Jujutsu Kaisen Speed Upgrade

[EldemadeDityjon]

Thanks for @Amost6x calculations and got the permission to use this.

Hakari dodge lightning

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Both @DemonGodMitchAubin and @Dark-Carioca said the mach 547 end is fine.
Kashimo lightning works as how Real life lightining works and has same properties.

So characters who scales relative or above Hakari should be upgraded to this calculation.

Hakari was stated to be getting even faster later onwards so the what's in the calculation is not his top speed. Just saying.

Kashimo because he fought Hakari.

Jackpot Hakari ~ Kashimo

Weakend 20F Sukuna can keep up Kashimo

20F Sukuna ~ Kashimo

Post Prison Realm Gojo can keep up with Sukuna

Post Prison Realm Gojo ~ 20F Sukuna

Check these for reference

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This keeps getting better (or worse depending on where you stand) You're not wrong but hopefully it'll get better soon. The current issue is still determining Maki's scaling, right?

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I'm iffy on 3FSukuna~Toji statement. If I remember right, this comes from Megumi after being taken by Toji where he also states that none of his shikigami couldn't do anything to him. That would include Mahoraga.

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Spoiler: Rejected

Gojo is too much for Kenjaku and Kenjaku sees Yuta as just small threat. Also mentions Geto would have won instead of Yuta during their clash if it wasn't for Geto extending his Curses throughout Shinjuku. Additionally Kenjaku powers are implied to be same as Getos level without suffering any loss in Quality so they should scale to each other as Kenjaku is using Getos body itself. Yuki can keep up Kenjaku and beat him up.

Gojo > Kenjaku ~ Yuki >~ Yuta

Geto was able to keep with Bloodlusted Original Rika which later Yuta only has remnants. Culling Game Rika was able to keep up with Yuta and Ryu which should put JJK0 Rika as same tier as them in speed. Rika in Culling Game reached same Version as JJK0 Rika during her fight with Ryu and Uro.

Geto ~ Rika Culling game (Relative to yuta) ~ Rika in JJK0

Yuta because he's said to be only second to Gojo in unusual abilities/jujutsu. Additionally backed up by the fact when getting sealed Gojo brings up Yuta as his backup. Which should confirm Yuta is second only to Gojo in Modern Era. Which should put him above or atleast relative to Hakari. Uro and Ryu can keep up with Yuta.

Yuta > ~ Hakari
Yuta ~ Ryu ~ Uro

15F Sukuna Bliztes and One shot Ryu.

15F Sukuna > Ryu

TD:LR
Characters who will get upgraded​

• 20F Sukuna
• Post Prison Gojo
• Kashimo
• Jackpot Hakari

Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus (Admin), @Duedate8898 (Thread Mod), @Dereck03 (Thread Mod), @KingTempest (Thread Mod),

Neutral: @Damage3245 (Admin),

Disagree: @Planck69 (Thread Mod)

 

[Giannysmag]

I obviously agree with pretty much everything here

 

[Excellence616]

Finally Hypersonic Jjk. I agree

 

[Giannysmag]

Also to add a bit to this, Gojo is outright stated by the narrator to be the fastest sorcerer

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Also to add a bit to this, Gojo is outright stated by the narrator to be the fastest sorcerer

No need to bruh. I don't think anyone believes he is slower than Hakari .

 

[Giannysmag]

No need to bruh. I don't think anyone believes he is slower than Hakari .

Yea thats true. Also wasnt there an accepted MHS Gojo calc?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yea thats true. Also wasnt there an accepted MHS Gojo calc?

There was I guess?. I don't remember

 

[Giannysmag]

Random Gojo Feat

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Found it though there seems to be some contention in the comments

 

[SunDaGamer]

Random Gojo Feat

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Found it though there seems to be some contention in the comments

Only the Supersonic + end was accepted

 

[Giannysmag]

Only the Supersonic + end was accepted

The MHS end from the manga is also accepted

 

[SunDaGamer]

The MHS end from the manga is also accepted

Considering the explosion is totally overwith by the time we see Gojo at that distance, I dunno why we assume he just immediately vanished to that point in one fell swoop

The anime stuff is completely fine though -DMUA

There's also the issue that the anime depicts Gojo not moving until after the explosion started and that Gojo wouldn't need to dodge it in the first place due to Infinity

 

[Giannysmag]

There's also the issue that the anime depicts Gojo not moving until after the explosion started and that Gojo wouldn't need to dodge it in the first place due to Infinity

Alright

 

[Thebannanaworkshop]

Agree. JJK finally needed this

 

[SunDaGamer]

I'd say we should wait until we get to see Hakari vs Uraume to see how this scaling would hold up (Uraume was struggling with Piercing Blood's speed which is below Supersonic after its initial fire)

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I'd say we should wait until we get to see Hakari vs Uraume to see how this scaling would hold up (Uraume was struggling with Piercing Blood's speed which is below Supersonic after its initial fire)

No, they weren’t. They catch it pretty handily.

Also mentions Geto would have won instead of Yuta during their clash if it wasn't for Geto extending his Curses throughout Shinjuku.

This isn’t due to speed? Not to mention, this statement is outdated. This statement actually comes from the fanbook and Gege, stated it by himself, which goes up to Vol 15. The issue is that Geto winning is completely contradicted, as Kenjaku states Uzumaki is outright super condensed CE in the form of a blast, which is output. Ryu Ishigori has the highest output of all the players, of which Kenjaku is explicitly listed as a player, and Yuta is slightly inferior to him. Coupled with the fact that Vol 0 Yuta’s iteration of Rika is consistently stated to be superior to not only all of Geto’s curses, but 99% of jujutsu society, then I think it’s pretty imperative that a binding bow broken blast would still have overpowered Geto. Not even acknowledging the fact that Gojo himself admits Rika is worth him risking his life against, twice.

Vol 0 Rika > Yuta ~ Kenjaku > Ryu > Vol 0 Yuta > Geto.

Which should put him above or atleast relative to Hakari. Uro and Ryu can keep up with Yuta.

A suppressed, trying not to kill Yuta. Note that Yuta only saw meaning in the fight towards the end, after massive CE consumption. And we know that when Yuta gets passionate, his stats increase, again, his speed.

Also, where exactly is Maki, and therefore Toji? She, as revealed in the Vol 24 extras, blocks 15F Nue’s lightning. And then goes on to fighting 15F Sukuna, who is only suppressed in CE output for his techniques, not movement speed. This is not even mentioning that Kenjaku himself considers Maki one of Jujutsu High’s heaviest hitters, and one of their best chances on taking on weakened Sukuna. And yes, Nue’s lightning can be considered real, as it’s shown comparable characteristics.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

About Geto winning agaisnt Yuta if he was with all of his curses
That would be due the amount of other techniques that he would have at his disposal and not raw power
The very scene where Kenjaku is saying that is when he's basically bullying Itadori with hax

 

[Giannysmag]

This whole conversation about Geto and Yuta seems kinda pointless since Geto woudl just scale to Kenjakus physicals anyway

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Right, as long as Maki scales, then I agree with this thread.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This isn’t due to speed?

Getos speed wasn't lower than Fully Manifestation of Vol 0 Rika + Yuta.

Not to mention, this statement is outdated. This statement actually comes from the fanbook and Gege, stated it by himself, which goes up to Vol 15. The issue is that Geto winning is completely contradicted, as Kenjaku states Uzumaki is outright super condensed CE in the form of a blast, which is output. Ryu Ishigori has the highest output of all the players, of which Kenjaku is explicitly listed as a player, and Yuta is slightly inferior to him. Coupled with the fact that Vol 0 Yuta’s iteration of Rika is consistently stated to be superior to not only all of Geto’s curses, but 99% of jujutsu society, then I think it’s pretty imperative that a binding bow broken blast would still have overpowered Geto.

Geto was extending his CE to other Cursed spirits. Here Kenjaku literally states cursed energy is required to manipulate those and he can even amp fodder curses to beat Grade 1 Sorcerers. If Geto was fighting Yuta alone without Extending his CE. He would have still had upper hand.

Not even acknowledging the fact that Gojo himself admits Rika is worth him risking his life against, twice.

Adult Gojo > JJK0 Gojo there is literally has enough time gap between that. Also what this has anything to do with scaling chain?. Yuta lost his special grade status which shows he got weaker than JJk 0. He made a cameback still Rika (current version) plays a big role in Yutas CE reserves just like how Old Rika did.
Additionally Current Versions of Rika Evolved to JJK0 version during Ryu vs Yuta fight
I don't see any reason to Believe Yuta was stronger than JJK0 in culling game automatically. At best he is relative.

Vol 0 Rika > Yuta ~ Kenjaku > Ryu > Vol 0 Yuta > Geto.

We already went over this again and again I heavily Disagree with Yuta > Ryu.
In a fight Yuta sure wins but not in speed match up one on one. Yuta never blizted or shown any feats for capable of Blizting Ryu. So stop with this Holding back.

A suppressed, trying not to kill Yuta. Note that Yuta only saw meaning in the fight towards the end, after massive CE consumption. And we know that when Yuta gets passionate, his stats increase, again, his speed.

Stop Ignoring Geto dodging Bloodlusted Full powered output Yutas attack and next panel Geto takes a blind spot punch at best.

He needed to sacrifice himself to match up with the Getos Uzumaki. Which shows he was already going all out and needed additional amp.

Also, where exactly is Maki, and therefore Toji? She, as revealed in the Vol 24 extras, blocks 15F Nue’s lightning. And then goes on to fighting 15F Sukuna, who is only suppressed in CE output for his techniques, not movement speed. This is not even mentioning that Kenjaku himself considers Maki one of Jujutsu High’s heaviest hitters, and one of their best chances on taking on weakened Sukuna. And yes, Nue’s lightning can be considered real, as it’s shown comparable characteristics.

For now I don't care about Maki and Toji so make a new thread after this gets accepted. Me and Yukasama were discussing that in the General discussion thread and it's a pain to add it here. There are contention for that. So I'm really bothered to drag this thread for 6 pages like others Thread to upgrade just 2 characters.

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Anyway let's not change the thread into who wins or loses. This is just about speed.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

About Geto winning agaisnt Yuta if he was with all of his curses
That would be due the amount of other techniques that he would have at his disposal and not raw power
The very scene where Kenjaku is saying that is when he's basically bullying Itadori with hax

Well speed has nothing to do with raw power. Kenjaku has same Physical as Geto. Additionally Geto was casually keeping up with Yuta & Rika Despite Yuta going full throttle. Yuta lands only one blindspot hit at best. Also Rika in culling game reached the same state as JJK0 when Fighting Ryu. So it's better to say Geto ~ Yuta if you don't want to accept Geto > Yuta Kenjaku's statement.

 

[Arkenis]

I'd say we should wait until we get to see Hakari vs Uraume to see how this scaling would hold up (Uraume was struggling with Piercing Blood's speed which is below Supersonic after its initial fire)

Uraume even called it fast. How can a mach 500+ character logically think something that's around the sos or below ever say that?
We can just throw this out the window as Gege not thinking ahead or it's just a random one off statement, the series isn't really about being consistent in scaling.

Anyway agree overall.

 

[Arkenis]

We already went over this again and again I heavily Disagree with Yuta > Ryu.
In a fight Yuta sure wins but not in speed match up one on one. Yuta never blizted or shown any feats for capable of Blizting Ryu. So stop with this Holding back.

So true

This whole conversation about Geto and Yuta seems kinda pointless since Geto woudl just scale to Kenjakus physicals anyway

We should not scale Geto to Kenjaku, Kenjaku uses his own control of ce to amp himself, his knowledge of ce control compared to Geto's just isn't comparable.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Uraume even called it fast. How can a mach 500+ character logically think something that's around the sos or below ever say that?
We can just throw this out the window as Gege not thinking ahead or it's just a random one off statement, the series isn't really about being consistent in scaling.

Let's see how Hakari vs Uraume goes in future chapters and upgrade her later.

We should not scale Geto to Kenjaku, Kenjaku uses his own control of ce to amp himself, his knowledge of ce control compared to Geto's just isn't comparable.

Then how about this

Culling Game ( Yuta ~ Rika ) ~ JJK0 Rika ~ Geto

if this works. Geto does have pretty good speed feats against 2 vs 1 in JJK0.

 

[Arkenis]

Let's see how Hakari vs Uraume goes in future chapters and upgrade her later.

Personally fine with it, I think she can get mhs attack speed

Culling Game ( Yuta ~ Rika ) ~ JJK0 Rika ~ Geto

Yeah that's fine.

 

[Maitreya12]

Probably gonna get me a little crucified but

Not gonna lie, Hakari’s feat here always bothered me a little. This instance for him is the one and only supposed instance of him reacting to Kashimo’s lightning, and despite him apparently being able to react to this lightning at super close range, he’s never able to react to any other followup bolts even when they’re coming from a greater distance away.

There are other instances where he or a character may “react” to the lightning being generated, but it’s not some grand speed accomplishment most of the other times, like in this case here:

https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_188_tokyo7_009.png

Hakari “reacted” to the bolt of lightning hitting his head (which is why we can see him say “oh” right as the bolt is finished entering his skull), but again he wasn’t able to make a move to dodge it.

There’s also the instance where Nue, who can also generate lightning straight up tagged Maki with its attack despite the lightning coming up from a higher distance from above.

Again, Maki “reacted” to the lightning generated by Nue. However the amount of distance Maki needed to move in order to put her guard up is significantly lower than the amount of distance Nue’s lightning needed to travel in order to reach her, she wasn’t fast enough to completely dodge the attack despite noticing it coming a second prior.

I know there are other feats that put the characters at MHS and MHS+ ratings, like Sukuna’s reaction feat to Gojo’s 200% Hollow Purple, but the lightning speed timing feats have always been a little inconsistent in JJK to be perfectly honest.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Anyway let's not change the thread into who wins or loses. This is just about speed.

I will be responding to this, later.

 

[Arkenis]

Probably gonna get me a little crucified but

Not gonna lie, Hakari’s feat here always bothered me a little. This instance for him is the one and only supposed instance of him reacting to Kashimo’s lightning, and despite him apparently being able to react to this lightning at super close range, he’s never able to react to any other followup bolts even when they’re coming from a greater distance away.

There are other instances where he or a character may “react” to the lightning being generated, but it’s not some grand speed accomplishment most of the other times, like in this case here:

https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_188_tokyo7_009.png

Hakari “reacted” to the bolt of lightning hitting his head (which is why we can see him say “oh” right as the bolt is finished entering his skull), but again he wasn’t able to make a move to dodge it.

There’s also the instance where Nue, who can also generate lightning straight up tagged Maki with its attack despite the lightning coming up from a higher distance from above.

Again, Maki “reacted” to the lightning generated by Nue. However the amount of distance Maki needed to move in order to put her guard up is significantly lower than the amount of distance Nue’s lightning needed to travel in order to reach her, she wasn’t fast enough to completely dodge the attack despite noticing it coming a second prior.

I know there are other feats that put the characters at MHS and MHS+ ratings, like Sukuna’s reaction feat to Gojo’s 200% Hollow Purple, but the lightning speed timing feats have always been a little inconsistent in JJK to be perfectly honest.

In context that Hakari one is right after he just got hit by the steel door by Kashimo and likely was just disoriented by that hit.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Probably gonna get me a little crucified but

Not gonna lie, Hakari’s feat here always bothered me a little. This instance for him is the one and only supposed instance of him reacting to Kashimo’s lightning, and despite him apparently being able to react to this lightning at super close range, he’s never able to react to any other followup bolts even when they’re coming from a greater distance away.

There are other instances where he or a character may “react” to the lightning being generated, but it’s not some grand speed accomplishment most of the other times, like in this case here:

https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_188_tokyo7_009.png

Hakari “reacted” to the bolt of lightning hitting his head (which is why we can see him say “oh” right as the bolt is finished entering his skull), but again he wasn’t able to make a move to dodge it.

Actually what you got here is wrong. Kashimo crushes his head and makes the attack so he didn't had time to dodge and regenerate at same time. Especially when we take note head is weakest part and when this much damage occurs to it. Normally he shouldn't be even able to move. Other than that there are no feats for Hakari getting tagged. Let's not forget Kashimo lightining with Sure hit traits.

There’s also the instance where Nue, who can also generate lightning straight up tagged Maki with its attack despite the lightning coming up from a higher distance from above.

Again, Maki “reacted” to the lightning generated by Nue. However the amount of distance Maki needed to move in order to put her guard up is significantly lower than the amount of distance Nue’s lightning needed to travel in order to reach her, she wasn’t fast enough to completely dodge the attack despite noticing it coming a second prior.

That's why I didn't added Maki here. Haha. She doens't have any scaling chain to Hakari so don't bother.

I know there are other feats that put the characters at MHS and MHS+ ratings, like Sukuna’s reaction feat to Gojo’s 200% Hollow Purple, but the lightning speed timing feats have always been a little inconsistent in JJK to be perfectly honest.

There is FTL speed calculations in latest chapter.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

In context that Hakari one is right after he just got hit by the steel door by Kashimo and likely was just disoriented by that hit.

You beat me it

 

[Cyberblader90]

no one scales to ftl at moment besides sukuna, CT kashimo and prob post sealing gojo

 

[YukaSama4]

There are other instances where he or a character may “react” to the lightning being generated, but it’s not some grand speed accomplishment most of the other times, like in this case here:

https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_188_tokyo7_009.png

Hakari “reacted” to the bolt of lightning hitting his head (which is why we can see him say “oh” right as the bolt is finished entering his skull), but again he wasn’t able to make a move to dodge it.

Using this as an example is a little weird tbh
Hakari was hit by this lightning after this:

and when he barely heals himself Kashimo launches his lightning

However the calced feat has different context

They were fighting then Kashimo made some distance and launched it

There’s also the instance where Nue, who can also generate lightning straight up tagged Maki with its attack despite the lightning coming up from a higher distance from above.

Again, Maki “reacted” to the lightning generated by Nue. However the amount of distance Maki needed to move in order to put her guard up is significantly lower than the amount of distance Nue’s lightning needed to travel in order to reach her, she wasn’t fast enough to completely dodge the attack despite noticing it coming a second prior.

Is Nue's lightning even accepted as lightning speed? And if so how is Maki a limiter to jackpot Hakari? I don't recall anyone saying Maki and Hakari are equal in speed or Maki is faster

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

No, they weren’t. They catch it pretty handily.



This isn’t due to speed? Not to mention, this statement is outdated. This statement actually comes from the fanbook and Gege, stated it by himself, which goes up to Vol 15. The issue is that Geto winning is completely contradicted, as Kenjaku states Uzumaki is outright super condensed CE in the form of a blast, which is output. Ryu Ishigori has the highest output of all the players, of which Kenjaku is explicitly listed as a player, and Yuta is slightly inferior to him. Coupled with the fact that Vol 0 Yuta’s iteration of Rika is consistently stated to be superior to not only all of Geto’s curses, but 99% of jujutsu society, then I think it’s pretty imperative that a binding bow broken blast would still have overpowered Geto. Not even acknowledging the fact that Gojo himself admits Rika is worth him risking his life against, twice.

Vol 0 Rika > Yuta ~ Kenjaku > Ryu > Vol 0 Yuta > Geto.



A suppressed, trying not to kill Yuta. Note that Yuta only saw meaning in the fight towards the end, after massive CE consumption. And we know that when Yuta gets passionate, his stats increase, again, his speed.

Also, where exactly is Maki, and therefore Toji? She, as revealed in the Vol 24 extras, blocks 15F Nue’s lightning. And then goes on to fighting 15F Sukuna, who is only suppressed in CE output for his techniques, not movement speed. This is not even mentioning that Kenjaku himself considers Maki one of Jujutsu High’s heaviest hitters, and one of their best chances on taking on weakened Sukuna. And yes, Nue’s lightning can be considered real, as it’s shown comparable characteristics.

retcon.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

retcon.

Please don't pile up the thread with unnecessary things. As I already said I don't want this to be 6 pages long like others.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Please don't pile up the thread with unnecessary things. As I already said I don't want this to be 6 pages long like others.

Okay.

 

[YukaSama4]

Regarding Geto I'm neutral, I think you can scale him to the feat only if you believed he's as fast as Kenjaku, as Mei Mei said if Gojo defeated Sukuna, the plan was that all of them will jump Kenjaku and even then they might have a chance in beating him, "all of us" includes Hakari and Yuta, which means Kenjaku isn't below them in speed or otherwise they will beat the hell out of him

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

retcon.

I don’t think this detracts from anything, though? Nor does it seem like a serious question, or that I was implying Rika > Gojo, considering he’s been called the strongest character on numerous times IC and out (pre-Sukuna space slash).

 

[Quantu]

I agree with OP and Geto scaling.

Also I think the HR Zenin duo should scale but I see that'd be controversial

 

[Maitreya12]

Is Nue's lightning even accepted as lightning speed? And if so how is Maki a limiter to jackpot Hakari? I don't recall anyone saying Maki and Hakari are equal in speed or Maki is faster

Fairly certain it is yeah since if I remember correctly it was compared to Kashimo’s own electricity as being the same, only less controlled and more haphazard.

The reason I bring this up is because in the manga it was stated that Naobito is the second fastest sorcerer, only behind Gojo at the time, but Toji himself is superior to Naobito and Maki is his equal, so by extension Maki should be in the top tiers speed wise.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Fairly certain it is yeah since if I remember correctly it was compared to Kashimo’s own electricity as being the same, only less controlled and more haphazard.

The reason I bring this up is because in the manga it was stated that Naobito is the second fastest sorcerer, only behind Gojo at the time, but Toji himself is superior to Naobito and Maki is his equal, so by extension Maki should be in the top tiers speed wise.

Geto was dead
Yuta was training
Yuki information was not available for anyone.
So only Gojo was known to Jujutsu society as faster than Naobito

So put it simply. It's about Naobito is known as fastest Sorcerer. It's about how Jujutsu Sorcerers knows others. Gojo actually loves to show off so he is obviously known to be faster than Naobito.

As for Yuta and Yuki information available was very less so others wouldn't be aware of their speed. Same goes for Toji. Except for Few people in Zenin Clan and Gojo no one even know about him. So the fastest Sorcerer statement shouldn't be considered to be above others.

Lastly Hakari was kicked out of the school. He was running underground fight club. So he is also not included in Sorcerer list when comparing to Naobito.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Following. I agree so far.