In character, Goku has never showned to you know, one shot a opponent as far as I am aware especially since he is kinda a battle maniac in that regard.
Cosmic Garou is able to jump from 4-C to 4-A in quite literally less than one second, and you're forgetting that both him and saitama don't have a limiter, meaning they can become as strong as they want
In a literal sense? There's a few. Drum, Recoom etc. In a less literal sense: Tambourine, Jeece, Yakon etc. But most of his opponents started out stronger than he is.
This description is also awful. Unless it's in a tournament with nothing at stake, he won't be doing this. Especially not against serious threats.
Gives cell a senzu bean
Tbf, oneshot a weaker opponent does apply too
I recall various fights in Super when Goku doesn't auto go max power and one shot his foes instantly. In fact, it's repeatedly pointed out that he has a habit of cycling through his transformations one by one to drag a fight out.
It was not in less than a second, but using tiers to determine their jumps in power is iffy anyway. Has anyone in OPM actually become thousands of times stronger via in-verse scaling? Probably not.
Against fodders that weren't a real threat. This mostly happened in the ToP, too, where they were trying to save their stamina as much as possible.
There is Kelfa too
pretty sure 4-A from 4-C is thousands of times difference
I asked you for in-verse scaling. Again, using tiers is iffy, but it says enough that that's what you have to use for your argument.
Vegeta jumped from 4B to 3A in one rage boost.
You were referring to Vegata’s rage boost when Vegeta was training and stuff. We literally were provided instances of him training on screen so again, not sure if it is that relevant at all.
He was still consistent to his lie. Else they would have found out about him lying.
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Vegeta couldn't sense his God Ki, neither could Goku at the time Beerus said he was using his supposed 10% against Vegeta
They don't need to. They can still feel his strength in his punches and kicks...so much that Goku could tell that even a fusion can't beat Beerus
Goku is explicitly stated and shown to cycle through his transformations in order to draw out an opponent's full power in the pursuit of "ultimate battles". His reluctance to instantly go full power doesn't only apply to "fodders" that pose no threat.
Saitama and Garou are still 5A. And Saitama didn't even get his RPL yet
So these things aren't accepted either (yet)
There's no reason to deny Saitama having RPL though. Him having RPL is basically universally accepted because it's explicit, it just isn't on the profile yet.Saitama and Garou are still 5A. And Saitama didn't even get his RPL yet
But how would they know? Beerus used his supposed 10% against Vegeta, and his supposed 100% against Goku. Goku wasn't there when Beerus fought Vegeta, so he couldn't even watch the fight to disprove anything
A fusion which is 4-B
You are comparing Vegeta being 3-A with rage power, something that is not accepted in the wiki since it only accepts Vegeta being unquantificable above SSJ3 Goku, with Garou and Saitama's power, which is not updated because we were waiting to the end of their fight to update them, and all things are obvious because there is a literal explanation about how their RPL works?Saitama and Garou are still 5A. And Saitama didn't even get his RPL yet
Doesn't make the point invalid in any way.
Correction: Goku was there. He even made fun of Vegeta because he said "my bulma". He was simply observing from a distance. And he can still sense Vegeta's PL as a proxy because Beerus and him were going toe to toe when he made the statement of 10%. When he became SSJG he was capable of sensing god ki.
Things need to be accepted until they can be used. That's how it works. If you are impatient make a CRT and get it done. Unless Maverick Zero wants to bend the rules just for the sake of arguments :OO
You really think Goku, someone who can't even count and is dumb on anything not related to combat will ever see that lie? He didn't even catch Monaka's true power lie, he didn't know the ki was from Beerus when he fought against false Monaka, etc. You really, really think Goku'll see that power gap? If he had so strong senses, how didn't he notice the hit Monaka landed on Hit wasn't powerful, but Hit was the one who let himself lose?
Says the one talking about 3-A Rage Power Vegeta, which is not accepted. Plus, again, don't compare Vegeta scaling to Beerus' hypothetical percentages headcanon with an actual explicit explanation made by the narrator explaining Saitama's growth
Goku's testing his strength against someone he knows is stronger. He's not playing around for the sake of a good fight. Also, enjoying a good fight against a strong opponent is not nearly the same as letting them purposely reach their full power.
Frieza and Goku have history, but even they transformed pretty soon to fight at full power. Goku Black was not a threat here, and Goku even says he doesn't know what for sort of person GB is.
This doesn’t actually change anything about what I said. He’d still be able to copy Vegeta getting a rage boost 10 billion times over, and then instantly surpass it since his development is exponential as opposed to the Saiyans being arbitrary and not really on the same level.
You are right sir but this has one huge logically error. This would imply Beerus actually knows Goku...a guy he just met. He had no reason to assume that Goku is a brainless monkey.
If you are pulling the " You can't use things that are not accepted" -card instead of arguments to win the debate , I am going to retaliate the same way.
This is just getting baseless.
Which came from the result of Goku training in early parts of DB, not DBZ or later.
Saiyan's RPL is exponential as well
Well so is Garou’s, but Saitama was able to leave him in the dust quite quickly
Saiyan's RPL is exponential as well
I already explained this
Again, show Beerus used actually just 10x more power with Goku that what he used against Vegeta.
Again: don't compare. You are just inflating Vegeta's growth to show it being greater than Saitama's, with headcanon and no actual proof more than "But Beerus said he used 100% against Goku and just 10% against Vegeta, he wouldn't make it incoherent for a lie, right?", which is more a headcanon than an actual and factual thing, unlike Saitama's growth.
do you know what an outlier is? If you know, you should already know that argue something about a character whose full strength was completely unknown and that is directly the god tier of his verse is an outlier is dumb.
"Saitama was constantly growing", "no one noticed it because no one forced him to be 100% so far", "because of his emotions, his growing started to soar". Instead of explaining the process of accepting an ability, something I already know, show how Saitama's growth is contradicted or an outlier, as you want to call it.
