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Neither. It wasn't a zenkai; he just grew stronger and mastered his strength.
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Infinite potential: Saitama vs Goku
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He was going at full power since chapter 167, but Garou didn't match him until he copied his full power at end of 167-beginning of 168, where his growth started to soar
Before that, Saitama was just stomping Garou
Before that, Saitama was just stomping Garou
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He couldn't get any excitement from the fight because Garou murdered his friend. In any other case he'd be exhilarated to find a challenging opponent.
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DivineAura44
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When he fell to the Earth and everyone thought he was dead, he definitely got a zenkai then. I'm asking if he absorbed SSG into base before or after that.
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Via transformation as well. Remember, he did achieve transformations from training too
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He wasn’t that injured and he was fine from what I recall in the anime so not sure if that counts as a Zenkai.
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Goku disses him like he did to UUB
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"Suddenly began to soar exponentially due to an upsurge of emotion like none he had ever experienced" Sounds more like a situational temporary emotional amp to his growthrate similar to a rage amp to RPL that Saiyan's like Gohan have. His normal growthrate was rather pretty flat, almost a constant without the emotional amp at the beginning.
Also Saiyans have exponential increase as well. In this case Goku's PL went from 139 to 180 which is a 29% increase in PL units but an exponential increase in strength and speed
2) 4B Vegeta reached 10% of Beerus supposed 100% power which is 3A in one rage amp.
If we assume that Saitama has access to his emotional amp all the time, we should assume that Goku likewise has constantly access to his anger amp to his RPL as well which boosts his already exponential RPL
Also Saiyans have exponential increase as well. In this case Goku's PL went from 139 to 180 which is a 29% increase in PL units but an exponential increase in strength and speed
2) 4B Vegeta reached 10% of Beerus supposed 100% power which is 3A in one rage amp.
If we assume that Saitama has access to his emotional amp all the time, we should assume that Goku likewise has constantly access to his anger amp to his RPL as well which boosts his already exponential RPL
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https://**********/read/gist/OPM/168/19/ After that scan you show me."Suddenly began to soar exponentially due to an upsurge of emotion like none he had ever experienced" Sounds more like a situational temporary emotional amp to his growthrate similar to a rage amp to RPL that Saiyan's like Gohan have. His normal growthrate was rather pretty flat, almost a constant without the emotional amp at the beginning.
Also Saiyans have exponential increase as well. In this case Goku's PL went from 139 to 180 which is a 29% increase in PL units but an exponential increase in strength and speed
2) 4B Vegeta reached 10% of Beerus supposed 100% power which is 3A in one rage amp.
If we assume that Saitama has access to his emotional amp all the time, we should assume that Goku likewise has constantly access to his anger amp to his RPL as well which boosts his already exponential RPL
SirAlex09
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He simply reached a level where Garou could no longer keep up. Similar to their fight where Pre God Amp Garou was left in the dust in their first bout.
RPL is only meaningful when you can somewhat keep up.
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https://**********/read/gist/OPM/167/51/
Also here is another thing though, Garou was trying to copy his strength which was stated to being limitlessly it seems
DivineAura44
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He reached Jiren's level in transformations the wiki itself says is finite.
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I know. That further supports what I'm saying though. Because despite all of this, his RPL didn't go crazy until somehwere in chapter 168.
He isn't really excited in chapter 168 either though. His RPL looks very random.
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Much later.
DivineAura44
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Oh alright, haven't seen BoG in a while.
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There is the statement made by Garou that he was trying to copy Saitama’s strength which was limitless (stated by Garou) it seems going by the translation so it is actually insane then.
https://**********/read/gist/OPM/167/51/
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No.Ssjb goku got curbstomped by suprssed jiren
But later on he could keep up with supressed jiren with ssjb
Goku clearly got stronger
DivineAura44
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Actually better counter. Garou saying limitless means nothing considering we don't know how much he can sense.
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Not necessarily since by definition. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/limitless
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Then he got MUI in order to fight against Jiren though. Also not sure on this regard
DivineAura44
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Origin of dictionary? I'd argue oxford is probably more accepted.
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This isn't a defeater to his argument.
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What? From a simple Google search, Oxford is without a limit, very great too
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Look at the profile
Sasjb Goku is low 2c because he can keep up with suppressed jiren
Even though before that, Goku even while using kaioken got his shit curb stomped
Its clear that he got steonger
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Yep, this is what Fun and Games is all about.
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Same for Saitama since he also get stronger in battle too, that being the case.
All stats are equalized so there is that since this fight was for fun.
@Maverick_Zero_X You did start this lol
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There is also the RPing thread which is ongoing .
DivineAura44
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If you search up limitless' definition in google, google will tell you great and huge are synonyms of limitless.
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Synonyms are only words that has similar meaning. We don’t ignore the meanings of individual words just because of synonyms unless you want to argue great = limitless which is incountable.
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A synonym is also a word that can be used within the context of a statement as a replacement of another word. But if that isn't enough for you, as I said before the word "limitless" isn't credible from Garou's mouth. We do not know the upper limit of his senses. Prove he can sense anything beyond his own level. Let alone something truly limitless.
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DB and OPM fans being scared of accepting one can be stronger than the other.
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In the Kefla vs Goku fight , SSJB Goku was equal to legendary SSJ Kefla until he went blue kaioken x20 and oneshot her. She then gapped the 20x gap in an instant and oneshot him in return. He then went UI Sign and was matching her RPL which is 20x increase per time unit. In fact her RPL growth rate was increasing even more... and Goku could still keep up with his own RPL
MUI's "base" reactive PL is underestimated.
Now imagine if we add anger amp to the whole thing like when he was pissed against Jiren.
MUI's "base" reactive PL is underestimated.
Now imagine if we add anger amp to the whole thing like when he was pissed against Jiren.
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Champa states Goku was just tired. Kefla isn't above SSB Goku.
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??XDD.
We are talking about percentage increase since transformations are multipliers. The multiplier doesn't get less because someone is tired. (That's the whole point about multipliers being potentially lethal in the series. ) It just means that the baselevel which is multiplied is less. So Kefla still closed a 20x gap in an instant.
Not that it matters: I just watched the fight. Champa said he still hasn't fully recovered his full stamina ( and thus can't use his more stamina taxing transformations for long like SSJB, Kaioken x20 and SSJ3) and Beerus adds using Kaioken without full stamina is risky. His power was still above his previous peaks since everyone was stating that he is getting stronger from the fight.
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True inconclusive match
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What? That doesn’t disprove what Garou say from him fighting Saitama. Why are ignoring that l?
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That argument isn’t good given how his powers was gifted by G man in OPM
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It sounds like you are saying Garou was trying to copy an infinite amount.
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