise's meteor defense feat and the cloud parting feats.

As for scaling, the ending makes it possible that every character in the series scales off of the distilled Wellspring due to its chi power being inside everyone, but it might be necessary to wait for the third season to see that. Otherwise, Furious Five tiers may be able to scale to a depowered Sun Wukong (without his crown) and his dimension creation stuff, or they stay at Large Building.
 
So far I would prefer if somebody calculates option #3, but it depends on what other staff members think.
 
Fight's about a minute i (NSFW ads btw), Po lands a solid hit knocking Jindiao out for a few seconds. Later in the fight, he restrains Jindiao long enough for the four constellations to land a charged combined hit on his face. I think this Po should scale fully.

Outside of the Spirit Realm however, Jindiao literally shakes off numerous chi-amped attacks from the four constellations and Po, and only gets stalled when zhizhu throws some rocks on him (lol) and everyone in the village concentrates their chi to seperate Jindiao's soul from his body, which is more hax than AP.

Also Po is far stronger than the Furious Five at this point too, so they don't scale to Jade Tusk.
 
If Empress Zhao, a character with absolutely no prior Kung Fu experience, can put up a fight against Jade Tusk and destroy the Wellspring-infused terra cotta warriors, then I feel like the Furious Five should at least be comparable.
 
Well, no, but I'm just saying that the Furious Five should be comparable to base form characters in this new series.

This assumes that they didn't get any stronger after KFP3, when they probably did.

That's why there should be two keys, one for non-chi and one for chi, since using chi grants much higher power than with physical strikes.
 
Po also probably got a similar amount stronger after KFP3 too. Jade Tusk being harmed by Empress Zhao is just a low end outlier tbh.
 
Tbh I still feel like the Furious Five should be comparable just by virtue of being top-tier Kung Fu Masters, but I guess we can cross that bridge later.
 
We still need some staff evaluations.
 
"The Big Bad, using Po's Hero Chi & The 4 Constellations was able to deatroy the barrier of the spirit world with casual ease. It is stated that only thise who have powers rivaling that if the whole Spirit World can break the barrier ( episode 11 of Paws of Destiny L

Said Spirit World has been shown in the past to contain coutnless stars, and heavily implied as a parallel universe that has no boundaries. At bare minimum we see a sun in Paws of Destiny."

I see, but why does size matter in this case? Wouldn't population matter more? Unless you're taking "Whole Spirit World" to mean the world literally physically trying to tear open the barrier.
 
When it says "more energy than the Spirit World itself", it means you have to have more energy than the Spirit World in order to escape it. A world having energy is kinda weird but I like to imagine it means life force, Stellar energy, basically everything that gives off power. And Jindiao had more energy than the whole Spirit world, which White Tiger confirmed was infinitely sized.
 
I'm pretty sure its refering to the Spirit World's population, given that phrase is usually used that way, unless you guys have explicit proof.
 
I don't think that is the case , Data: "The Spirit Realm is a place of great power. It would take an even greater power to get out" ... This is essentially how he described it. And combine this with the statements prior about the spirit world being sentient and describing the power of the spirit world rather than it's population when describing the Spirit World makes it clear he's referring to the world itself, not it's population.
 
Like I said, at this point you would need verbatim / scans of what is said.

Not to mention, size wouldn't matter even then. Life energy or spiritual energy would have to naturally still be equal to the world's size in AP. Which would require the world literally having a feat.

Examples: We don't treat Frieza as High 4-C / 4-B for surviving a Spirit Bomb powered by Namek's solar system.
 
I think that SomebodyData makes sense.
 
I've done a bit more research; 100 billion stars is the estimate for the number of stars in our milky way galaxy (even then I've seen sources put it at 200-300 billion), whereas other sources put it at 10^21, or one sextillion stars (also linked by JJ above).

Putting these new values into the calculation above gives me (3.827 * 10^26) * 10^21 * (4.32\ *10^17), which is equal to 1.653264×10^65 Joules, or 1.653264 ZettaFoe
 
...You found a calculation method for spiritual energy? Or are you assuming destroying the spirit world barrier = destroying the spirit world?
 
This isn't to do with calculating spiritual energy, it's about calculating the total energy outputted as light in the universe.

Edit: It's just a few messages up, but alright. The Wellspring is stated to be the source of all light in the universe and has been around since the universe's creation. So I calculated how much light energy would be outputted by the universe's celestial bodies over the span of the universe's lifetime.
 
It's never referred to as population. It's just "the energy of the Spirit World", as in the world itself, including the population. Besides, if the world is infinite size, it should have infinite energy. Breaking out of the Spirit World requires actual strength and not just dimension hopping abilities.
 
@Gryo Think you're jumping the gun then.

@JJSlider the phrase can be used for both ideas, normally towards population rather than the actual world exerting destructive force. It's like the Spirit Bomb example I gave.
 
That's sort of a apples to oranges comparison. The Spirit Bomb is actually asking the people to lend their energy in order to generate the Spirit Bomb. There are very few actual Kung fu masters shown in the Spirit World to give energy to counteract Jindiao , and seeing as it has never been done before Jindiao, it would mean that this is a force beyond anything in the Spirit World before. Combined with the fact that the masters refer to the Spirit World as an entity with no borders and the wellspring's energy is referred to as limitless and "the source of all chi, light, and life in the universe", it feels like they're more referring to the energy of the world itself, seeing as the world is meant to contain the souls of dead Kung fu masters and stop them from escaping unless they amass enough power to do so. Kai could only escape to the real world after absorbing Oogway's Chi, and Oogway had the same hero Chi as Po. In order to escape the Spirit World, you must have more energy than the world itself can contain.
 
Except, by your example, that would mean Oogway's Chi is more than the Spirit World can handle. Yet, Oogway was there for the majority of the time with no problem.

Apples to oranges? The source of the attack doesn't matter, I'm comparing the phrases. Not to mention everyone was dead on namek...

Like, I said, we really can't get more in-depth without verbatim / scans at this point.
 
Oogway didn't escape because he didn't WANT to escape. He says it himself in the third movie. Also, he might not have been quite strong enough. He was close, but his chi wasn't quite on the level of Jindiao despite being hero chi. The scans are probably in the OP.
 
the scans aren't in the OP.

I'd offer to look for myself, but I'm busy these days, so not sure I can atm.

Regardless, if the energy is more than the world can even actually handle, it wouldn't matter if he didn't want to or not, it would have been enough to shatter the barrier by simply being there.
 
If we're still arguing High 3-A stuff, the wellspring is stated on more than one occasion to also be a source of limitless chi energy, and Jindiao absorbed it in its entirety.
 
I'm neutral on whichever of the two gets added, so long as we're sensible with who scales
 
I am not sure, but if people want to verify any information, the entire "Paws of Destiny" series is now available as a torrent on ********.
 
Okay. But isn't the finger hold a hax that is much stronger than his regular attacks?
 
The finger hold is hax, the chi wave sent from it as an after effect is AP based and should be comparable to or weaker than Po's regular chi attacks.
 
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