This point was referencing Generator Rex, not Ben 10. But i'll respond anyway. Unless you are sitting here and wanting me to accept some vague intepretion of this meaning higher-d dimensions all because of the words "dimension", that definitely isn't going to fly.
Already explained this before so the short answer here is that it's not higher-d dimensions, just a different type of group of universes that has nothing to do with Paradox's Ad-Infinitum statement that exclusively deals with alternate timelines.
No, thats one interpretation out of multiple reasons on why I disagree with it. The main crux is that statement is being made by someone who was not only initally denying anything to do with alternate worlds, but someone whos used math and last minute theorizing to suddenly come to such a large conclusion. While on the other hand, the average scientist or whatnot in Ben 10 already has that and much more, who are jokes compared to Professor Paradox and he doesn't side with that interpretation at all.
I already explained how it's not last minute if you have half a day but whatever. Said person is still an extraordinary genius and would have said "I think" if she wasn't sure which is in-character for her to do so. A lot of people in Gen Rex would have died if it weren't for Holiday's quick thinking (a lot of people = every non-EVO on earth and everyone with nanites on earth, which is just everyone). Also seeing as quantum theory IRL probably alludes to infinite dimensions it's not a large but an accurate conclusion. No Ben 10 scientist gives any limit on the amount of alternate dimensions, not even Paradox as already explained above.
It should be pretty clear on why siding with Holiday's statement being 2-A is just, no offense, desperation for an upgrade. Any other verse would never be given an upgrade this humongous for evidence so very little in scope as this.
Don't need a lot of evidence if your statement is clear-cut and this is more attacking people and comparing to other verses than actually addressing my points.
Yeah no. If she isn't solely speaking about universes, what else would she be talking about that Ben 10 wouldnt already have for their Multiversal cosmology? The only thing differing from parallel worlds would be higher d realities, which is even more reason on why this upgrade is unfounded based off of Holiday.
Pocket dimensions and infinitely large dimensions (such as the Null Void) are also dimensions, unless we conclude that every dimension is universe sized (and thus the Null Void's size being officially retconned) then that's also fine by me.
Yes I know, which is part of why im against Generator Rex being allowed to judge Ben 10's Cosmology size when, outside of this crossover episode, they never remotely tackle into such a thing for their own verse. The highest thing they deal with is strictly in the matters of the scope of their own universe and nothing outside it.
Did you see Rex and Breach being outside the universe (most likely)? Also does when it happened really matter? In the crossover it was revealed that Caesar built a Dimensional Disruptor, this is just backstory that happens to be dropped during the crossover which is completely canon to Gen Rex. Also generally universe-altering weapons such as the meta-nanites give people a higher intelligence rating than knowing how many parallel universes there are.
Of course, im not even denying the possibility existing. But we don't rate such things here based of possibilities. Without clear explicit evidence, something like this rises into a whole area of speculation that is too vague to accept. Remember, extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence the higher you climb a tier.
I'm wondering would you be open to a possibly rating? Not saying that I'm going for that but maybe if the opinions on this are divided enough (This basically comes down to opinion on how smart and credible Holiday is regarding the matter and don't involve Paradox, if Paradox's statement is not applicable, do you accept a possibly?) I might be open to that.
Okay? Thats cool and dandy, but making a cure for some poison and literally possessing knowledge on the existence of whole entire different universes outside of your own is such a massive difference in knowledge that its incomprehensible. Thats like saying someone using technology to cure an unknown illness can suddenly rise to speak about interstellar matters regarding our universe.
This was an example of her working speed, not of her intelligence.
When speaking about something as vast as the subject of alternate realities, you must have incredibly big knowledge to be a credible source to speak upon it.
Doctor Holiday has a very vast knowledge, she knows how to function as an astronaut and nanites in Gen Rex are a combination of (one of) the 3 highest-technological branches currently existing: Bio-mechanical integration, AI and micro-engineering thus requiring a vast knowledge if you want to make a cure for them.
Maybe being "ignorant" was the wrong choice of words here. The point here is that for most of this crossover, Holiday was denying the idea that parallel worlds exist and didn't believe in the idea that they do. Now nearing the end of the crossover, she suddenly plays around with equations and jumps to the conclusion that not only do they do exist, but theres an infinite amount of them???
30 minutes out of half a day is not most of the crossover. Also like I said before is infinite is accurate just like our own possible multiverse then why is it a big deal when she mentions infinite?
But its not already established in Ben 10. Holiday's statement is whats supposed to jump Ben 10 up to an infinite multiverse in the first place. Whats already established is that Ben 10 has a vast expanding Multiverse, not an already infinite one. And Ben 10 being a multiverse before this crossover happened doesnt make her anymore right.
I meant parallel universes already being established, it would be different if neither show had any allusion to parallel universes and suddenly there's infinite of them, instead Gen Rex builds on already existing concepts such as the Null Void and expands them.
Well first off, he obviously wouldnt mention "Complex Multiversal" literally in his answer as that term because Vs Debating terms are next to entirely non-existent to authors. Second, his answer involves the Multiverse because the fan was asking if Celestialsapiens were considered Multiversal aliens to begin with, which already suggests the answer isn't serious. Why do we need to sit here and selectively pick what part of the answer we think is serious, and what isnt serious, just so an upgrade is pushed? Thats not explicit, thats cherry picking what we want.
The answer is to questions 1 and 2 and doesn't have anything to do with question 3 which mentions Complex Multiversal.
We also see that Derrick never responded to anything else that fan was asking of him either, which suggests more that Derrick threw him a bone so he could get him to shut up. Just like many authors do with annoying fan-related questions. This is precisely why Matthew explained in Cal's thread that authors who give detailed explantions to people who have the jobs in asking questions like that should be the only author answers accepted as evidence here.
Yet Atomix is still accepted to be 5-A and there are several author statements that we use, we just need to judge them case-by-case, I say that in this case it's applicable. Also I think Derrick did respond to other stuff the fan asked.
Not to mention, Derrick starts his response with I dont believe the entire Multiverse is rebooted. Why would an author to their own series use guesswork?
Door answered this already.
