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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure General Discussion Thread III: Stardust Crusaders

Average japanese speedlimit is 60kph.

(100km on highways, highest speed imit in japan is 125 though but josuke did it on standard roads so 60km).
 
Do busses even go to those speeds on average on the streets?

Also, it looks more like Josuke managed to follow with enough difficulty, rather than going at the same exact speed as the bus. Still impressive though.
 
Yes, average speed limit is 60kpm in japan unless otherwise stated (and the bus was entering highway speeds soon so it was definitly on a standard street at that point). According to wikipedia, and he had to catch up to it which it was stated he did, joseph says he caught up to the bus. Aka he's actually faster because he shortened the distance between them while the bus was going at a steady 60kph and the bus wasnt able to extened the distance but instead josuke shortened it and it already had a head start. Also that wasnt a bus stop in case that's what you thought, it was the side of the road right before the highway. Although it did take effort to catch up to it, point is it's impossible for Josuke to be slower then it to of performed the feat, it's actually a decent stamina feat at that too, he was able to keep up with and slowly overtake the distance between him and the bus over quite a distance.
 
DMB 1 said:
Oh yeah. A a lot of things were changed in Part 1's Anime adaptation.
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Which is mostly where Dio's new powers come from like better healing, shadow manip, teleporting, idk that's 3 atm I guess. Tarkus has a building-building+ feat in the anime done with one finger. That's kinda neat, it's a bit feat though, wouldnt effect any tiers.
 
Your argument amounts to: "star platinum is the strongest no matter what"

... even though he curbstomped Crazy Diamond. The scaling of [Star Platinum > 8-B RHCP > Crazy Diamond] does not make sense because the very start of the series establishes [Star Platinum = Crazy Diamond], and the two are not very far off in strength and speed (though Jotaro has a better combat ability making him the stronger fighter in the end I suppose).

The statement was made before the end of RHCP's arc (in which we see him go 8-B), it being made after his reveal doesn't matter because he's not 8-B at that point. And again, statements aren't unfalliable.

Idiotic wank.

What is the strongest stand related feat then @Chariot190?
 
Yes but the statement can stem from a place of insecurity on Josuke's part (especially since he's demonstrated he's not that knowledgeable on how fast his stand can move).

But taking the statement as true doesn't mean SP must be magnitudes above CD. If they can throw hands with one another and practically tie, SP is probably only slightly stronger, if that.
 
It's stated multiple times? And it isnt insecurity, he's just straight up saying SP is a **** ton stronger then him, aint even the first time. It doesnt matter if he doesnt know how fast his stand is, that doesnt stem from insecurity it comes from him never actually clocking it, what he does know is that he's much weaker then jotaro and even Koichi and Akira seem to think so. RHCP himself outright states Jotaro is >>> Crazy Diamond too, multiple characters state it.

Taking the statement? You know there's several right, it aint just one? Actually CD cant throw hands with SP, the most it ever did was cause SP's arms to move a few inches with a full on fisticuff beatdown while pissed off because his hair was insulted (and we know for a fact if you get angry your stand gets stronger, it's shown with both jotaro and pol and multiple other stand users that being mad makes you stronger because stands' strength is dependent on your state of mind and we both know how mad Josuke gets when his hair is insulted) and said pissed off beatdown didnt even harm jotaro, Star Platinum took zero damage from a pissed off crazy diamond beatdown and jotaro himself had no intention of fighting him and was taken by surprise, not to mention he was rusty and wasnt actually trying that hard and Jotaro never actually used SP to attack him, the only punch thrown was his own he never hit Josuke with Crazy Diamond so he cant scale, which probably indicates a handful of things. Crazy Diamond even when mad did no damage to SP:TW and it's stated muliple times SP is the strongest stand in the part and that SP is far above CD or The Hand.

Basically no, CD aint shit to SP, it's stated multiple times by multiple sources and the difference aint slight, it's massive and wog along with numerous other statements but SP over every other stand up till part 6 in the strength department. If it was only that quote you'd have a point, when there's numerous though all claiming the same thing? At that point it's just arguing out of disbelief. Hell even Koichi drops an off hand quote implying SP could cave RHCP's face in later on in the part. If anything CD being comparable to SP is the outlier (although he's never actually shown to be on par so that's moot).
 
>Your argument amounts to: "star platinum is the strongest no matter what"

Yes because that's what is said numerous times. Learn to read.

He stops being the strongest at the start of Part 6. Till then he is.

>... even though he curbstomped Crazy Diamond.

He didnt curbstomp him, he put him on it's ass though, CD actually threw hands with it briefly.


>The scaling of [Star Platinum > 8-B RHCP > Crazy Diamond] does not make sense because the very start of the series establishes [Star Platinum = Crazy Diamond], and the two are not very far off in strength and speed.

That's a straight up lie, it's stated numerous times that SP>>>Crazy Diamond in all categories after that and it's made evident it aint a neglible diffrence. Hell in the very same arc where RHCP performs his feat Koichi states that Jotaro could keep up with RHCP's speed, the same speed that was blitzing Josuke so that's a lie that even the speed is comparable. Just because you want to ignore the multitude of statements doesnt mean youre right.

>The statement was made before the end of RHCP's arc (in which we see him go 8-B), it being made after his reveal doesn't matter because he's not 8-B at that point. And again, statements aren't unfalliable.

Well cool, good thing there's statements after the feat too. In fact one is in the damn link right under the quote you're cherry picking. Statements arent unfalliable but if the same statement is made like a million times, it's pretty damn clear that's how it is. Also RHCP himself claimsthat Josuke is weaker then Jotaro and he aint shit comparatively.

>Idiotic wank.

Not as bad as being ignorant but ok.

SHA's quake, 60.4 tons. Ignoring shit like weather report.
 
Didn't Jotaro state "This kids power..." When Josuke broke is guard as if he was awed by how strong he was? That doesn't seem like someone immensely superior
 
No he stated So strong, he was in awe but that was because he wasnt expecting CD to be as strong as it was not that it was truly awe inspiring (plus that was rage boosted josuke, rhcp never fought insulted josuke). Which doesnt really mean much when Jotaro hasnt used his stand in a long while to fight, he's rusty and he even states himself that he wouldve won despite his rust against a pissed off josuke he just didnt want neither of them to get potentially hurt, Jotaro didnt want to fight or harm Josuke and the metric **** ton of statements after the fact kinda supercede Josuke trying his best against a casual Jotaro who wanted to calm him down, a bloodlusted full on pummel did zero damage to Star Platinum, Star Platinum didnt even look astounded, he was just like huh unexpected but ok, Crazy Diamond is litterally incapable of harming Star Platinum. And Josuke, Koichi and even RHCP state that SP>>>CD. Hell RHCP considers Crazy Diamond a easy warm up to what could be a death match against Jotaro and RHCP is scared of fighting Jotaro and even resorted to hooking himself up to Morioh's electricity for over a month gathering energy over time and still wasnt sure if he could take SP. And it's confirmed, yeah, he cant, Akira even after doing his feat is scared of Jotaro and would rather not cause any trouble of even attempt to use his powers for evil because he's, and I quote, scared senseless of Jotaro (yet considers josuke and pals fodder) and thinks of him as a fatal threat. Koichi also makes a statement that any previous stand that he's seen would be pummled to shit by SP. And he was there when RHCP did his feat and beat CD.

Basically there's a metric fuckload of statements, claims and even wog quotes that put SP far above CD, even if CD at its best suprised Jotaro with its power, that doesnt mean theyre equal. (Jotaros been surprised by much weaker stands before too if he didnt expect it). Although I lied, SP punched Josuke but Jotaro was explicitly trying not to harm him and was trying to stop it.

Hell, there's a wog statement after RHCP's feat that says SP is still the strongest stand so moot point anyway.

Also SP blitzed Josuke and CD, coupled with Koichi's statement, would put SP over CD in speed by quite a bit.
 
Litterally the moment Josuke tried to attack him. Jotaro summoned SP, popped Josuke in the face and told him to sit his ass down basically, all before CD could even manifest fully or attack or before Josuke could react to it. There's also Koichis statement outright saying Jotaro is much faster then Josuke and SP is shown faster then the squad in btd too.
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If it wasnt for Echoes appearing in Part 5, Part 4 would have huge issues scaling to ftl. Luckily Echoes can react to GE who after a long scale chain gets scaling off of chariot to a degree of some. (Josuke does got a rel supporting feat too).
 
More wank and twisting words.

Feats > Statements, understand this. If a character is shown at a specific strength we hold that evidence higher than a statement of strength in relation to others.

In this case we can see that SP and CD are just about equal in terms of strength. Star Platinum sucker punching Josuke before he can get angry and speak does not mean he's "a fuckton" stronger or faster; he just caught his opponent off-guard.

8-B RHCP mops the floor with Crazy Diamond. That means he mops the floor with Star Platinum too.

Star Platinum being the strongest is a rule of thumb, not a law of the universe. With strength being a variable in shonen anime, saying a character is the strongest does not mean they always will and always have been.
 
Y'all are being a little hostile rn.

Not gonna say anything too much, but I'd suggest toning it down before it turns into an insult battle with a debate on the side.

I get it, I do, but still. It doesn't help to get angry, and it's actively bad for your argument to treat opposing arguments like they're idiotic. You just entrench the other side further.
 
>More wank and twisting words.

That's the last thing I want to hear coming from you. Your first or second post in this thread was the most blatant example of twisting something ive seen on this site.

>Feats > Statements, understand this. If a character is shown at a specific strength we hold that evidence higher than a statement of strength in relation to others.

Actually that's a case by case thing, if SP is stated no less then like 10 times to be stronger then RHCP and capable of caving its face in, guess what superceedes CD failing to even hurt it? It's the statements. I can think of multiple characters that fought someone who's stated numerous times to be stronger then them explicitly in lore only to get thrown out because figting the character that can stomp you according to a billiong things would be bullshit. So I guess CD is 8-B for briefly contending, trading blows and taking multiple blows from RHCP while amped. After all that's what happened and if youre so keen on ignoring lore and context, well problem solved. Ignoring the fact SP isnt shown to be on the same strength as CD, crazy diamond cant even ******* hurt SP with a pissed off rushdown.

>In this case we can see that SP and CD are just about equal in terms of strength. Star Platinum sucker punching Josuke before he can get angry and speak does not mean he's "a fuckton" stronger or faster; he just caught his opponent off-guard.

Failing to actually disprove any of my claims doesnt make you right mate. Crazy Diamond did zero damage to Star Platinum despite being in a stronger state then when he fought RHCP. He punches Josuke in the face before he can react, block or dodge it. Is it unexpected? Maybe but if he couldnt react to it he couldnt react to it, that's that, it wasnt coming from behind or some shit and when it's coming directly to his face and he doesnt even try to dodge, block or anything, he's slower, that's fact. And we got Koichi saying Jotaro is much faster then Josuke too in the RHCP fight no less. So we got a feat (if not multiple)+statements. And he's stronger because litterally every character that knows Jotaro says he's stronger, including RHCP who thinks of Josuke and The Hand as fodder in comparison to Jotaro, RHCP literally spent a month draining morioh in preparton to fight Jotaro. And given the fact Crazy Diamond cant even harm a casual Star Platinum that doesnt want to fight, there's a pretty damn clear gap regardless of the opening chapter having a bloodlusted CD throwing innumerable punches making SP raise his hands a bit while dealing zero actual damage despite landing all those blows on him.

>8-B RHCP mops the floor with Crazy Diamond. That means he mops the floor with Star Platinum too.

Actually read everything I say would you? Youve already gone and admitted you dont and it's clear you still arent as you're failing to properly rebute the entire post. You're also grossly exaggerating the beatdown. CD could actually deflect a few of its blows. And took 3 punches from it and Josuke was able to get right back up and was fine minutes later, he wasnt even one shot, he's weaker then RHCP of course, but definitely aint weak enough to get one hit or fail to defend against him at all.

>Star Platinum being the strongest is a rule of thumb, not a law of the universe.

Youre right, which is why he stops being the strongest by the time Part 6 happens because a stand stronger then him appeared in part 5, till then though he's the strongest. Dude if SP is literally stated to be stronger then both CD and RHCP then he's stronger then both and not comparable to CD if he's outright stated stronger then the thing that could overpower CD and a casual jotaro who hasnt fought in years against a pissed off bloodlusted Crazy Diamond doing negligible showings against it aint enough to disprove a metric fuckton of statements (and Josuke himself going yeah he's much stronger then me and RHCP saying yeah Jotaro is much stronger then you) and explicit ones at that in cases like SP>>>>CD in speed or SP>Any other stand in the part in strength. if anything that means CD even contending with it would be an outlier seeing as every single thing says otherwise, but the fact Jotaro wasnt even trying and hadnt been in a fight in who knows how long on top CD failing to harm SP even with a full on beatdown and Jotaro didnt want to fight in the first place and wanted him to calm down invalidates any potential scaling between them in to begin with.

Part 8 Morioh quake, SHA shakes 15 meters and several kilometers of earth.

Also Dark Blue Moon (who's weaker and was one shot by a weak Star Platinum and isnt far off from RHCP himself going off feats) or Part 2 scaling, among other things, but debating with you is a waste of time. Youve proven that with your utter disregard of context and lack of proper rebuttals.
 
Josuke failed to react to it in the slightest (and in the manga it was actually a straight eyelevel punch not from below like in the anime for what its worth). Josuke failed to react to it in anyway, him getting serious or not means nothing, his reactions dont magically get better, that's a blatant speed feat. And SP is outright stated to be faster then CD so uh ye.

Jotaro decided to time stop while Crazy Diamond's fist was mms away from him, that's actually a stupidly good speed feat for him. And Koichi says pointblank Jotaro is faster then Josuke too, saying only he could keep up with RHCP while Josuke was getting blitzed.
Koichi quote
 
Yeah so more of you just crying over the standards:

Crazy Diamond got sent flying through at least five shipping containers. That's a sweep.

Josuke failed to react to a suckerpunch from Jotaro. Big woop.

Koichi doesn't know how fast Star Platinum is at that point? He's never seen his stand in action.
 
Actually in any other situation a character even being implied to be close to a character stated numerous times to be above them would be thrown out, hell Digimon is going through that right now (or dbz top is a good example of shit like that too). And as said case by case, if something that happens doesn't correlate correctly with the lore, it's the thing that's thrown out not the lore.

And jotaro was punched through a building by the world, guess jotaro is a shit ton weaker then the world now? Josuke contended with it, blocked a few punches and clashed with it for several seconds exchanging dozens of blows. And after he was launched (which really doesn't matter, the world was launched by SP too, and they're not that far off in power) he proceeded to take several more blows from it only to get back up like a minute later and not even 15 minutes later he was fine, RHCO didn't even knock him out despite trying to kill him. He's weaker but not magnitudes below. But now you're ignoring statements along with feats too.

Yes, Josuke failed to react in anyway to a punch at eyelevel aimed directly at his face and crazy diamond failed to block it despite being summoned before sp was. You can still react to a supposed suckerpunch, josuke didn't even look at it despite it coming towards him, he didn't even flinch at it. SP was also fast enough to be summoned and start attacking before any other stand when trying to defend against BTD. The other stands, despite all being summoned at the same time were slower then SP who was already throwing dozens of punches.

Could've heard how fast it was from josuke, or anyone, or seen him use it on his off time seeing as how he uses it' s speed to do minimal tasks, first thing shown in the part actually. (Or the fact that he can kinda easily deduce it's speeds from the shit he did at the start of the part after he learns it was done with sp) plus RHCP confirms jotaro is faster then josuke too and its speed is actually a nuisance unlike josuke and the hand's speed who he thinks of as hilariously slow (and rhcp knows how fast a casual sp is, he was watching the crew for over a month) so does hirohiko araki. Or the fact koichi knows that sp is simply much faster then them all in general, he's jacked off each chance he gets. Regardless, he knows SP is much faster then josuke, how he came to learn that isn't important but he knows he's faster, josuke failed to react to sp meanwhile jotaro can pull off a time stop mm away from getting punched (meaning he's much faster anyway seeing as he didn't bother to time stop till it was practically touching him and he pulled it off), sp is outright stated to be the fastest stand in the part meaning he's faster then RHCP anyway, who's faster then crazy diamond.
 
I'm skimming through your poorly formatted and unnecessarily wordy arguments and you don't have any good rebuttals.

I will say that Koichi "hearing how fast he was" from a guy who idolizes Jotaro is head-canon, and not a good source. The rest of what you have to say is more blatant lies.
 
Just because you don't like a rebuttal doesn't mean it ain't right.

So are you denying that Crazy Diamond traded blows with RHCP, took several full powered punches from it and could walk it off minutes later? Because that's what you're doing, for one so fixated on a minor feat you're ignoring a much more blatant one to suit your argument.

Oh neat another example if cherry picking a specific line from my post ignoring the rest? Well that's to be expected from you at this point I guess. I guess RHCP is wrong when he says jotaro is faster or when araki says jotaro is faster. Oh well, you clearly have more credee nce then the author or the character who's doing the blitzing on josuke. Also josuke respects him but that's about it, but idolizing him and lying about jotaro's power though? That's headcanon if anything.

Lies? Because you don't like it? That doesn't make it a lie.

But debating with you is an actual waste of time, you don't even have the decency to even make an attempt, all your post amounted to was "no because I said so". Not how this works pal. Also you ignore a fuckton of context or even what's happening on panel for starters.
 
but when? I did not find anything that indicated GER killing Diavolo directly in the anime. even after Diavolo get Muda'd, he's "barely still alive".

did i miss something?
 
"Barely still alive" is due to GER's powers keeping him alive. The truth is, Diavolo's first death was at the hands of GER, he just didn't realize it and thought he survived.
 
when? there's nothing indicated that feat in the anime. i was watch that scene over and over again and there's nothing..
 
I thought I made it clear that I was waiting for your CRT?

There's no point in shutting you down here where your head is too far up your own butt. At least in a proper CRT there is a voting process where I can get others to disagree and finally end your nonsense. Here? Nobody cares that much, just you writing stuff in your diary.

So yes, you are incorrect and no, you may not get to know why nor have the chance to properly refute it. Make a CRT and you'll know why you're wrong.
 
Yeah. He is currently our strongest candidate for main antagonist, but He isn't attractive, so some people think he is a red harring. Honestly, I think its a fair point. He is either gonna have to go through a Valentine like transformaton, remove some sort of disguise, or play the dragon to a greater threat. His stand is insanely broken tho lol, honestly, passive hax is a rare thing from jojo so this is cool
 
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