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Whilst getting tagged by sound waves in the same fight
If youre talking about his roar than you really dont understand his powerWhilst getting tagged by sound waves in the same fight
It wasnt a real piercing blood
True. Sukuna isn't powerful enough to create a real piercing blood.
I already explained it bruh He tanked Unlimited hollow purple and was half dead. Also Kashimo punched that Weakened Sukuna before Firing the sound waves we still see him side stepping in that handicap situation.Whilst getting tagged by sound waves in the same fight
Bruh for my defence his water piercing attack was never stated to be same speed as Choso's piercing blood. Also Even Kenjaku can dodge that shit so if Sukunas attacks lands on others & Gojo that means It's clearly faster than Kenjaku as Gojo is faster than Kenjaku.
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That has no statement for being same as Choso's piercing blood speed. Also I'm pretty sure it's speed depending upon how much character compresses and puts a pressure in it. I will check the other chapters for it later. But it shouldn't affect Sukuna.
Ok Thanks I will change the OP and Add your vote for
I already explained it bruh He tanked Unlimited hollow purple and was half dead. Also Kashimo punched that Weakened Sukuna before Firing the sound waves we still see him side stepping in that handicap situation.
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Here Fully healed SUKUNA can casually intercept Electro magnetic waves which is already fired. Without even trying.Sukuna got punched and disoriented before Kashimo fired that waves.
This scan does seems he did side stepped from that.
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Let's not do this man.
So even worse
It's canon that it can be fasterThat has no statement for being same as Choso's piercing blood speed. Also I'm pretty sure it's speed depending upon how much character compresses and puts a pressure in it. I will check the other chapters for it later. But it shouldn't affect Sukuna.
Kamo can use same piercing blood but he was even surprised seeing Choso's piercing blood.
Yeah for now
That 4 arm Sukuna scans was electro magnetic waves dodging feat bruh.
Oh I got what you mean but more importantly Sukuna only tagged Gojo with it when Gojo was fighting with Mahogara off-guard. So I think it's not gonna be much of an issue here. Also Sukuna mimics that because he can't use other CT when he was using TS. He needs to work on whatever he got you see.
Ok thanks
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Yeah I made a mistakeI think I made some mistakes. After Reading the fight Hakari vs Kashimo. Let me correct myself.
I didn't realise Hakari feat comes from when his domain was active. He gets one hell of an boost from that. Apart from that normally he is above Grade 1 Sorcerers I guess.
Also its clearly mentioned he gets faster inside his domain so his domain amp should have made him faster than his normal speed. It shouldn't Contradict anything when domains abilities are not publicly presented and it's a different thing. Also Kashimo was not from same era.
I will change my OP. Only Kashimo and Hakari with Jackpot scales to the current Calculation and 20F Sukuna and Gojo. I will remove the others from the list.
We can discuss 15F Sukuna feat once Kenjaku Blackhole feat gets Calculated I guess.
. Now corrected it.
I give it 2 chapters from now
"These people" refer to those persons you said you asked and gave you a negative answer.
I mean the only way she would scale to that feat is if
Let's stop arguing regarding Maki in this thread and there is a new calculation available for her (though it needs to be verified). If it accepted she would scale to Mach 6.
Gojo never blitzed Kenjaku though, he was literally reacting to his attack as I’ve already shown. And Sukuna jumped in with his own attack while Gojo was in the middle of trying to get Kenjaku. It also has to do with CT since every punch Gojo throws is with the use of his CT, while a sorcerers main tool of weapon is their CT. Maki scaling to Sukuna’s physicals wouldn’t have stopped her from getting murdered by his CT very easily, you restrict the use of Sukuna’s in a fight against Kenjaku and he’s doing significantly different in a fight against Kenjaku.
Prove this. Prove he “started sweating because he couldn’t see Gojo’s attack.” Last time I checked there was no stated reason why Kenjaku started sweating, and if it’s not found directly in the manga, then yes that would in fact be your interpretation.
Having a reaction to the attack heading towards you, is “reacting” to that attack. Definitionally. No amount of mental gymnastics changes that fact.
If Kenjaku was being blitzed by Gojo he wouldn’t have been able to start sweating whine the attack was coming his way in the first place. So no, the fact that he’s sweating clearly shows he can see the attack coming since he’s having a reaction to it.
Same, I’ve brought multiple showings directly related to speed. Such as:
Except for the fact that she on panel fights Sukuna and Sukuna himself literally compliments how impressive she is multiple times. Sukuna himself is a higher authority than your headcanon on the matter and he clearly indicates Maki is a cut above the rest.
By its definition, having a reaction to an attack coming means he “reacted” to something. That something being Gojo, stop trying to argue against literal definitions.
Are you ok?? What did I “make up”? The fact that Maki was fighting a Sukuna who couldn’t use his CT on her? Do you even know what the term “make up” means what. There’s literally no headcanon in me staying on panel facts, you really need to reread the definition of “headcanon” too.
You’ve literally been just lying about me throughout this entire post, which you always seem to do. Me saying Kenjaku having a reaction to Gojo’s attack isn’t an “interpretation”, it’s an on panel fact. Sweating while an attack is heading your way is “having a reaction” by its very definition.
Yeah that sweating is called “having a reaction,” that’s literally a reaction to Gojo attacking. Maybe the reason Kenjaku didn’t move was because he knew Sukuna was gonna intercept? Ever thought about that.
I never denied Kenjaku was gonna get killed by Gojo, you can stop strawmanning me now. But you’re literally talking nonsense when you try to say that Kenjaku sweating when Gojo starts attacking is somehow Kenjaku not having a reaction to Gojo’s attack.
Like this, this is just nothing but you lying. Please quote me where I said Kenjaku can “stop” Sukuna’s attack or are you just gonna keep lying?
Yes actually, your whole notion was disproven.
Why won’t that insurance be needed if they beat Sukuna again? Oh right because as Mei Mei explains,
"He only wants help if he gets weaker than me or you, that depends on circumstances, MS is off, Rika and I would be effective to hold off the 2 shikigamis" then he says "that insurance wont be needed if we can beat Sukuna now"
So why was Maki going to take Yuta’s place? Why would she jump in to help Gojo beat Sukuna? Shouldn’t they all be used as insurance against Sukuna? You’re saying Yuta is insurance for Sukuna, so if he fights Sukuna and dies that insurance is lost, but that doesn’t make sense. If he’s insurance for Sukuna then they wouldn’t LOSE their insurance by facing Sukuna, they’d be USING it since he’d be considered insurance for Sukuna himself. Meaning the whole statement Maki makes, makes no sense since they wouldn’t be talking about jumping Sukuna so that they can save Yuta as insurance because Yuta would be the insurance against Sukuna in your view.
You mean what Maki is saying…right? That’s literally what Maki was going to do, fight 20F Sukuna. Are you disputing the manga now?
You’re literally just adding things here and claiming I’m saying this.
Yes you are.
I didn’t “add Kenjaku there.” There you go lying about, Mei Mei herself added Kenjaku there since he was part of their conversation. And it does in fact go against your point since they wanted Yuta as the insurance for Kenjaku while they try to handle Sukuna if he beat Gojo, showing how he’s a threat.
Cool and a serious Sukuna gets tagged and has an extended hand to hand fight with Maki herself, objectively proving she scales to him. You bringing up any other instance doesn’t change from the fact that Maki herself fought Sukuna and blatantly traded direct blows with him. Meaning she scales since the feats are >>> whatever you say.
And then you said “this proves 15F Sukuna is stronger than teen Gojo.” All I did was also for this statement and how it proved that, and then you somehow say I “changed the purpose of your sentence” when I’m literally just asking for the statement in question.
Your own words were that it proves 15F Sukuna was stronger than Gojo so yeah I asked how the statement proves that. That’s not me “changing” anything, because that’s literally what you said. You need to keep track of the conversation you’re having.
Again I ask, are you ok?? You literally said the words that it proves he was above Gojo, and again Kenjaku being inferior to 15F Sukuna doesn’t disprove that he scales to him, especially when we’re talking about CT’s here which is Sukuna’s main source of offense.
I did not ignore any context, the fact that you blatantly ignored the argument before you shows that I didn’t. The fact that Megumi says Toji could be faster than Sukuna proves 3F isn’t a cap onto Toji’s speed and Toji could still be superior to Sukuna and be rivaling him in speed, showing no contradiction there. Again there’s also the fact that Toji wouldn’t necessarily be going all out against his son Megumi as well but again, you just fail to address those arguments.
Yes he is, Maki compares human Naoya’s speed to Naobito’s and demolishes him before she was even in Toji’s level. He performs the best blitzing feat against Dagon and takes Megumi away from the group before anyone of them can react. Feats and statements put Toji above Naobito in every way.
15F>~Maki (speed)~Toji (speed). She fought Sukuna herself and the feats speak for themselves.
Even at close distance Maki was taking on Naoya just fine before she was on Toji’s level and when she only had one eye no less. There’s even a sequence where Naoya is moving at top speed right behind her and she’s able to quickly turn her body around and punch him before he was even able to lone out of the way.
She said more than that. Her quote was “you and Naobito are not just extremely fast, I can tell something’s off about your technique.”
The thing is though, it’s not just “one statement” that supports this notion, it’s literally a multitude of instances from a variety of characters ranging from Naoya, to Ogi, to Maki, to even Naobito himself all displaying displaying that Naobito’s inferior to Toji in all regards, along with the fact that Toji displays equal if not superior feats to Naobito in all aspects when our in comparison to one another.
Even if they just had the same showing in speed, that would still prove Toji would be above 3F Sukuna in speed because he has equal showings to the faster than 8F Jogo level Naobito. Which at that point, if it’s established that 3F Sukuna level is not a cap for Toji’s speed, then there really is no reason to claim Naobito to be superior to him speed wise. It’s literally just about that one statement alone.
I’ve mentioned my grievances regarding this scaling chain before, but just to reiterate. I don’t think Megumi’s statement serves as a “cap” for Toji’s speed, the fact that he says he may be faster than Sukuna helps support that notion, but also the fact that Toji…wouldn’t be going all out against his son Megumi. So I really don’t see that statement serving as a cap for Toji’s speed, especially when he just blitzed everyone in the room and dragged Megumi outside (harmlessly by the way, he harmlessly dragged Megumi away from the battlefield), before anyone could react.
the same gege with the electromagnetic waves, black hole horizon thingy, previous speed feats before the mach 3 notion, etc? The same Gege who earlier thought some mfs in jjk was infinite speed and then mach 3?
Brother that subsonic ain't consistent either. The speed is all over the place.
YES. IT REALLY IS.the same gege with the electromagnetic waves, black hole horizon thingy, previous speed feats before the mach 3 notion, etc? The same Gege who earlier thought some mfs in jjk was infinite speed and then mach 3?
Isn’t the statement an outlier from Megumi? Maki (who is consistently stated to be equal to Toji) was able to keep up with 15 finger Sukuna and land hits on him (was stated that Sukuna’s physical MOVEMENT was unaffected, only his cursed energy was)
somebody already explained how it works. did you not see it?Whilst getting tagged by sound waves in the same fight
You're not getting it. These feats you're referring to, their exact speeds are derived from calcs, not the story. My point is that the story has been telling us that the characters aren't mach 500+ guys, they aren't relativistic either. And Gege never thought anyone was infinite speed, you misinterpreted that. The speed is only all over the place when we consider everything as an important speed feat, fortunately since Gege's writing a story he isn't taking into account every potential speed feat that could end up contradicting internet powerscaling. Remove the calcs, remove extracting stuff like emw being ls, remove Kashimo's lightning being lightning speed, and we end up with just cool abilities.the same gege with the electromagnetic waves, black hole horizon thingy, previous speed feats before the mach 3 notion, etc? The same Gege who earlier thought some mfs in jjk was infinite speed and then mach 3?
I don't have to agree with said explanation, especially when it's super vague how this actually applies to sound wave speed
Changing your vote to neutral.
There's still an ongoing discussion
Nah current debate they are discussing on Maki vs 15F Sukuna which is irrelevant to my thread now.
Honestly Maki vs 15F Sukuna they should move to General discussion thread instead of wasting it here. I already remove them from the scaling. 20F Sukuna has no relationship to Maki.
Idk how you did it but you quoted me when Planck is the one who said the quote lol
He has Lightining in base and Electro Magnetic waves in his CT active statement.
