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Oh my god just read someone saying transformations are fixed increases for a sayian.
I hate arguments like these ngl
I hate arguments like these ngl
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Which did happen as I give you the link to it.
Tbf that was before DBZ as well. Either way, it is fair"Suddenly began to soar exponentially due to an upsurge of emotion like none he had ever experienced" Sounds more like a situational temporary emotional amp to his growthrate similar to a rage amp to RPL that Saiyan's like Gohan have. His normal growthrate was rather pretty flat, almost a constant without the emotional amp at the beginning.
Also Saiyans have exponential increase as well. In this case Goku's PL went from 139 to 180 which is a 29% increase in PL units but an exponential increase in strength and speed
2) 4B Vegeta reached 10% of Beerus supposed 100% power which is 3A in one rage amp.
If we assume that Saitama has access to his emotional amp all the time, we should assume that Goku likewise has constantly access to his anger amp to his RPL as well which boosts his already exponential RPL
They aren't?! I always thought they were treated as stat amps that multiply their stats.Oh my god just read someone saying transformations are fixed increases for a sayian.
I hate arguments like these ngl
The multipliers are fixed. That's how the series works. Their increase however are overlayed with RPL increase on top of them which is why Gohan simply didn't just get a 2x increase from SSJ 2.Oh my god just read someone saying transformations are fixed increases for a sayian.
Feel free to debate . Spoiler: You will get stomped ^.^hate arguments like these ngl
no ...The multipliers are fixed. That's how the series works. Their increase however are overlayed with RPL increase on top of them which is why Gohan simply didn't just get a 2x increase from SSJ 2.
Feel free to debate . Spoiler: You will get stomped ^.^
I think they are.Oh my god just read someone saying transformations are fixed increases for a sayian.
On this site Bleach vs Naruto is comparatively more toxic, I haven't seen GokuvSaitama devolve into insult flinging on this forum yet.Honest question: Is Ichigo vs Naruto more toxic than Goku vs Saitama?
ah the, hill level vs mid level debates are the funniestIchigo vs Naruto
Yeah no, the worst you are at powerscaling the more toxic you tend to be. There are at least arguments Bleach is only Tier 5. Saitama powerscalers are willing to argue Saitama is "Tier 0" (the new buzzword). This is around where people start doxxing.On this site Bleach vs Naruto is comparatively more toxic, I haven't seen GokuvSaitama devolve into insult flinging on this forum yet.
Off-site they're both equally toxic.
some even got it at like tier 6.Bleach debates tend to be toxic because it is controversial with its powerscaling. Some people believe it should be Tier 5, others that it should be Tier 4, others that it's universal level. So there's already a lot of diverging opinions from the start.
There is at least one person for every verse that thinks it's 10-B.some even got it at like tier 6.
i mean...i personally got it at 10-C.There is at least one person for every verse that thinks it's 10-B.
Isn't that the case though? I thought Saiyans increased their base level which was then boosted by transformation.Oh my god just read someone saying transformations are fixed increases for a sayian.
I hate arguments like these ngl
The transformations themselves get stronger over time. It’s a fixed multiplier from previous forms tho.Isn't that the case though? I thought Saiyans increased their base level which was then boosted by transformation.
Uhhhh, I don't know about that one chief. I'm under the impression SSJ is still a 50x multiplier.The transformations themselves get stronger over time. It’s a fixed multiplier from previous forms tho.
Wasn’t vegeta training for a whole ass year with trunks in the time chamber to get that strong :/. It was just a day for 18, so that’s why she said it was a short period?
There was a timeline where Future Trunk’s Goku did die… during the arcs of DBZ so much yeahThey are fighting in the dragon ball universe, on planet namek. kid goku is on earth. And anyways, in db, Time traveling like that will just create another universe.
Not sure on that as it wasn’t accepted per se.Uhhhh, I don't know about that one chief. I'm under the impression SSJ is still a 50x multiplier.
Check the Verse notes. SSJ was accepted as a 50x multiplierNot sure on that as it wasn’t accepted per se.
Oh okay. But is that proven to being linear or just exponential?
Oh never mind as it apparently for speed stuff too. Huh, okay.
Absorbed what? If he absorbed SSG, then how tf can he turned into SSG in the TOP later on. He made SSG’s power( not the form) his own despite losing the form.It's literally stated to be absorbed into base. Nothing about what you said contradicts that.
SSG's powerAbsorbed what?
also garou might have implied saitama to have used the same power mimicry he did which lets him bridge a gap instantly instead of just over time, so.... if saitama instantly copied mui then it'd become a stomp in quite literally a few secondsif this is the peak saitama from garou fight (with stats equal) then he just time travels and beats the shit out of an off guard past goku
if this is without that then saitama would just go and match goku every time he went to the next level of super saiyan (like he did against jiren) but saitama can fodderize goku if the fight lasts like a minute, since even MUI isn't gonna be able to deal with him strengthening exponentially that quickly
but if goku just goes blue and blitzes instantly and one shots (out of character) then saitama can't really put up a fight
In super going blue isnt oocbut if goku just goes blue and blitzes instantly and one shots (out of character)
no, I was referring to the rest of the part you replied toIn super going blue isnt ooc
It is literally in the OP that stats are equalized on both roundsFight starts out with Stats Equalized, at least until both fighters begin to amp themselves
saitama would just go and match goku every time he went to the next level of super saiyan
Overestimating Saitama's RPL & PM quite a bit here lol.saitama instantly copied mui
In R1 he'd be massively stronger once he turns SSB, so that shouldn't be a problem. Goku's Damage Boost is also pretty crazy; he can easily triple his power with a simple Kamehameha.The problem with that is the “One shot” part as there isn’t anything that say he is capable of oneshoting a comparable opponent to him throughout the entire series so it is not a good argument to rely on tbf especially with all stats equalized and with all amps on table