Huh? Geto scales to Gojo who scales to Toji. We also kinda see geto blitz the second years in vol 0 and gojo can’t actually beat Geto alone. He definitely scales based off lore and how his characters depicted. idk how you can rationalize Geto~Naoya.
In terms of speed why not, also geto kinda of did get curbstomped by both yuta and toji so i do not think he scales to gojo
Geto was literally keeping up with Yuuta…
Until yuta unleashed rika, them geto strongest attack who takes time to be preped got defeated by rika casual power
That was not causal rika. It was literally amped rika. Reread vol 0 pls. Geto also embarrassed the entirety of kyoto minus Todo.
Yeah no once yuta cursed rika he overpowered geto's uzumaki and was only gotten stronger since them, at the end of the day rika overpowered geto strongest attack and toji made a way bigger deal out of gojo
That’s all ap. This is strictly about speed. Geto can keep up with yuuta. Geto as a character is unbeatable by Gojo, that’s why yuuta was needed and used.
Yes, small number of feats don’t mean much, but 8 feats is not small. This more feats than most verses have. It quite clear that subsonic doesn’t match up with what’s happening in the verse. It very evident that statement contradicts what is happening and is out shadowed by 9 feats. These feats happen quite early in the series as well. The feats were argued against earlier in the thread; however, most arguments were about the way of calcing which are used across the entire wiki and others had no real basis towards them.
Sorry but it actually makes no sense as most of what he says is just blatantly wrong he said there are people who used sounds to attack, ask him when the said attacks was dodged or blocked.
The feat itself when calced will be at most subsonic given the distance as he barely reacts to it
Dude if we go with Juzo being subsonic, that still supports the large amount of evidence that early on in the series characters are already subsonic. And as Power noted, juzo is a fodder character, so cool you just admitted a fodder character is subsonic. How can top tiers scale anywhere near him given the significant portrayal of the characters being above others that are above him in speed?
I believe Powers point in bringing up inumaki, the principal, and utahime, is to show that sos is not a speed that’s considered impossible for most sorcerers.
Two of the point he brought up was speech, in fiction speech is a free action is it not?
The point is that you guys are trying to put projection sorcery and a ton of other curse techniques below Cursed speech, and the random guitar curse technique above them. The series does not portray either curse technique above others. You’re essentially trying to imply Inumaki could tag Jogo with his cursed speech before Jogo could reach him. We know Jogo would blitz him before the sound wave could reach him. Just simple scaling and implications for the characters.
No one is trying to put one above the other, inumaki cursed speech while.good is not that effective against stronger opponent like special grade we see him coughing out blood from using it a few times against it.
Anyway, if somebody lists them, I can ask them to comment here again.
KingTempest
Distance plays a very important factor, from.that distance it is not impressive
Also this one
Making the argument for Subsonic scaling from Projection Sorcery.
Let's look at the statement with context:
Some observations:
Maki is still top-tier even while wounded as she was able to blitz Ohgi, etc. So almost every character downscales from her. She is at a disadvantage in a protracted fight, which means that she is able to perform well in a non-protracted fight even while fatigued.
- Naoya states that he is going to attack Maki at his maximum speed; this is prior to the statement about surpassing subsonic speed.
- It is previously stated that there is a limit to the acceleration allowed by Projection Sorcery, but speed can build up. So Naoya can't instantly move at top speed after a single frame, but he can increase his speed gradually. The timeframe to complete a movement is constant: 1/24 fps, so he would have to gradually increase the distance he is moving per frame to move faster.
- Maki is overwhelmed by Naoya moving a few meters in 1/24 s, and he runs circles around her. This is Maki getting overwhelmed by what is objectively subsonic speed.
- The narrator lists multiple reasons Maki is at a disadvantage... and this includes Naoya surpassing subsonic speed. Just in the previous panel Naoya said that he is going to move at top speed; he is one of the fastest characters and he used a speed amp. It is absurd to claim that every mid-tier casually surpasses subsonic speed.
- We are shown Naoya doing a mach cone while charging in. This is associated with Naoya using Projection Sorcery at top speed, rather than something every mid-tier character can casually do.
Earlier we've seen Naoya demonstrating the ability to blitz both Choso and 15 Fingers Yuji, by moving a few meters within 1/24 s... which is objectively subsonic.
Yuta failed to blitz Yuji despite stating that he attempted to do so. So this anti-feat applies to the top-tiers.
It is mentioned that Dagon is far superior to Juzo. Let's see how he performed:
He got blitzed by objectively subsonic speed (movement of a few meters within 1/24 s).
We don't have to assume timeframes and such. The Projection Sorcery technique literally gives us a canonical timeframe which we should use over headcanons and guesstimates... and this canonical timeframe suggests that top-tiers are subsonic to transonic when they are attempting to move very fast.
Here is the thing the distance was comparable, both attacks came from a
Bullet catch, in both anime and manga, was debunked here early in the thread (High Hypersonic+ scale) as severly exagerated.
| Pellet Type | Lead |
|---|---|
| Velocity | 380 m/s |
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There was a calc for it and calc was subsonic iirc
Most of th calcs you mentioned have been criticized, assuming they are a given is begging the question. The only ones not highly questionable are the Maki vs Ohgi and the Geto one, which are outnumbered by the anti-feats.
He doesn't even block it, as in you moves his weapon to parry or shield before the soundwave reaches him. He just tanks it on his torso. Also again the distance makes this subsonic; Geto reacting to a pistol and a sniper rifle are more impressive, and even those are most likely subsonic due to the distance.
Your description of the technique doesn't seem to contradict mine. Do you agree that I described how the technique works correctly, and that my argument doesn't fall among those who misunderstand it?
But that statement only comes after Naoya declares that he will now fight at top speed. So what is your evidence that his casual speed, before he starts building-up speed to reach top speed, surpasses subsonic?
I do think High hypersonic+ is exxageratted so we agree on that point. My point is that the feat is clearly well above supersonic and into the High hypersonic range.
The disorientation is irrelevant. The point is that Nobara was literally sent several feet to her right by the kinetic impact of the bullet. Indicating that it is clearly not some run of the mill rubber pullet gun. Not sure what you mean by the force of impact not being directly correlated to speed? A rubber bullet is not sending a human body flying several feet unless you drastically increase it's speed or close the distance. Mai was substantially far away from Nobara which also indicates that for her to accurately hit from such a range and still conserve enough energy to knock her away, means that the bullet is carrying a heavy punch, and indicates the bullet is being propelled by power, which we clearly see is the case given the scan I linked of her barrel after firing. Also highlighted in the scan you posted showing the impact being severe enough to create a smoke cloud after Maki caught it.
The gun is of little consequence tbh and we already saw the smoke coming from the chamber that doesn't happen without power especially for that long.
Yes and her bullets used powder, are clearly capped, and have feats of knocking a human several feet away from dozens of meters of range while still being able to maintain accuracy. I'm pretty sure that is all blatant evidence against this being some regular rubber bullet shooter at 60 m/s.
It's actually in the thread that is where I remember seeing it. Qlilopth translated it to roughly "exceed the speed of sound" regarding the blood technique. That is more what I was referring to about the speed of sound stuff, as it just means it reached speeds passing mach 1.Most of the databook is translated here and here
Jujutsu Kaisen Official Fanbook ENG
JUJUTSU KAISEN OFFICIAL FANBOOK
If the relevant statement that provides relavant information about supersonic speed exists in the databook but is untranslated, can you highlight which section the statement is in?
Yes, because he can move at those speeds and I'm not 100% sure this is accurate based on what was posted above. But assuming your stance is correct, reaction speed and close combat speed is still not movement speed. There is a reason Dragonflies are apex bug predators, there maneuverability is ridiculous. Noaya can literally continually move at these speeds so reacting one or twice isn't enough because you constantly have to track something your body can't continuously move with. Which is why he doesn't outright blitz like Maki did with Ogi, and instead overwhelms his opponents with an onslaught.
Ant asked for mitch and tempest to evaluate the proposals, but nothing came of it
Maki calc should be redone with a more accurate bullet velocity.
What do you think should be given? iirc someone tried it being regular rubber bullet speed and it got supersonic I think
