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Oh my god just read someone saying transformations are fixed increases for a sayian.
I hate arguments like these ngl
I hate arguments like these ngl
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Infinite potential: Saitama vs Goku
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Which did happen as I give you the link to it.
Tbf that was before DBZ as well. Either way, it is fair"Suddenly began to soar exponentially due to an upsurge of emotion like none he had ever experienced" Sounds more like a situational temporary emotional amp to his growthrate similar to a rage amp to RPL that Saiyan's like Gohan have. His normal growthrate was rather pretty flat, almost a constant without the emotional amp at the beginning.
Also Saiyans have exponential increase as well. In this case Goku's PL went from 139 to 180 which is a 29% increase in PL units but an exponential increase in strength and speed
2) 4B Vegeta reached 10% of Beerus supposed 100% power which is 3A in one rage amp.
If we assume that Saitama has access to his emotional amp all the time, we should assume that Goku likewise has constantly access to his anger amp to his RPL as well which boosts his already exponential RPL
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They aren't?! I always thought they were treated as stat amps that multiply their stats.
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The multipliers are fixed. That's how the series works. Their increase however are overlayed with RPL increase on top of them which is why Gohan simply didn't just get a 2x increase from SSJ 2.
Feel free to debate . Spoiler: You will get stomped ^.^
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Nah this thread gotta go to hell.
DivineAura44
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I think they are.
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On this site Bleach vs Naruto is comparatively more toxic, I haven't seen GokuvSaitama devolve into insult flinging on this forum yet.
Off-site they're both equally toxic.
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ah the, hill level vs mid level debates are the funniest
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Yeah no, the worst you are at powerscaling the more toxic you tend to be. There are at least arguments Bleach is only Tier 5. Saitama powerscalers are willing to argue Saitama is "Tier 0" (the new buzzword). This is around where people start doxxing.
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some even got it at like tier 6.
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There is at least one person for every verse that thinks it's 10-B.
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i mean...i personally got it at 10-C.
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Isn't that the case though? I thought Saiyans increased their base level which was then boosted by transformation.
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The transformations themselves get stronger over time. It’s a fixed multiplier from previous forms tho.
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Uhhhh, I don't know about that one chief. I'm under the impression SSJ is still a 50x multiplier.
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Wasn’t vegeta training for a whole ass year with trunks in the time chamber to get that strong :/. It was just a day for 18, so that’s why she said it was a short period?
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There was a timeline where Future Trunk’s Goku did die… during the arcs of DBZ so much yeah
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Not sure on that as it wasn’t accepted per se.
Also Kid Goku was also training hence why he was growing stronger. We know that Goku trains a lot before battles and stuff too
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Oh okay. But is that proven to being linear or just exponential?
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Oh never mind as it apparently for speed stuff too. Huh, okay.
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Goku never absorbed SSG in the anime. The form still exists and can be tapped into by Goku in the TOP and Vegeta in DBS: Broly. Beerus literally stated that despite losing the form, SSG’s power had already fused with Goku’s being, he even said that Goku had already made SSG’s power his own and perfected it. Heck even DBS Ep13 title is: “Goku, Surpass Super Saiyan God”
Whis further explained that Goku can’t use SSG anymore and his God ki has converted back into normal Ki, however, his power still retained.
Vegeta also stated that Goku has surpassed the level of GODs and he evolved during the battle with Beerus
At the end of BOG, base Goku, heavily weakened and fatigued, received another Zenkai and nullified the energy ball made by Beerus and SSJ Goku just moments earlier. Goku even said to Beerus that he can’t decide one’s limit.
All the feats and statements come from many different reliable sources prove that Goku despite losing the SSG form and God Ki that he received from the ritual, his power stayed the same. So yeah, his base form prior to the SSG adaptation is 4B, after that it’s 3A. Goku went from 4B to 3A via SSG, after that, he lose the transformation due to time limit. However, his base form gradually adapted to SSG’s power. His base went from 4B to 3A in one arc.
Whis further explained that Goku can’t use SSG anymore and his God ki has converted back into normal Ki, however, his power still retained.
Vegeta also stated that Goku has surpassed the level of GODs and he evolved during the battle with Beerus
At the end of BOG, base Goku, heavily weakened and fatigued, received another Zenkai and nullified the energy ball made by Beerus and SSJ Goku just moments earlier. Goku even said to Beerus that he can’t decide one’s limit.
All the feats and statements come from many different reliable sources prove that Goku despite losing the SSG form and God Ki that he received from the ritual, his power stayed the same. So yeah, his base form prior to the SSG adaptation is 4B, after that it’s 3A. Goku went from 4B to 3A via SSG, after that, he lose the transformation due to time limit. However, his base form gradually adapted to SSG’s power. His base went from 4B to 3A in one arc.
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It's literally stated to be absorbed into base. Nothing about what you said contradicts that.
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Absorbed what? If he absorbed SSG, then how tf can he turned into SSG in the TOP later on. He made SSG’s power( not the form) his own despite losing the form.
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SSG's power
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if this is the peak saitama from garou fight (with stats equal) then he just time travels and beats the shit out of an off guard past goku
if this is without that then saitama would just go and match goku every time he went to the next level of super saiyan (like he did against jiren) but saitama can fodderize goku if the fight lasts like a minute, since even MUI isn't gonna be able to deal with him strengthening exponentially that quickly
but if goku just goes blue and blitzes instantly and one shots (out of character) then saitama can't really put up a fight
if this is without that then saitama would just go and match goku every time he went to the next level of super saiyan (like he did against jiren) but saitama can fodderize goku if the fight lasts like a minute, since even MUI isn't gonna be able to deal with him strengthening exponentially that quickly
but if goku just goes blue and blitzes instantly and one shots (out of character) then saitama can't really put up a fight
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also garou might have implied saitama to have used the same power mimicry he did which lets him bridge a gap instantly instead of just over time, so.... if saitama instantly copied mui then it'd become a stomp in quite literally a few seconds
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In super going blue isnt ooc
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no, I was referring to the rest of the part you replied to
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It is literally in the OP that stats are equalized on both rounds
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Overestimating Saitama's RPL & PM quite a bit here lol.
It also isn't really OOC for Goku to one-shot his opponent, unless he's fighting in a tournament. His opponents just happen to be stronger than him most of the time.
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The problem with that is the “One shot” part as there isn’t anything that say he is capable of oneshoting a comparable opponent to him throughout the entire series so it is not a good argument to rely on tbf especially with all stats equalized and with all amps on table
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And when I think of one shots, I usually think of ending the fight in literally one hit or one attack.
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In R1 he'd be massively stronger once he turns SSB, so that shouldn't be a problem. Goku's Damage Boost is also pretty crazy; he can easily triple his power with a simple Kamehameha.
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