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Kung Fu Panda : Paws of Destiny Revisions ( Possible Massive Upgrade for High-End Top - God tiers )

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Idk, if the stuff about the wellspring + escaping the spirit realm is accepted then High 3-A. If not, then whatever tier the asteroid/cloud parting feat gets. Dragon Jindiao scales above both.

The wellspring was stated to be the source of all light in the universe, is that quantifiable in any way?
 
I don't know if lighting up a universe and being the source of all light in the universe are the same thing.
 
The sun has a solar luminosity of 1, which is the equivalent of 3.827 x 10^26 watts, and there's estimated to be around 100 billion suns in the universe. Assuming the average light emitted from a star is the same as the sun (1 unit of solar luminosity), every second each star gives off 3.827×10^37 J, which is likely around the same as the amount of energy the Wellspring gives off each second. Since the wellspring has been around since the start of the universe, and there are 4.32 x 10^17 seconds since the big bang, it has a total energy pool of 1.653264×10^55 J, or 165.3264 Megafoe, which is 4-B.

...I think
 
Oh yeah, the end of the episode has the power of the Wellspring go into every person in the series, even the normal citizens. So the Furious Five and Shifu might be upgraded. Although Xu Xi stated that it was all the chi on the planet that went into them so idk. Wellspring was also stated to be the source of all light and life in the universe, and a de powered Sun Wukong created a dreams dimension which may contain a star, and Jade Tusk overpowers and ties him up. Jade Tusk seems to be Furious Five tier.
 
Well, it'd be distilled down pretty heavily. Only dragon Jindiao and Po scale to the full result, the constellations scale to 1/4 of the result when amped by the original constellation's chi.
 
Also I'm pretty sure there's a third season happening, so I'd like some evidence that the wellspring granted celestial level strength to everyone before we get stuff like 4-B Mr. Ping.
 
True. But if the Wellspring did have limitless, and therefore infinite, energy, then even a distilled portion of that would still be infinite. Or at least, they'd scale off Black Tortoise and maybe a de powered Wukong, seeing as the constellations and Po fought him without chi. Something to think about.
 
I mean, if the wellspring had limitless energy then wellspring amped Po and the villagers should have also been High 3-A, yet they got stomped by Jindiao. I just want confirmation before scaling everyone to the complete god tiers of the verse.

Slightly off-topic, but where do we think the White Bone Demon scales in this?
 
White Bone Demon's armor should be High 3-A assuming we are going with High 3-A. The Constellation Chi wasn't even able to scratch it at first, while it caused major damage to Jindiao. The Bone Demon was also amped by the Wellspring. Its weak point, the Red Jade, is probably around the same tier as the Furious Five, seeing as Empress Xiao broke it easily with her tusk blade. After which, the Wellspring caused the end of the drought and brought the sun back out, likely due to that whole "light of the universe" thing.

We could also make two keys for Wukong, with and without his crown, seeing as with it he could fight Wellspring-amped Bone Demon, and without it he was helpless against it.
 
The White Bone Demon no-sold dozens of attacks from the four constellations, yet was staggered from Po's chi attacks when Po's wellspring amp had depleted. Granted Po was attacking with Nu Hai. She also got knocked over by an airship explosion, though her armour wasn't damaged whatsoever, and was also undamaged by being yeeted over the horizon really quickly, which given her weight would probably give decent results. I feel like she's a stone wall; her AP doesn't seem impressive other than she was likely going to one-shot Po and the four constellations all at once at one point.
 
I think that literally infinite power would either be a misunderstanding or extreme outlier if all other feats are of an extremely more local scale, and "all light in the universe" sounds more like a metaphorical statement regarding that it is the main force of "good, hope, and justice" or somesuch.
 
It has to be infinite power for Jindiao to escape a dimension that requires more energy than the dimension itself when the dimension is infinitely sized. Chi is also basically energy and the wellspring is the source of all chi so it's not metaphorical.
 
If the characters are never remotely treated as having the power to easily blow up the observable universe, it would still be a massive outlier that was poorly considered or ignored by the writers.

Chi is a type of life force, it is not all types of energy, but again, if the characters are regularly treated as far less powerful in practice, we should probably scale from the meteorite feat or similar.
 
I don't really see it, especially since the meteor feat is way below what Jindiao is capable of, seeing as it was a super casual feat by a character far below peak Jindiao, and characters like the depowered Sun Wukong that Jindiao is also likely above have feats that could easily be in the stellar range. Chi in the series is also seen as an amp for power, seeing as characters with more chi are seen as far more powerful than characters with less chi. Kai was destroyed for trying to absorb all of of Po's chi because the energy was simply too much, and Kai grew stronger the more chi he absorbed. Chi might as well be energy, and it's described as the energy of life itself for the entire universe. Jindiao was also treated as a threat to the entire Spirit World, I'm pretty sure.
 
Literally infinite power is an extreme outlier, or the characters would at the very least completely effortlessly absolutely overwhelm any regular opposition, and they definitely do not.

We could use an "at least ..., likely higher" rating based on the meteorite feat, but it needs to be calculated first.
 
Antvasima said:
"all light in the universe" sounds more like a metaphorical statement regarding that it is the main force of "good, hope, and justice" or somesuch.
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Two things:

  • This is, iirc, the first time light would be used to describe forces of good, especially since it's stated more than once to be the source of all life and all light, with good forces (and bad forces) coming under all life.
  • The wellspring has a close link to nature. When it was stolen, there was a massive drought and other unnatural occurrences. To say that they mean light in a natural sense isn't a stretch imo.
In terms of outliers, the only people who would scale fully are Dragon form Jindiao (who absorbed the entire Wellspring) and dragon form Po (who fought evenly with him). This dragon form of Po only applies when he's in the spirit realm, and is an amp we haven't seen at any other point. The four constellations with their amps also scale to 1/4 of the wellspring as their combination attack harmed Jindiao. This also seems to be temporary, given that in season 2 Po's hero's chi seems to be comparable to theirs despite Po not even being amped by the wellspring at this point.
 
I disagree because for the most part the Constellaltions are hyped as the strongest chi users besides those scaling to the Wellspring, and the fact that they hold back quite a bit against regular people and the only time they go all out is when they are either a threat to said wellspring, or use said welllspring as a amp.
 
It does take place after KFP3 I agree , there were several hints about that in the series of Paws of Destiny. I"m just certain someone said something like "because KFP3 is referenced in Paws doesn't mean it's canon to KFP Movies"... My respond to that is we haven't seen any KFP Movies so we can't exactly make that distinction yet. But they do reference the major plot points in KFP3 so it is safe to say until further evidence that it is canon to the Movies.
 
You should preferably ask other VS Battles Staff members (administrators and discussion moderators) to help out with evaluating this.
 
I'm in college now so I didn't have time to give every moderator/admin a shout out... But I notified at least 5. Once I get home I'll notify the others.
 
You don't have to ask all of them.
 
JJSliderman said:
The dragon form doesn't seem like a buff. It's described as Po's true form when in the spirit realm.
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Yet when Po came out of the Spirit Realm with his hero's chi rejuvenated, he was no longer capable of fighting Jindiao on even grounds and had to resort to getting all the villagers + constellations to seperate + seal Jindiao's soul.
 
@JJ I was reading through your blog and came across this line:

"However, I discovered that there might actually be closer to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (That's 1 sextillion) stars in the universe. Redoing the calculation with this number gets 1.653264e+65 Joules, which is a very high end Multi-Solar System Level."

Interesting stuff, but I'd like the citation for there being around 1 sextillion stars please.
 
I just typed "How many stars are in the universe" and that's the number that came up.

From this site: https://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=3775

Also, Po was never really exactly on par with Jindiao. He was just holding him back and needed the power of the Constellations to knock him out of the Spirit World. He still scales, he's just not quite on the same level as Jindiao.
 
Yeah Po never directly scaled to him. Even outside of the Spirit Realm he was still able to stall Jindiao w/ his chi so it's clear he's somewhat comparable... Just not exactly on the same level.

If their variation of KFP3's Hero Chi is changed to the tier of the Spirit World it actually makes a lot of sense.

Wait when was it implied Furious Five scales to Tier 4 before the Wellspring Amp ? I mean I know it goes from depowered Sun Wukong, but I don't remember Jade Tusk being shown as comparable to the Five.
 
I feel like Jade Tusk is comparable, seeing as she was able to fight about evenly with Base Po without chi amps in the first season.
 
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