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Changes as in new ratings that we're discussing in this thread. It hasn't been implemented yet
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JJK Gojo and Sukuna revisions
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I think Gojo's changes were already approved, it's just Sukuna's weren't. I think, haven't really been keeping up here
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This is fine
He traded blows with Gojo the whole fight and only started sucking when Gojo started mixing blue w/ his moves and shit. Just say "traded blows with Gojo"
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Why is there no Large Town level in Satoru's AP section?
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Because there is something called Striking Strength that the wiki still somehow ignores.
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Bump? (Is it fine?)
Uh. The previous arguments about the beginning of the battle of Gojo vs Sukuna don't really make much sense. They're utterly casual there. It's why they look just equally matched there. When they actually start getting serious is when you start seeing the disadvantage between the two in h2h. With even Sukuna going hyper relative with a non domain buffed gojo who's also on a CT burnout nerf + using rct full output.
Though ultimately they're relative, but that's only with DA (which is a stats buff) or DE buff.
As for the second round. It's hard to really apply it to the first round as further proof of "look they're relative! Further proof for round 1!" given that both suffer different places of brain damage. Gojo suffering one directly placed at his CT. Sukuna suffering one that is closer to his barrier area. So their nerf is a bit different should I say ig?
Aside from that... Shrug.
Also hard to say 16F Sukuna is relative to gojo. Unless it's about that feat that was calced? (that scene) then yeah sure, since they do look relative. But nothing really indicating 16F relative to Gojo going all out in punching unless you think 4 fingers are negligible difference compared to 20F for some reason. Best to interpret it as him not doing his best, since he was focused on taking out Kenjaku who's just much weaker anyways.(Could be due to mental fatigue. Who knows. Staying up like that in a timeless void for that long ain't so nice on your mental health.)
Uh. The previous arguments about the beginning of the battle of Gojo vs Sukuna don't really make much sense. They're utterly casual there. It's why they look just equally matched there. When they actually start getting serious is when you start seeing the disadvantage between the two in h2h. With even Sukuna going hyper relative with a non domain buffed gojo who's also on a CT burnout nerf + using rct full output.
Though ultimately they're relative, but that's only with DA (which is a stats buff) or DE buff.
As for the second round. It's hard to really apply it to the first round as further proof of "look they're relative! Further proof for round 1!" given that both suffer different places of brain damage. Gojo suffering one directly placed at his CT. Sukuna suffering one that is closer to his barrier area. So their nerf is a bit different should I say ig?
Aside from that... Shrug.
Also hard to say 16F Sukuna is relative to gojo. Unless it's about that feat that was calced? (that scene) then yeah sure, since they do look relative. But nothing really indicating 16F relative to Gojo going all out in punching unless you think 4 fingers are negligible difference compared to 20F for some reason. Best to interpret it as him not doing his best, since he was focused on taking out Kenjaku who's just much weaker anyways.(Could be due to mental fatigue. Who knows. Staying up like that in a timeless void for that long ain't so nice on your mental health.)
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1-3 Fingers
Attack Potency: City Block level physically, higher with Shrine (Easily sliced Mahito's chest), TBD with Malevolent Shrine (Killed the Finger Bearer slicing him into several pieces)
Striking Strength: At least City Block level+ (Effortlessly defeated[8] Finger Bearer, a Special Grade Cursed Spirit created by the energy of his own finger, a stronger Finger Beaerer is capable of busting most part of a cave)
Durability: At least City Block level+ (Should be are durable as he can physically hit)
16 Fingers
Attack Potency: At least Small Town level physically, higher with Shrine (Dismantle can damage Mahoraga[20] and Cleave can slash through it[20]. Can slice off Jogo's arm and head, and also cause deep cuts on Yuji Itadori even with less than 10% of his Cursed Energy Output. Damaged Ryu Ishigori and killed him with Cleave), higher with Malevolent Shrine (Pulverized a radius of 170m in the center of Shibuya and severely damaged Mahoraga, only surviving due to its adaptation[6]), Town level with Divine Flames (Created a massive fire ball and completely vaporized Mahoraga)
Striking Strength: At least Small Town level (Completely dominates Jogo on a fight, destroying his jaw and punching him around. Even when his Cursed Energy Output was fluctuating from 100% to even below 10%, he could fight both Culling Game Yuji Itadori and Awakened Maki, where a mere punch from him makes Yuji vomit blood and launch him through multiple buildings[35])
Durability: At least Small Town level (Can take attacks from Maki and tank them, and was only damage by her and Yuji when Megumi was surpressing him. Should be as durable as he can physically hit)
Full Power (Megumi's Body)
Attack Potency: Large Town level physically, higher with Shrine
Striking Strength: Large Town level (Can fight Satoru Gojo and match his attacks when not enfused by Blue)
Durability: Large Town level
Attack Potency: City Block level physically, higher with Shrine (Easily sliced Mahito's chest), TBD with Malevolent Shrine (Killed the Finger Bearer slicing him into several pieces)
Striking Strength: At least City Block level+ (Effortlessly defeated[8] Finger Bearer, a Special Grade Cursed Spirit created by the energy of his own finger, a stronger Finger Beaerer is capable of busting most part of a cave)
Durability: At least City Block level+ (Should be are durable as he can physically hit)
16 Fingers
Attack Potency: At least Small Town level physically, higher with Shrine (Dismantle can damage Mahoraga[20] and Cleave can slash through it[20]. Can slice off Jogo's arm and head, and also cause deep cuts on Yuji Itadori even with less than 10% of his Cursed Energy Output. Damaged Ryu Ishigori and killed him with Cleave), higher with Malevolent Shrine (Pulverized a radius of 170m in the center of Shibuya and severely damaged Mahoraga, only surviving due to its adaptation[6]), Town level with Divine Flames (Created a massive fire ball and completely vaporized Mahoraga)
Striking Strength: At least Small Town level (Completely dominates Jogo on a fight, destroying his jaw and punching him around. Even when his Cursed Energy Output was fluctuating from 100% to even below 10%, he could fight both Culling Game Yuji Itadori and Awakened Maki, where a mere punch from him makes Yuji vomit blood and launch him through multiple buildings[35])
Durability: At least Small Town level (Can take attacks from Maki and tank them, and was only damage by her and Yuji when Megumi was surpressing him. Should be as durable as he can physically hit)
Full Power (Megumi's Body)
Attack Potency: Large Town level physically, higher with Shrine
Striking Strength: Large Town level (Can fight Satoru Gojo and match his attacks when not enfused by Blue)
Durability: Large Town level
Can someone PLEASE help me figure out a way to write the rest? I want to apply this asap now.
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Mfw 20F Shrine has no notable feats
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Glad I'm not the only one who figured this out. Shit is featless.
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Giannysmag
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I can do it. One thing tho shouldn't Sukuna's 20F dura be Low 7-B? Since he survives Unlimited Hollow Purple which completely destroyed Mahoraga's wheel, which could withstand the fire arrow. So Sukuna's dura > wheel's dura > fire arrow
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The fire arrow in Shibuya was calced at 7-C. The most you could upscale it to is the one calced at High 7-C fired by a weakened Sukuna
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Why does first key Sukuna only have 8-B in his AP section while the rest is At least 8-B+?
Also shouldn't his 20 finger key also have a "higher with Divine Flames"
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Do you have a link to that calc? Cause his profile still has the Low 7-B calc
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Jujutsu Kaisen Chapter 119 Feats
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ThanksJujutsu Kaisen Chapter 119 Feats
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He's not 8-B+ none of the characters should be that.
JJK Mid Tiers Possible Downgrade
So for some time I've been wondering why we have the mid tiers rated as 8-B+, characters like Maki (with pc), Nanami, or a host of others like Naoya, Naobito, Ogi, Mei Mei, etc. The only 8-B+ calc on page is this, it's Mahito's slam of Yuji. This is Mahito in his ISB transformation, a form not...
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The point I'm making is that his AP and SS/Dura are not matching up.He's not 8-B+ none of the characters should be that.
JJK Mid Tiers Possible Downgrade
So for some time I've been wondering why we have the mid tiers rated as 8-B+, characters like Maki (with pc), Nanami, or a host of others like Naoya, Naobito, Ogi, Mei Mei, etc. The only 8-B+ calc on page is this, it's Mahito's slam of Yuji. This is Mahito in his ISB transformation, a form not...vsbattles.com
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I'm curious, how do we consider anime only feats, since sukuna split some clouds in the anime
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I don't know the official stance, but the profiles read like JJK 0 is treated as useable material for being the updated version of an early story
The anime is otherwise secondary canon
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Could you send that? And yeah I don't think we're gonna be using anime stuff, feat wise a lot of it didn't happen in the source material.
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Apparently we don't use anime stuff.
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Done
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You guys tell me if there is anything I've missed or need to change
Giannysmag/Sukuna
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If the anime shows better feats than the manga, should be make new profiles (when season 3 comes out ofc)
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Yeah I'll add them. Its just stuff for domainDone
You guys tell me if there is anything I've missed or need to changeGiannysmag/Sukuna
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NGL looks great
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Oof.. (Sorry that I can't help you out on this.)
The problem is that this argument makes little sense. The wheel that withstood this was untamed Mahoraga, whereas the wheel that got destroyed is the tamed version of mahoraga, and as we know shikigamis like them can get further strengthened which Sukuna definitely does.
Regardless - The wheel did not suffer a single scratch or burn from the domain and fire arrow. And I don't think hollow purple is stronger than the nonstop onslaught of that there whatsoever. Additionally, Gojo was extremely weakened like Sukuna was in the Shinjuku fight after chapter 230. For example gojo's brain damage is directly centered on his CT. So I honestly don't see how this indicates higher AP given their vast difference. Even in Shibuya Sukuna praises Mahoraga for being comparable to 3F level (Can beat 3F version of himself) and that said maho's wheel survived 15F Sukuna DE and Fire Arrow with no scratch. Whereas purple was able to erase it entirely. So if anything I think this might be due to some higher level of NPI of sorts. Which could be due to the nature of it being imaginary mass.
In short, I don't think this scale can be relied on.
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Doesn't that strengthen my arguament tho? That would make the cahin Sukuna's dura > Tamed Maho's wheel > Untamed Maho's wheel > 15F Fire Arrow
Why? Aside from the aforementioned chain, UHP is calced at High 7-C while both Fire Arrows are 7-C
Idk what this has to do with anything here
Purple doesn't erase things
Purple isn't Imaginary mass it's virtual mass, kinda like Yuki's CT
Basically Purple isn't some nonexistant eraser ball, it's a huge amount of mass being hruled at hypersonic speed
Anyway I'm not gonna debate this any further since Fuga isn't Low 7-B anyway
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Sukuna is gonna be High 7-C from Gojo anyway so scaling him to the fire arrow doesn’t matter. Although I disagree with this, I don’t even believe the arrow affects him, given he’s always not even scratched by it and it really isn’t because he’s THAT durable. He definitely wasn’t in a state where he could tank it in the third time he used it.
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There's also the fact your own ce is weaker against you.
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The opposite. I don't think that purple has the power to compare to the full onslaught of Sukuna's DE that lasted for nearly a minute + the fire arrow on top of it coming from 15F Sukuna that ISN'T weakened. Matter of a fact, that purple was also detonated over 10m away. And the whole rules with nukes and the like, or well explosions, is that distance overtime weakens their power considerably. Purple for example already has in verse statements of distance weakening it. So..
In other words I really doubt that this purple got far more power than what Sukuna did. Like the wheel did not suffer a single scratch whatsoever. Whereas Mahoraga alongside the wheel got erased.
Visual feats aren't the be and end of all things tho? We already know that Sukuna's fire arrow is restricted to his DE specifically and has low range without DE + BV.
Besides that we have to account for Sukuna's output vastly declining like gojo's, and that Mahoraga at a base level is 3F level whose wheel survived all that shit with no scratch. Now here we have a far stronger Mahoraga. Idk how you'd think that purple is doing anything especially when it comes to an extremely weakened gojo. Both gojo and Sukuna had been going at eachother for quite a while with the domain battles, rct full output etc. Then comes a brain damage that already massively nerfs the two. Additionally, Gojo's own brain damage is directly centered on his CT part so that's a even worse nerf. With that being said I don't see how this purple has far more power than what Sukuna unleashed there.
It did erase the wheel so yes. You're assuming that I'm talking about existence erasure or the like. I never said that. Just think of it being destroyed entirely if you understand.
Uh ok. I disagree with this because they're clearly very different, but ultimately it doesn't matter much. Point remains that purple got special npi of some sort.
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The slash that bisects the world shouldn't be in the AP section. It cut the space that Gojo occupied in order to kill him.
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I agree with all of this, although I have some small issues with formatting. You can exclude Mahoraga from his AP since Mahoraga has its own profile.
Add “X Tier physically” to AP and move the explanation to the SS part to not clutter the AP section.
Therr’s small stuff like lower case names but I’ll fix it later.
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Also, I fear we won’t be using the Low 7-C rating from Yuta anymore.
Although we can use a different one from Sukuna:
Although we can use a different one from Sukuna:
15F supressed Sukuna performed a 8-A feat. Since he was below 10%, we can calc how strong he would’ve been at 100%. The 8-A calc is ~110 tons or something like that. At 100% this would be like 1100 tons or 1.1
Kt, Low 7-C.
Would only scale to 15F Sukuna and Mahoraga tho.
Kt, Low 7-C.
Would only scale to 15F Sukuna and Mahoraga tho.
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What happened?
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They decided to use pulverization rather than vaporization to Granite Blast. I was outvoted so yeah. Downgrade.
