Perceiving a Gojo who was going to blitz and kill Kenjaku and then blocking him will make you far above Kenjaku in speed and strength, his CT does not matter her because this scene alongside the other things I brought are mainly about physical stats
Gojo was going to blitz Kenjaku and kill him, Sukuna stopped him, Gojo didn't notice Sukuna when he came so Sukuna wasn't close but he immediately came and stopped Gojo, that has nothing to do with CTs, it's just Gojo and Sukuna clearly being far above Kenjaku in stats, if Maki is on 15F Sukuna's speed she can blitz Kenjaku and screw him up since Sukuna can react and block a Gojo who was going to blitz Kenjaku.
Gojo never blitzed Kenjaku though, he was literally reacting to his attack as I’ve already shown. And Sukuna jumped in with his own attack while Gojo was in the middle of trying to get Kenjaku. It also has to do with CT since every punch Gojo throws is with the use of his CT, while a sorcerers main tool of weapon is their CT. Maki scaling to Sukuna’s physicals wouldn’t have stopped her from getting murdered by his CT very easily, you restrict the use of Sukuna’s in a fight against Kenjaku and he’s doing significantly different in a fight against Kenjaku.
It's not an interpretation, you literally just made this up, Gojo immediately attacked and Kenjaku started sweating because he couldn't see Gojo,
Prove this. Prove he “started sweating because he couldn’t see Gojo’s attack.” Last time I checked there was no stated reason why Kenjaku started sweating, and if it’s not found directly in the manga, then yes that would in fact be your interpretation.
What you’re saying doesn’t even make sense, so Kenjaku can’t react to Gojo’s attack but his body can start sweating
because he can’t react to Gojo’s attack?? It’s literally nonsensical, actually makes zero sense.
then Sukuna stopped him, you are the one who has to show that Kenjaku can react and block that Gojo because that's not implied at all in that scene, it's a conclusion that you came to because the scene contradicts your scaling
Having a reaction to the attack heading towards you, is “reacting” to that attack. Definitionally. No amount of mental gymnastics changes that fact.
If Sukuna could react and act like 15F Sukuna he wouldn't have been stunned their sweating as if he doesn't know what to do, he clearly didn't see Gojo and that's why he shat on himself.
If Kenjaku was being blitzed by Gojo he wouldn’t have been able to start sweating whine the attack was coming his way in the first place. So no, the fact that he’s sweating clearly shows he can see the attack coming since he’s having a reaction to it.
You didn't prove show anything, almost everything I've brought up is related to speed but you couldn't bring anything other than CTs.
Sukuna blitzed Ryu.
Sukuna stopped a Gojo who was going to blitz Kenjaku.
Sukuna is above 3F Sukuna who rivals Toji in speed.
Same, I’ve brought multiple showings directly related to speed. Such as:
Maki perfectly keeping up with Sukuna
Kenjaku being able to reach to Gojo’s attack
Toji being above Naobito who is above Jogo in speed.
There's just too much evidence that makes Maki far below Sukuna.
Except for the fact that she on panel fights Sukuna and Sukuna himself literally compliments how impressive she is multiple times. Sukuna himself is a higher authority than your headcanon on the matter and he clearly indicates Maki is a cut above the rest.
And no you didn't prove he reacted to Gojo you literally made it up.
By its definition, having a reaction to an attack coming means he “reacted” to something. That something being Gojo, stop trying to argue against literal definitions.
You also made this up, my arguments are clearly showing speed feats or statements so saying its because of his CT is just way too much headcanon to take.
Are you ok?? What did I “make up”? The fact that Maki was fighting a Sukuna who couldn’t use his CT on her? Do you even know what the term “make up” means what. There’s literally no headcanon in me staying on panel facts, you really need to reread the definition of “headcanon” too.
Complimenting someone was already refuted by
@EldemadeDityjon and myself
Summary: Maki says Kenjaku is a challenge, the same Kenjaku who was clearly shown to be slower than Gojo and 15F Sukuna
15F Sukuna blitzed Ryu who can keep up with Yuta whom you just conceded in your post to be above Maki as I will mention later on in this post
And just like you basically do in every discussion, you again made something up and trying to push a case of "equal interpretations"
You’ve literally been just lying about me throughout this entire post, which you always seem to do. Me saying Kenjaku having a reaction to Gojo’s attack isn’t an “interpretation”, it’s an on panel fact. Sweating while an attack is heading your way is “having a reaction” by its very definition.
Trying to say the reason WHY Kenjaku is sweating however is an interpretation. This isn’t about “equal interpretations” like you try to strawman, this is about me giving you the manga panel and you coming up with an interpretation to justify that manga panel for your argument.
Gojo stands in front of Kenjaku
Tells him he's about to get executed
Goes to attack him
Kenjaku starts to sweat and doesn't make any move
Sukuna jumps to stop Gojo
Yeah that sweating is called “having a reaction,” that’s literally a reaction to Gojo attacking. Maybe the reason Kenjaku didn’t move was because he knew Sukuna was gonna intercept? Ever thought about that.
It's clear asf that Kenjaku was gonna get slaughtered there,
I never denied Kenjaku was gonna get killed by Gojo, you can stop strawmanning me now. But you’re literally talking nonsense when you try to say that Kenjaku sweating when Gojo starts attacking is somehow Kenjaku not having a reaction to Gojo’s attack.
you literally changed it to "well Gojo attacked, Kenjaku can react and stop him like how Sukuna did but he just sweated there for no reason, now this is what happened and your interpretation is a headcanon"
Like this, this is just nothing but you lying. Please quote me where I said Kenjaku can “stop” Sukuna’s attack or are you just gonna keep lying?
Nothing was disproved
Kenjaku was not mentioned in that statement talking about insurance but Sukuna was the one to get mentioned, in fact Yuta and Yuji didn't know about the strategy that Mei Mei mentioned, so no you can't use that as an interpretation to Yuta's words
Yes actually, your whole notion was disproven.
Nice try trying to ignore the context of the scene but no Mei Mei’s words about Kenjaku were specifically in reference to Maki and Yuta’s conversation about facing Sukuna and insurance.
"He only wants help if he gets weaker than me or you, that depends on circumstances, MS is off, Rika and I would be effective to hold off the 2 shikigamis" then he says "that insurance wont be needed if we can beat Sukuna now"
Why won’t that insurance be needed if they beat Sukuna again? Oh right because as Mei Mei explains,
“Because the rest of us can probably handle Kanjaku.” Yuta was insurance for Kenjaku.
1) Yuta was only going to try to hold off the 2 shikigamis
2) his role was to stay as an insurance in case Gojo was defeated
3) Maki clearly admit that Yuta is stronger than her
So why was Maki going to take Yuta’s place? Why would she jump in to help Gojo beat Sukuna? Shouldn’t they
all be used as insurance against Sukuna? You’re saying Yuta is insurance for Sukuna, so if he fights Sukuna and dies that insurance is lost, but that doesn’t make sense. If he’s insurance for Sukuna then they wouldn’t LOSE their insurance by facing Sukuna, they’d be USING it since he’d be considered insurance for Sukuna himself. Meaning the whole statement Maki makes, makes no sense since they wouldn’t be talking about jumping Sukuna so that they can save Yuta as insurance because Yuta would be the insurance against Sukuna in your view.
However you're saying
1)Maki was going to fight 20F Sukuna there
You mean what Maki is saying…right? That’s literally what Maki was going to do, fight 20F Sukuna. Are you disputing the manga now?
2)Maki is equal to 15F Sukuna in speed who can blitz Ryu who's around Yuta's speed who's all the insurance if Gojo lost
You’re literally just adding things here and claiming I’m saying this.
3) I'm misinterpreting stuff
Yes you are.
It doesn't go against anything, in fact they only wanted to hold off Mahoraga until Gojo kills Sukuna, neither Maki or Yuta wanted to fight Sukuna head on there, you made this up, just like you have added Kenjaku there.
I didn’t “add Kenjaku there.” There you go lying about, Mei Mei herself added Kenjaku there since he was part of their conversation. And it does in fact go against your point since they wanted Yuta as the insurance for Kenjaku while they try to handle Sukuna if he beat Gojo, showing how he’s a threat.
I already disproved this, and again you're basically agreeing that Yuta isn't below Maki, Ryu was keeping up with Yuta in speed and strength but was outspeed by Sukuna who wasn't serious then got blitzed by a serious Sukuna.
Cool and a serious Sukuna gets tagged and has an extended hand to hand fight with Maki herself, objectively proving she scales to him. You bringing up any other instance doesn’t change from the fact that Maki herself fought Sukuna and blatantly traded direct blows with him. Meaning she scales since the feats are >>> whatever you say.
You just tried to change the purpose of my sentence
I said Kenjaku doesn't scale to Sukuna, he never wanted to fight Gojo but he thinks 15F Sukuna is enough to beat Gojo.
And then you said “this proves 15F Sukuna is stronger than teen Gojo.” All I did was also for this statement and how it proved that, and then you somehow say I “changed the purpose of your sentence” when I’m literally just asking for the statement in question.
You literally changed that to "you are arguing that 15F Sukuna is superior to Gojo and this is invalid because Kenjaku doesn't know how strong Gojo is"
Your own words were that it proves 15F Sukuna was stronger than Gojo so yeah I asked how the statement proves that. That’s not me “changing” anything, because that’s literally what you said. You need to keep track of the conversation you’re having.
I have no clue why you did that when nobody was saying 15F Sukuna is above Gojo, I was literally using that as a proof that Kenjaku believes 15F Sukuna is above himself, really strange.
Again I ask, are you ok?? You literally said the words that it proves he was above Gojo, and again Kenjaku being inferior to 15F Sukuna doesn’t disprove that he scales to him, especially when we’re talking about CT’s here which is Sukuna’s main source of offense.
Nothing needs to be interpreted at all, Megumi says Toji is as fast as 3F Sukuna, maybe faster then after some chasing he says "his speed rivals Sukuna"
You are ignoring the context on purpose because it doesn't suit your argument, 3F Sukuna is around Toji in speed, it's a fact that's stated by someone who encountered both as opponents.
I did not ignore any context, the fact that you blatantly ignored the argument before you shows that I didn’t. The fact that Megumi says Toji could be faster than Sukuna proves 3F isn’t a cap onto Toji’s speed and Toji could still be superior to Sukuna and be rivaling him in speed, showing no contradiction there. Again there’s also the fact that Toji wouldn’t necessarily be going all out against his son Megumi as well but again, you just fail to address those arguments.
You did not.
You again made another thing up, Toji isn't faster than Naobito
Yes he is, Maki compares human Naoya’s speed to Naobito’s and demolishes him before she was even in Toji’s level. He performs the best blitzing feat against Dagon and takes Megumi away from the group before anyone of them can react. Feats and statements put Toji above Naobito in every way.
15F Sukuna > 3F Sukuna ~ Toji (speed)
15F Sukuna blitzed Ryu who is ~ Yuta
15F Sukuna is noticeably faster than Kenjaku whom they need to fight him all at once
15F>~Maki (speed)~Toji (speed). She fought Sukuna herself and the feats speak for themselves.
Yuta who is confident he can contend with Mahoraga and Agito from 20F Sukuna was being saved as insurance for Kenjaku while Maki was gonna head in to fight Sukuna, proving how he scales.
As if the fact that he took on a special grade sorcerer and an awakened first grade one at once wasn’t enough.
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Brother that subsonic ain't consistent either. The speed is all over the place.
