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After getting involved in a Yhwach thread, Ichibe's ability to remove and give names to others was brought up as being accepted as Conceptual Manipulation here. I find the justification for this to be kind of fishy, so when asking why its treated as such and getting feedback, this is what I was told:
"Ichibe manipulates the concept of things by changing their names. He "turned" Yhwach into an ant, giving him the strength and abilities of an ant despite that he didn't changed physically."
Can someone give me more clarification on this please? Because the way im seeing this, this isnt really conceptual manipulation but simply changing something about the target to effect them.
How does changing the name of something mean you are manipulating the concept of it? Going by the above example, things dont add up. Yhwach wasn't turned into a literal ant at all just because he was given the name "Ant" by Ichibe. His strength simply was made into the strength of an ant. What's stopping me from saying this isnt just extremely good stat reduction or power null (which this ability is also considered as)? That because Yhwach was branded with the name "Ant", his strength becomes that of an ant, therefore decreasing it?
Unless we're going to say that Yhwach himself is a concept, im not seeing how or why this abilitiy is on a conceptual level. Ichibe doesnt, and certainly has never, changed the concept of human beings as a whole just by changing the name of 1 individual. Or change the concept of X to just change Y. He simply changes the targets names and they are effected in accordance to it. Yhwach's name was changed to Ant and he became as powerless as one as a result. So i'd like more explanation of this please or else I request a downgrade.
"Ichibe manipulates the concept of things by changing their names. He "turned" Yhwach into an ant, giving him the strength and abilities of an ant despite that he didn't changed physically."
Can someone give me more clarification on this please? Because the way im seeing this, this isnt really conceptual manipulation but simply changing something about the target to effect them.
How does changing the name of something mean you are manipulating the concept of it? Going by the above example, things dont add up. Yhwach wasn't turned into a literal ant at all just because he was given the name "Ant" by Ichibe. His strength simply was made into the strength of an ant. What's stopping me from saying this isnt just extremely good stat reduction or power null (which this ability is also considered as)? That because Yhwach was branded with the name "Ant", his strength becomes that of an ant, therefore decreasing it?
Unless we're going to say that Yhwach himself is a concept, im not seeing how or why this abilitiy is on a conceptual level. Ichibe doesnt, and certainly has never, changed the concept of human beings as a whole just by changing the name of 1 individual. Or change the concept of X to just change Y. He simply changes the targets names and they are effected in accordance to it. Yhwach's name was changed to Ant and he became as powerless as one as a result. So i'd like more explanation of this please or else I request a downgrade.