High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Well, Malebolge Vritra Promotion is described as being stronger than Vritra Promotion.
The scale shows that it is initially able to fight against Walburga Base who is stronger than Rossweisse who can hurt Grendel.

Later we see Malebolge Vritra Promotion hold a battle with Issei CxC.

On the other hand Vritra is described as comparable to Malebolge Vritra Promotion and Vritra being the Weakest Dragon King in terms of raw power is used as the baseline of the Dragon King Class, the same where we are told Grendel's power is located.

Therefore the thing would be like this:
Vritra Promotion would scale to half of Grendel's power.
Malebole Vritra Promotion would scale to Grendel's power.

As for Le Fay

Akeno had already spread open her Fallen Angel wings, and created thunder clouds above them in the sky.

Akeno in Fallen Angel Mode.

“I won’t hold back. After all, you’re a member of the Hakuryuukou’s team, and you’re also the current Zhu Bajie.”

Left with no other choice, Akeno shaped her lightning into the form of a dragon, and she began to attack with her Holy Lightning Dragon. —At that time, the magician Le Fay dashed across whilst stepping over magic circles that were created beneath her feet. She stood beside Zhu Bajie, and pointed her staff at Akeno.

“Then, allow me to be your opponent as well!”

“Ara ara, Le Fay-chan. —I’m not going to go easy on you, you know?”

Le Fay responded to Akeno with a smile.

“Of course!”

This is the part I was talking about.

Tell me if it helps.

 

[Dragongod224]

Well, Malebolge Vritra Promotion is described as being stronger than Vritra Promotion.
The scale shows that it is initially able to fight against Walburga Base who is stronger than Rossweisse who can hurt Grendel.

Later we see Malebolge Vritra Promotion hold a battle with Issei CxC.

On the other hand Vritra is described as comparable to Malebolge Vritra Promotion and Vritra being the Weakest Dragon King in terms of raw power is used as the baseline of the Dragon King Class, the same where we are told Grendel's power is located.

Therefore the thing would be like this:
Vritra Promotion would scale to half of Grendel's power.
Malebole Vritra Promotion would scale to Grendel's power.

As for Le Fay

Akeno in Fallen Angel Mode.

This is the part I was talking about.

Tell me if it helps.

Yeh vritra is more powerful

I think least moon level to small planetary

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

I have a question.

Kneeling down, Saji Genshirou was breathing heavily, and his armour was already in a dreadful state. Even if it became a battle of attrition, his stamina would also be exhausted first—. As for his opponent, Bedeze hadn’t even expended one percent of his total demonic energy, so he had plenty of headroom.

What does this mean?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I have a question.

What does this mean?

That even an average Maou-class is tremendously above Ultimate/Dragon King-class? Or, are you asking about a multiplier?

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Qliphoth Bacikal/Sandbox9

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Got Arc 3 (Vol 7-12) profile down.

I intentionally put this with a lot of empty stuff on the stats just cuz I wanna make sure I'm getting the things that's being in the process of finalization stats wise done so I can put them in.

As for certain stuff like why BxB pics are not on there, I kinda figure the Arc 1-2/BoS profile could cover that while still listing them on the PnA and stats portions. This way, stuff like Triana and CxC can have the spotlight for Arc 3, Arc 4 (14 to first half of 22) with True DxD or smth. And then the final arc, Arc 5 (Second half of 22 to present with Shin 4), can have AxA on there.

Speaking on the PnA, I also wanted to try out just having the tabs be a lot simpler by having all of Issei's stuff from base to his armored forms in one tab. This way, it wouldn't be so clunky and perhaps maybe easier to simply merge them into one tab instead of multiples but idk.

That said, I may stop here or go into Arc 4 and that's it so I can focus more on getting scans for their abilities so it's far from being what the ideal final ver will look like.

Edit: Actually looking at Naruto, GOku, Ichigo, maybe that's not so bad.

But it's still just Issei with more nd more stuff tacked on but separated by story arcs xD

 

[MasqueTLDF]

DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

Hey everyone, back with another CRT. (

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[MasqueTLDF]

Well, Malebolge Vritra Promotion is described as being stronger than Vritra Promotion.
The scale shows that it is initially able to fight against Walburga Base who is stronger than Rossweisse who can hurt Grendel.

Later we see Malebolge Vritra Promotion hold a battle with Issei CxC.

On the other hand Vritra is described as comparable to Malebolge Vritra Promotion and Vritra being the Weakest Dragon King in terms of raw power is used as the baseline of the Dragon King Class, the same where we are told Grendel's power is located.

Therefore the thing would be like this:
Vritra Promotion would scale to half of Grendel's power.
Malebole Vritra Promotion would scale to Grendel's power.

As for Le Fay

Akeno in Fallen Angel Mode.

This is the part I was talking about.

Tell me if it helps.

Lost notis again, Le Fay stuff definitely helps, thanks.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

[As for certain stuff like why BxB pics are not on there, I kinda figure the Arc 1-2/BoS profile could cover that while still listing them on the PnA and stats portions. This way, stuff like Triana and CxC can have the spotlight for Arc 3, Arc 4 (14 to first half of 22) with True DxD or smth. And then the final arc, Arc 5 (Second half of 22 to present with Shin 4), can have AxA on there.

I think we should still include the other forms in the images section, them being included doesn't take the spotlight from his other forms. I mean, look at DBS Goku, even his weaker forms have their own section. JD and BxB should definitely be included.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I think we should still include the other forms in the images section, them being included doesn't take the spotlight from his other forms. I mean, look at DBS Goku, even his weaker forms have their own section. JD and BxB should definitely be included.

Look at my edit:

I said it's not so bad to that.

Altough IDK about even adding Juggernaut Drive considering he never used that form again. I can at least add BxB to that stats, however.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Look at my edit:

I said it's not so bad to that.

Sorry, missed that.

Altough IDK about even adding Juggernaut Drive considering he never used that form again. I can at least add BxB to that stats, however.

Erm, but he could tho if he wanted to.

 

[Dragongod224]

Look at my edit:

I said it's not so bad to that.

Altough IDK about even adding Juggernaut Drive considering he never used that form again. I can at least add BxB to that stats, however.

But he still has access to Juggernaut drive
And Active when he in file with negative emotion
so I think Juggernaut drive add to

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Is the Infinity Blaster calc being added? @MasqueTLDF

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

But he still has access to Juggernaut drive
And Active when he in file with negative emotion
so I think Juggernaut drive add to

Can he? I’m pretty sure it got replaced by Cardinal Crimson Promotion. Issei got pissed off multiple times after that and Juggernaut was never mentioned to be a possibility iirc.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Is the Infinity Blaster calc being added? @MasqueTLDF

Apparently, it wasn't even evaluated yet, idk if the calc group members will ever check it tbh

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Can he? I’m pretty sure it got replaced by Cardinal Crimson Promotion. Issei got pissed off multiple times after that and Juggernaut was never mentioned to be a possibility iirc.

In Arc 3, before the memories in the BG were purified. (Before it was replaced) Like in Volume 10.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I have a question.

What does this mean?

Kneeling down, Saji Genshirou was breathing heavily, and his armour was already in a dreadful state. Even if it became a battle of attrition, his stamina would also be exhausted first—. As for his opponent, Bedeze hadn’t even expended one percent of his total demonic energy, so he had plenty of headroom.

Specifically referring to stamina, not strength. Can't be used as a multiplier.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I have a question.

What does this mean?

This sounds like stamina based to me. The sentence before the part in reference to Bedeze is referring to how the latter isn't tired even after not having used a fraction of their Demonic Power.

So it's saying that in terms of an endurance fight, Saji was tiring out way before his opponent would even get anywhere near it.

At least that's how I kinda see it there.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

It’s pretty much both. Bedeze doesn’t have to expend a fraction of his demonic energy because he was simply so strong that he could handle Saji without using his full power.

On the other hand, Saji has to go all out but he’s much weaker so he would waste his energy faster.

In Arc 3, before the memories in the BG were purified. (Before it was replaced) Like in Volume 10.

Well yeah, I mean after gaining CxC. The memories are no longer even there in his Boosted Gear.

Side note, I just imagined if Issei or Vali could pull upon the memories of the former wielders and use or learn the abilities they had. That would make them more overpowered.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Well yeah, I mean after gaining CxC. The memories are no longer even there in his Boosted Gear.

They were there in Volume 11 and 12

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

It’s pretty much both. Bedeze doesn’t have to expend a fraction of his demonic energy because he was simply so strong that he could handle Saji without using his full power.

On the other hand, Saji has to go all out but he’s much weaker so he would waste his energy faster.

Side note, I just imagined if Issei or Vali could pull upon the memories of the former wielders and use or learn the abilities they had. That would make them more overpowered.

Ah. That could work too.

Kek, that would have been sick to have if they did. They would legit be the strongest Dragon Emperors of their time lol.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

They were there in Volume 11 and 12

I mean that there was no indication of Juggernaut Drive being a thing after he unlocked True Queen. Probably because CxC was meant to be the answer for a Juggernaut Drive alternative. Now currently, the memories are no longer there so I doubt Juggernaut Drive is actually accessible.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I mean that there was no indication of Juggernaut Drive being a thing after he unlocked True Queen. Probably because CxC was meant to be the answer for a Juggernaut Drive alternative. Now currently, the memories are no longer there so I doubt Juggernaut Drive is actually accessible.

Then I agree. I don't think Issei could use JD anymore either.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I mean that there was no indication of Juggernaut Drive being a thing after he unlocked True Queen. Probably because CxC was meant to be the answer for a Juggernaut Drive alternative. Now currently, the memories are no longer there so I doubt Juggernaut Drive is actually accessible.

Then I agree. I don't think Issei could use JD anymore either.

Sounds about right here.

I did add BxB and JD to the Arc 3 profile, but made a note that Issei never used /uses Juggernaut again unless he's under extreme rage and/or coursed by it by his predecessors. But I also added a further note that since resolving the JD issue by unlocking True Queen/CxC Promo, he has no reason to ever fall into JD or some such.

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[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

In other news, I'm finally deciding to go up and add scans to various DxD profiles and pages.

Dragon Physiology (High School DxD)

Dragons are a major species present in the High School DxD series. Dragons make up one of two of the most powerful races in the world, the other being the Gods of Mythology. Together, their very world became marked with the "Draconic Deus" by the otherworldly race from another world called the...

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Starting off with Dragon Physiology as I thought this is easy enough to do.

They're only on Gyazo scanning but that was the best I can do both because I haven't done Imgur collection in a while (and also because I have heard and seen some Imgur scans getting nuked for some reason) and because I'm that lazy to do it so this is the best i can do for the time being xD

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

In other news, I'm finally deciding to go up and add scans to various DxD profiles and pages.

Dragon Physiology (High School DxD)

Dragons are a major species present in the High School DxD series. Dragons make up one of two of the most powerful races in the world, the other being the Gods of Mythology. Together, their very world became marked with the "Draconic Deus" by the otherworldly race from another world called the...

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Starting off with Dragon Physiology as I thought this is easy enough to do.

They're only on Gyazo scanning but that was the best I can do both because I haven't done Imgur collection in a while (and also because I have heard and seen some Imgur scans getting nuked for some reason) and because I'm that lazy to do it so this is the best i can do for the time being xD

Yeah, I wouldn’t bother with Imgur at this point. Always getting nuked for some reason, but eh, that’s why the reference cites are also nice to have

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Yeah, I wouldn’t bother with Imgur at this point. Always getting nuked for some reason, but eh, that’s why the reference cites are also nice to have

Pretty much. If they didn't have issues since the last time I used Imgur for other stuff, I'd actually have done that for DxD by now.

Oh well. Gyazo or whatever I could have also used is better than no scans on the pages.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

We can continue the discussion from the other thread here so that it doesn't get too bloated. FYI, Issei's scaling (except for the outrage key) is non reliant on classes or anything discussed in the other thread.
(Also, may be a bit inactive but I'll try to comment when I can. uwu nya)

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I take it the CRT's will be in at it for a while longer, huh?

Was planning on doing drafts for the chars sooner or later lol.

At least updated profiles of the existing ones so I can better prepare them when everything is all said and done.

Naturally ofc, there is Junior DxD that potentially brings in new stuff and...whenever Ishibumi actually gets well enough to continue Shin. But I think everything is getting closer and closer to finishing up no?

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

So what other CRT's are ongoing right now?

There's the Speed CRT and the DxD cast scaling one that I know of being ongoing.

I'm getting scans for Cao Cao's abilities and have already done so for Leonardo earlier. After him is Azazel, and I should be free to do some more that I didn't get to do (that being CC, Leo, and Azazel as part of the draft for abilities to be listed for the gang that I didn't get to do yet)

 

[MasqueTLDF]

So what other CRT's are ongoing right now?

There's the Speed CRT and the DxD cast scaling one that I know of being ongoing.

Thats all rn

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Phantom of Yubel just got semi limited on Master Duel, I'll be inactive tomorrow. (my depression arc begins)

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Thats all rn

Ah.

Well, I'll just continue on getting scans then for the relevant characs.

Azazel's now done and while I've yet to get the ones covered like for Issei's later abilities and the minor stuff the peeps have and need, that's pretty much.

I was thinking of doing a CRT this weekend later but I have a thought it'd be better to clear out whatever is needed to be done first which so far is the stats and scaling.

...or I can still do it in the middle of it but having 3 or even more CRTs of the same series might be overdoing it so I'll just wait on everyone to finish theirs off first. That and so it's easier for staff to not get swamped by multiple CRTs of same series.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Look at what I’m talking about @MasqueTLDF @TotalMasterInfinity

Kokabiel​

Multi Continent Level: (Implied that V3 Rias (RP and amped by 19 Boosts) would need around 3 Boosts to reach his level of strength.)

Azazel​

Base: Multi Continent Level (As a Fallen Angel Cadre, he should at least be comparable to Kokabiel)

Look at what the novel tells you.

Rossweisse-san fired off large bursts of offensive magic. Mirana-san created an extremely large spear of light (its power was almost on the same level as a Fallen Angel Cadre) to easily obliterate her spells.

How in the world are you going to have the main characters as Small Planet level and Cadres at Multi Continent level, when something almost on the level of a Cadre can easily overpower them?

All you literally have to do is follow the novel and scale the Cadres accordingly. This isn’t hard at all…

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Kokabiel is the only Cadre that is Multi Continent Level.

The rest are comparable to Armaros who rivals Rossweisse who scales Grendel.

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

All you literally have to do is follow the novel and scale the Cadres accordingly. This isn’t hard at all…

That's what we're doing, you're the only one causing problems with that out of simple disbelief.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Kokabiel is the only Cadre that is Multi Continent Level.

The rest are comparable to Armaros who rivals Rossweisse who scales Grendel.

The quote outright says Mirana’s attack is weaker than a Cadre, yet Kokabiel is conveniently much weaker than Mirana and the statement doesn’t apply to him? Damn.

Rossweisse-san fired off large bursts of offensive magic. Mirana-san created an extremely large spear of light (its power was almost on the same level as a Fallen Angel Cadre) to easily obliterate her spells.

How and why exactly is Kokabiel excluded from this? He has somehow turned into the weakest Cadre by orders of magnitudes because?

But anyway, I’m done getting involved with the revision. Have it your way, but we both know that information getting put on the profiles is wrong.

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

The information is correct and good luck.

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Well, Masque wants us to discuss things here.
I have something we can do but it will take me some time to prepare.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Well, Masque wants us to discuss things here.
I have something we can do but it will take me some time to prepare.

He said so, but I have no interest anymore. The scaling is just off.

Azazel can’t even be stronger than the original Maou, because he got overpowered by Katerea once she increased her power to the level of the original Leviathan. There’s many things wrong with the scaling values suggested imo.

But I’m tired of repeating myself, so let’s leave it at that. You guys are free to continue with the revision thread.

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

At no point is it said that Katerea Ophis's Snake is at the level of the original Leviathan and the scale and values are fine.

but I have already found the solution to all this, it is called training.