Saitama vs Goku

[Bernkastelll]

he still gonna get super injured.

Why are we assuming Saitama won't be able to deflect the genkidama? plus hurting saitama means giving him more strength

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Why are we assuming Saitama won't be able to deflect the genkidama?

I don't think we have enough evidence to say that Saitama is pure of heart tbh

 

[MrTayman616]

Ehh, Goku will really only use it if he starts losing badly, and Saitama doesn't really have any reason to assume it would be too dangerous.

Btw a Base Goku projectile Spirit Bomb is doing nothing to Saitama at this point, its best feat is killing an already wounded Lord Slug, who's stronger than Frieza, but that's about it. That's why this Spirit Bomb idea really only works if Goku absorbs it as a Super Saiyan.

"Saitama doesn't really have any reason to assume it would be too dangerous." and? that's the point of him being an amazing judge of character. he understands it.

Also yeah, it's not doing much against Saitama here.

Why are we assuming Saitama won't be able to deflect the genkidama? plus hurting saitama means giving him more strength

We're trying to see if he can lose :d jokes aside, It wont do much to Saitama anyway.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Why are we assuming Saitama won't be able to deflect the genkidama?

Goku can aim in a position where Saitama can't deflect the attack.

 

[Epiccheev]

Saitama has good person Ki, so the Genkidama would look at itself on his bald head, question it's choices and leave

 

[Robo432343]

saitama copies goku and turns into gokutama

 

[Bernkastelll]

Goku can aim in a position where Saitama can't deflect the attack.

That aint happening sir

 

[MrTayman616]

Goku can aim in a position where Saitama can't deflect the attack.

What kind of position is that :d

Saitama deflects it. If he can't, he overpowers it since it's mid battle, He's already become way too strong. If he can't, Willpower + AD while trying to resist against it. If he can't, Immortality type 2 + Explosive Growth. After any of these, he goes and one shots Goku.

 

[Epiccheev]

I don't think we have enough evidence to say that Saitama is pure of heart tbh

Extra chapter Saitama can be argued, main story Saitama can get angry enough to not care about destroying the planet, so i'd say nah.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

upsurge emotions don't need to come with anger, it can also come with the joy of having an amazing fight, Saitama is always bored cuz nobody was able to match him, if he meet someone strong enough then he will have an upsurge of emotions

Now that’s headcanon the literal only example we see in the series of him doing this was when he was pissed off. It’s more then likely a rage boost essentially since the shock of seeing a friend die is not comparable to literal boredom.

 

[Bernkastelll]

was when he was pissed off

No, it was when Garou copied his full strength, if it was due to him being just pissed off he would have killed Garou with their first punches

 

[Fezzih_007]

What kind of position is that :d

If he teleports right in front of Saitama where he is about to launch the attack, like he does with a Instant kamehameha.

he overpowers it since it's mid battle

Considering it can one-shot people much stronger than Goku, that's a "perhaps he does it or perhaps he not" situation.

Willpower + AD while trying to resist against it. If he can't, Immortality type 2 + Explosive Growth.

How exactly this two are not the same thing?

So anyway, Saitama still gonna get very injured by the attack and since he can't recover healt, Goku can eat a senzu bean, gain a zenkai boost which is 10x multiplier, and defeat the badly injured Saitama;

Goku wouldn't go SSJ and one shot but he would... checks notes... go straight for a Spirit Bomb.

VSBW moment

Tbf, I not taking this debate serious since my opposition are also not doing that, so I not using good argument,s

 

[MrTayman616]

Considering it can one-shot people much stronger than Goku, that's a "perhaps he does it or perhaps he not" situation.

That's ignoring Saitama's insane AD, or saying it wont happen. Also the level it showed isn't that high compared to Characters themselves.

How exactly this two are not the same thing?

the second one is Explosive Growth while being in near death situation

 

[Bernkastelll]

If he teleports right in front of Saitama where he is about to launch the attack, like he does with a Instant kamehameha.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Saitama FRA

 

[Bernkastelll]

So anyway, Saitama still gonna get very injured by the attack

Those with great willpower are not easily damaged by being injured even if they are in a near-death or straight up death state

 

[MrTayman616]

So anyway, Saitama still gonna get very injured by the attack and since he can't recover healt, Goku can eat a senzu bean, gain a zenkai boost which is 10x multiplier, and defeat the badly injured Saitama;

Garou with willpower + Immortality type 2 continues to fight and overpower his opponent like it's nothing after all of his bones in his chest has been shattered into pieces and Garou stated he'll die if it'd hit.

 

[Robo432343]

saitama fra

 

[Bernkastelll]

I never thought I was going to see Saitama defeating Goku in a VS Match

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Saitama FRA btw

 

[RedReaper616]

Question—Why hasn’t anyone brought up that Goku can pull off a Hail Mary Kaioken times one hundred if he’s on the back foot? Like, if Saitama starts growing in a way Goku notices, before he gets too close Goku can just power down, go KKx100, and try again for a single last ditch attack or two before losing.

Also, (Toei) Instant Transmission doesn’t work…at all like Garou’s portals. Yeah, Saitama caught Garou, but it was being so fast he appeared on the other side and punching him back up. Goku on the other hand literally just appears in a new dimension (no portal) and travels through that realm before rematerializing in normal space. Said Dimension transcends space and time, allowing him to move “instantly.” Essentially allowing Goku to always be faster, because he’s attacking in a way that simulates (but isn’t really) moving in 0 time.

I’m not voting Goku, by the way. I just think it’s a bit weird how some of the stuff Goku can do is being brushed over a bit.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Didn't he need Piccolo's help to use KKx100? I don't see him going for it before SSJ either, SSJ's only x2 weaker and doesn't almost kill him after one attack.
And if he does end up going for it after Saitama started overpowering him in SSJ, KKx100 would only make him x2 more powerful, so doubt it'd help Goku beat him by then.

Honestly I don't see either Saitama or Goku going ultra-serious do or die mode here tbh
Saitama would view Goku as a human and as such won't aim to kill him, and Goku will sense that Saitama doesn't have killing intent.

I agree on the portal != Instant Transmission stuff tho

 

[RedReaper616]

Didn't he need Piccolo's help to use KKx100?

Yes, but that was specifically because he was low on Ki in itself after a grueling battle, using False SSJ, etc. There’s no reason to presume he couldn’t do so by himself if he has a substantial amount of energy. Even ignoring that, he was able to charge a Super Spirit Bomb incredibly quickly in the Super Android 13 Movie, which means he’d have more than enough additional energy.

I don't see him going for it before SSJ either, SSJ's only x2 weaker and doesn't almost kill him after one attack.

Sure, but I don’t mean once Saitama has exceeded him. Just when Saitama demonstrates his explosive growth, before the Caped Baldy gets too close in power he can widen the gap. I’d say Super Kaioken, because it’s an equal multiplier, but that only occurs in the Otherworld Tournament, after Goku has grown “significantly” in strength by literally just watching fights and getting a minor workout.

And if he does end up going for it after Saitama started overpowering him in SSJ, KKx100 will only make him x2 more powerful, so doubt it'd help Goku beat him by then.

True.

0Honestly I don't see either Saitama or Goku going ultra-serious do or die mode here tbh
Saitama would view Goku as a human and as such won't aim to kill him, and Goku will sense that Saitama doesn't have killing intent.

I mean, I think it depends on how much SBA affects them. It is supposed to have the characters think something really bad is gonna happen if they lose, so presumably Goku would be down to go all out. Not immediately, but after testing the waters. However, Goku’s perception WOULD inform him how Saitama isn’t really a bad guy, and that would impede his performance.

I agree on the portal != Instant Transmission stuff tho

Thanks.

 

[Kachon123]

Question—Why hasn’t anyone brought up that Goku can pull off a Hail Mary Kaioken times one hundred if he’s on the back foot? Like, if Saitama starts growing in a way Goku notices, before he gets too close Goku can just power down, go KKx100, and try again for a single last ditch attack or two before losing.

Also, (Toei) Instant Transmission doesn’t work…at all like Garou’s portals. Yeah, Saitama caught Garou, but it was being so fast he appeared on the other side and punching him back up. Goku on the other hand literally just appears in a new dimension (no portal) and travels through that realm before rematerializing in normal space. Said Dimension transcends space and time, allowing him to move “instantly.” Essentially allowing Goku to always be faster, because he’s attacking in a way that simulates (but isn’t really) moving in 0 time.

I’m not voting Goku, by the way. I just think it’s a bit weird how some of the stuff Goku can do is being brushed over a bit.

KK100 is a 100x amp, while Saitama can easily amp himself by over 58x in a very short period of time, which only gets exponentially higher as the fight prolongs. That being Goku's Hail Mary is not a good thing when the difference is at most 2x and afterwards he's left more susceptible to damage.

 

[Robo432343]

what if saitama copies KKx100

 

[Fezzih_007]

That's ignoring Saitama's insane AD, or saying it wont happen. Also the level it showed isn't that high compared to Characters themselves.

Not really, I take account on that.

Those with great willpower are not easily damaged by being injured even if they are in a near-death or straight up death state

Garou with willpower + Immortality type 2 continues to fight and overpower his opponent like it's nothing after all of his bones in his chest has been shattered into pieces and Garou stated he'll die if it'd hit.

Ok, but my argument is that even him resisting, Goku can still heal himself for his injured, gain a zenkai boost (10x boost) and he gonna be fine compared to the injured Saitama, and defeat him then.

 

[Kachon123]

what if saitama copies KKx100

That's true, he definitely could do that.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Those with great willpower are not easily damaged by being injured even if they are in a near-death or straight up death state

Ok, but my argument is that even him resisting, Goku can still heal himself for his injured, gain a zenkai boost (10x boost) and he gonna be fine compared to the injured Saitama, and defeat him then.

see the scans i sent there (somehow its glitched and it looks like you're answering to it but you're not, i just placed it in the wrong place)

 

[RedReaper616]

That is another thing. Toei Goku has Senzu Beans as standard equipment. If Saitama grows too much for ordinary Goku, what prevents him from eating a Senzu Bean, getting dramatically stronger, and then using his transformation(s) on top of that? And if it doesn’t work the first time, the second or third? I mean, Goku’s largest and last Zenkai Boost we got numbers on was a (bare minimum) 33x jump. Stack that with other power ups and Goku can create a bigger gulf for Saitama to overcome he can exploit by beating the Caped Baldy before he gets strong enough to be an issue again.

 

[MrTayman616]

Ok, but my argument is that even him resisting, Goku can still heal himself for his injured, gain a zenkai boost (10x boost) and he gonna be fine compared to the injured Saitama, and defeat him then.

I'm saying he can't. That's the point. Injured doesn't mean anything here, Immortality type 2 comes with resistance to Immense Pain. Garou continued to fight like it's nothing after near-death moment, his chest is all broken, and moving like It's nothing and overpowered the opponent who was casually beating him. And that's assuming that Saitama chooses to not stop him within 10 seconds, weirdly can't overpower Spirit Bomb even though his AD is more than enough, and he'll lose even after he comes from near death experience and gains Explosive growth that lets him one shot the opponent that gives him the damage to begin with? Goku can't do it. the difference is huge no matter the result.

 

[Fezzih_007]

see the scans i sent there (somehow its glitched and it looks like you're answering to it but you're not, i just placed it in the wrong place)

Nah, I did send the scans

Injured doesn't mean anything here, Immortality type 2 comes with resistance to Immense Pain.

Him resistance pain, don't mean he not gonna be injured.

Let me explain better, Goku gonna trow a Genki Dama at Saitama, Saitama endures, but he still gonna be very Injured by the attack since it One-shots people, Goku gonna eat a senzu bean, gains a 10x boost in power, and then beat Saitama due to him being injured. He can also just keep eating senzu until Saitama exhaust himself.I not mention him going SSJ1 afterwards because that's kinda easy

. And that's assuming that Saitama chooses to not stop him within 10 seconds,

Goku can totally endure 10 seconds of charging a spirit bomb, he does that in his own show all the time against opponet who are beating him. He can legit go hide, start charging one and reapears to trow in Saitama, since he not exactly need to be in front of Saitama to charge one attack.

weirdly can't overpower Spirit Bomb even though his AD is more than enough

Again, the Sprit bomb can one-shot people who are much stronger than Goku, he really not gonna overpower that quick with his AD, before getting significantly injured.

 

[Epiccheev]

what if saitama copies KKx100

Gets copyright banned

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He can also just keep eating senzu until Saitama exhaust himself.

Goku hasn't mastered SSJ by this point, so he's the one who will be dealing with a significant stamina drain in this fight, so ehhh

 

[Kachon123]

Goku can totally endure 10 seconds of charging a spirit bomb, he does that in his own show all the time against opponet who are beating him.

Saitama would've grown to be over 58x stronger than Goku by time though. How'd he survive getting oneshot over and over again?

 

[Catbowtie]

Y'all just wait until Saitama gets Tier 2-C in the latest editions.

 

[MrTayman616]

Let me explain better, Goku gonna trow a Genki Dama at Saitama, Saitama endures, but he still gonna be very Injured by the attack since it One-shots people, Goku gonna eat a senzu bean, gains a 10x boost in power, and then beat Saitama due to him being injured. He can also just keep eating senzu until Saitama exhaust himself.I not mention him going SSJ1 afterwards because that's kinda easy

Except you ignore Explosive Growth from this death experience(Spirit Bomb's not even doing it :d). There is simply no "he's injured time to finish him" moment here.

Saitama one shots after that. Explosive Growth is huge, the difference between a demon and a dragon level. Saitama literally shown to one shot the person who puts him in this situation instantly like it's nothing.

Again, the Sprit bomb can one-shot people who are much stronger than Goku, he really not gonna overpower that quick with his AD, before getting significantly injured.

Spirit Bomb isn't showing a higher lvl than Saitama's AD. saying "but it affects people stronger than Goku" even though the enemies aren't that much stronger doesn't help. You're saying It's mid battle as well, his power is already way above him

 

[Robo432343]

Saitama turns Kaiokenx100 into Kaiokenx1000000

 

[Fezzih_007]

Goku hasn't mastered SSJ by this point, so he's the one who will be dealing with a significant stamina drain in this fight, so ehhh

Senzu beans trought.

Saitama would've grown to be over 58x stronger than Goku by time though. How'd he survive getting oneshot over and over again?

He can like hide himself to charge the attack, and comeback to hit Saitama with the Genki Dama.

Except you ignore Explosive Growth from this death experience

I not really, I taking account that. He endure the attack and grow stronger, but still gonna be injured by the attack;

Saitama one shots after that.

He really don't, Goku would grow strong with his Zenkai boost too, so he would't get one-shot afterwards

saying "but it affects people stronger than Goku" even though the enemies aren't that much stronger doesn't help.

But they are stronger than him trought, every character he use a Genkidama as above him.

 

[Kachon123]

He can like hide himself to charge the attack, and comeback to hit Saitama with the Genki Dama.

Garou tried to hide from Saitama at a random spot on the moon that they were fighting on, but Saitama was able to find him instantly by darting around in all directions thanks to the speed boost AD gave him. Saitama can also completely ruin Goku's sense of direction with his superior LS, preventing him from escaping.

 

[MrTayman616]

He really don't, Goku would grow strong with his Zenkai boost too, so he would't get one-shot afterwards

that 10x growth is by no means comparable to Saitama's. especially in mid battle.

But they are stronger than him trought, every character he use a Genkidama as above him.

It doesn't mean it will defeat every single person above him. it has it's own power level, which is seemingly inferior to Saitama's AD.

I not really, I taking account that. He endure the attack and grow stronger, but still gonna be injured by the attack;

They literally ignore the injury, because their level grows to a point where it's no longer relevant