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Conceptual absorption for Yhwach

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At the end of the Fake Karakura Town arc Aizen was a shinigami, hollow, and Fullbring (soul king fragment inside Hogyoku) hybrid.

EoS Aizen was a Shinigami as he wish that to the Hogyoku according to Ichigo but since Yhwach said Aizen is still fused with the Hogyoku and with no hollow traits shown again I guess that’s about it.
 
There is also this idea that Yhwach could absorb literal darkness from Ichibei which should be an indication of conceptual capabilities at the very least.
 
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I think this thread should be on hold till Cour 3 ends. Since we would have more Soul King contents then
 
It should be clear with anime yhwach asborbed the title of the husk not reio's name adoneyus itself.
 
This is a long thread so I'm going to ask are there any further scans provided beyond the two in the OP?
 
I don't see any extra scans surrounding the bump so for now, I'm just going off the OP.

Without greater evidence or their being some statements that Yhwach absorbed Reio's name, I do not support giving him conceptual manipulation. They specify Yhwach absorbing the power of the Soul King not his title and from how he's referred to after his defeat it appears Ichibe might've just given Yhwach the title of Reio after the fact.
 
Duedate8898 said:
I don't see any extra scans surrounding the bump so for now, I'm just going off the OP.

Without greater evidence or their being some statements that Yhwach absorbed Reio's name, I do not support giving him conceptual manipulation. They specify Yhwach absorbing the power of the Soul King not his title and from how he's referred to after his defeat it appears Ichibe might've just given Yhwach the title of Reio after the fact.
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He already has conceptual manipulation on his profile.
The OP isn't about conceptual manipulation, it's about absorption on fundamental level or Conceptual level, since after absorbing reio he was functioning as reio which requires to attain the title.
And no. Ichibei wasn’t there at all to name him.
 
Sorry, I did mean to say, I don't support giving him Conceptual Absorbtion. And I'm going to ask for some scans of it being stated that Yhwach took on Reio's name or something of that nature.

Right now the provided evidence does not prove that in order to balance the worlds as Yhwach did after absorbing Reio's power that he has to take on his name.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Sorry, I did mean to say, I don't support giving him Conceptual Absorbtion. And I'm going to ask for some scans of it being stated that Yhwach took on Reio's name or something of that nature.

Right now the provided evidence does not prove that in order to balance the worlds as Yhwach did after absorbing Reio's power that he has to take on his name.
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The OP is pretty simple and we have gine over these things throughout the thread. Yhwach's basic absorption is absorbing everything about someone including talents, which is innate to someone's identity. I did provide necessary scans for this. Someone needs to hold the title of reio to act as reio. Ichigo also had the power. But he can't act as reio unless named with such title as mentioned in the scan. Here jugram says yhwach's power allowed him to act as reio, meaning he gained the title.

I hope you would provide some explanation why he didn’t get the title, how he acted as reio without gaining the title when the evidences are against it.

Instead of just saying you don’t support it, you have to point out where it doesn’t make sense and provide plausible reasoning with context.
 
I asked where was the provided support, all that I've seen so far is the OP and I was also directed towards the bump to start this section of the thread which had no further evidence.

If you want me to support this thread, then I need to see more evidence provided than the OP as currently that's all I know about.

In short, I don't support the OP. And you've done nothign to make me think otherwise. Either point me towards the rest of your evidence or accept my disagreement.
 
Duedate8898 said:
I asked where was the provided support, all that I've seen so far is the OP and I was also directed towards the bump to start this section of the thread which had no further evidence.

If you want me to support this thread, then I need to see more evidence provided than the OP as currently that's all I know about.

In short, I don't support the OP. And you've done nothign to make me think otherwise. Either point me towards the rest of your evidence or accept my disagreement.
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The scan already clarifies someone just can't be soul king even if they are hybrid and posses the power. It is mandatory to hold the title to act as soul king. And it is coming from someone who was considered war threat due to his wisdom.
For that reason it is heavily implied yhwach absorbed soul king title. And jugram's statement completely clarifies he is the acting soul king now. Even with context, the cosmology would crumble is there was no soul king. So the evidences are pretty sufficient and straight forward.
But if you want to know how names are concept in bleach (which is already accepted here), that's a different issue and Idk where's that discussion thread.

Other than that, I can just add your disagreemant like that. Disagree : Mr X (not enough evidence).
 
Let me make it clear, you currently do not have from my perspective enough evidence that says that Yhwach took Reio's name. That is all.

Their being power in names means nothing to me for the discussion happening here because you have not provided enough information to say that all powers are based in names in Bleach.

The provided scan only outlines that the name of Reio has power in this specific instance.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Let me make it clear, you currently do not have from my perspective enough evidence that says that Yhwach took Reio's name. That is all.

Their being power in names means nothing to me for the discussion happening here because you have not provided enough information to say that all powers are based in names in Bleach.

The provided scan only outlines that the name of Reio has power in this specific instance.
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Then I have to say you did not understand the evidence at all. Ichibei governs name, war threat for wisdom. So his single statement still has weight.

He makes it very clear, ichigo who has everything to be an acting soul king still needs to be named as such to do so and why the name is important. Further clarifying, the title is important since it's what that allows somone to regulate soul flow, maintain cosmos etc etc which a soil king does.
Someone already addressed an issue like that he gained the title as a side effect of absorbjng the power which was answered and doesn’t change what OP suggests even if he gets it as by product.
I hope that answers you questions.

We have clear statements why the title is important, yhwach has feat of being a soul king. I think these evidence are more than enough. You don’t necessarily need bunch of scans which doesn’t directly state anything and somehow remotely connects dots. This is what we call quality over quantity.
 
Given what's already accepted, I think Absorption for Type 3 Concepts is probably fine.
 
Adam1396 said:
Thanks for your input.
I have got 3 admin votes including yours so far. Can it be applied?
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Well, I am not an admin, but I do have evaluation rights.

Since it's not unanimous, it's likely best to wait another day to see if anyone else objects.
If not, then probably.
 
I believe I understand what Adam is arguing. Adam is arguing that the moniker Soul King is what gives you the ability to regulate the flow and maintain the cosmic balance of this unnatural world.

We do know names in Bleach hold power as stated by Ichibei. And we do know the Soul King is something created to be the linchpin.

“Close. Very close. The thing they forced the name Soul King on indeed was not living. However, it was not dead either.”

Excerpt From
Bleach: Can’t Fear Your Own World, Vol. 3
Tite Kubo, Ryohgo Narita
This material may be protected by copyright.
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“onsumed the Reio’s body and is currently the linchpin of the world in the Reio’s place. Don’t you think that is so ironic? Eh, Kyoraku?”

Excerpt From
Bleach: Can’t Fear Your Own World, Vol. 3
Tite Kubo, Ryohgo Narita
This material may be protected by copyright.
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Ok since one staff agrees with type 2 concept while other 2 with type 3, does the CM absorption be like "type 3, possibly type 2?"
 
Johner2133451 said:
Ok since one staff agrees with type 2 concept while other 2 with type 3, does the CM absorption be like "type 3, possibly type 2?"
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No.

You should preferably seek more input or convince the one dissenter.
 
Johner2133451 said:
So just type 3 then?
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Well, Type 2 and Type 3 are different things.

So if one of the approvals is for Type 2 specifically, then you'd either need to convince them to change to Type 3 or get yet another person here to vote for Type 3, I believe.
 
FinePoint said:
Well, Type 2 and Type 3 are different things.

So if one of the approvals is for Type 2 specifically, then you'd either need to convince them to change to Type 3 or get yet another person here to vote for Type 3, I believe.
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Type 3 is lower than type 2 in value right? I think it's fine for now to apply type 3
 
Johner2133451 said:
Type 3 is lower than type 2 in value right? I think it's fine for now to apply type 3
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It might be, but there's still knowledgeable staff members who haven't weighed in yet, so we could probably very easily remove the doubt.

For example, I think @Damage3245 is knowledgeable on Bleach, if they'd be so kind as to evaluate this.
 
FinePoint said:
Given what's already accepted, I think Absorption for Type 3 Concepts is probably fine.
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I just noticed I didn’t mention in the OP why I think it's type 2 concept since my aim is to give him absorption on fundamental, it wasn’t required.

It's because reio the title itself is an universal idea and governs all reality, remival of which will cause realities destruction. So even if it is hold by a localized target/object however you say it, the title itself has influence over all realities.
 
This can be added.
Will add it like that
Absorption (fundamental, concept)
If needed can add type 3 as well.
 
Adam1396 said:
This can be added.
Will add it like that
Absorption (fundamental, concept)
If needed can add type 3 as well.
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Since it's been a while with no objection, it is probably fine to add it.
Let me know when you do so.
 
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