The Boost multipliers are now being used to override everything in the novel. To summarize, these are the things that override for the sake of Boost alone:
Only overridden when contradictions arise, we don't use false information here.
- Pawn values in the world tournament
- Wings correlating to strength for angels and fallen angels
Both of these are extremely insignificant and mostly inaccurate. I won't deny that they, in theory, should correlate to strength and sometimes do, however, most of the time, feats outweigh their intended purpose as others have pointed out.
- Characters being explicitly stated as Ultimate class being upgraded above a Maou because of the multipliers
Its not just because of the multipliers, and you're a little too stuck on the idea that because X is a higher class than Y, that Y has to be stronger when that's not the case. And idk who you're even referring to in this case.
- A character explicitly below a Cadre is now being scaled thousands of times above a Cadre
Cadres differ in strength, you can be above or below one without being above or below another. Like in DB, because Krillin is below a Saiyan (Goku), can he not be scales thousands of times (or more) above someone like Raditz?
- DX volumes are now somehow lower than the main volumes, even though Volume 8 and 13 are literally compilations of short stories.
Because of their nature of being comedic.
- Now I’m hearing that Slash Dog and Junior DxD are somehow below in precedence compared to DxD
Because they're both spin-offs and clearly only meant to be supplementary to the main story, and obviously Ishibumi's word is above Shinonome's.
I’m sure there are others, but I’m too tired to check. At this point, I think I’ll make my own thread and I’m not sure how Boost is going to be handled per se - because I don’t think it should take precedence over everything else.
Boost has been handled and it's accepted.
I don't agree with leaving DX, Slashdog and Junior aside unless there is a good reason for it.
Not leaving them aside, they're still being used, just if anything contradicts between them and the main story, the main story takes precedence. (Hypothetically, if Junior's next volume revealed that Issei's CxC is actually Middle Class or that he never actually owned the Boosted Gear. The Main Story which goes against that would be what's accepted rather than the statement from Junior.
Mind you, I truly do not care about Boost and whether it’s used for stats or not. All I’m saying is that we shouldn’t **** up everything else to accommodate the Boost multipliers.
Same could be said about the class system.
For now, let’s start with the claim that the rankings are based on “skill, leadership, or ability to gather servants, technique.”
Is there any examples where someone is ranked as a certain class because they have good leadership qualities, or because they can gather servants?
All will be shown in the CRT.
As I remember, every instance where someone is described as X-class is when they can fight someone on that level. I also provided a quote confirming that it’s based on ranking power levels above.
Contradictory information in the CRT.
Lest we forget, power is the single most important thing in the Underworld and supersedes bloodline. Like, no ranking is going to preclude power at all.
Any devil stronger than a pure blood of a certain rank will simply overtake them if they become more powerful. That’s it. Power level is the single most important thing.
That’s literally how the Old Maou bloodline were removed from the system.
Doesn't mean that everything else is discounted, the President is the most important man in the USA but does that mean that all of the citizens are worthless?
Neither does the inconsistent Boost then.
After Volume 21? Yes. Before that? No.
What scale? I’m genuinely not sure what you’re talking about.
You’re also basing it on Boost, which itself is not the most consistent thing in the world.
Love how everyone loves to call Boosts Inconsistent but can never actually prove that they are. I can only think of two (Dulio and Cao Cao Fights (maybe three, Baraqiel Fight)) examples where they could be even considered that, and even then I could still find reasons for them to not be inconsistent.
Unless we want to call Volume 8, 13 and 15 “secondary sources” too.
Those are all part of the main story, aside from them containing short stories, I don't see why we would.
I’m the only one complaining because I’m not swayed by the huge numbers you want from the Boost multipliers.
The big numbers won't hurt you brodie.
I almost want to use that pot and kettle analogy but I will refrain, because I don’t want us to get heated here. Aren’t you the one who advocates for politeness and not resorting to personal attacks? Bias is uncalled for. But anyway. I’m simply pointing out obvious flaws with this whole process. Let’s continue amicably.
Saying that someone or something is biased isn't even an insult though, at a subconscious level, we all have bias so I don't see the harm in pointing it out. I'd admit with heart that I have bias for DxD, but it doesn't mean that I'll let that dictate my decisions and I'm not implying that you, or anyone else does either. Imo, it's the same as saying "You have skin" or "You're a human", it's just a fact, not meant to be hurtful and I apologize if it came off that way,
Masque, look at the original thread where this entire argument originated from. Every single one of your new adjustments has been as a result of me pointing out several problems with the proposed scaling. You are now simply trying to change everything because of Boost alone.
Wdym by adjusments? If you mean the Azazel/Saji stuff, then nah, I just reread a few scenes and thought TMI had the right idea, if you mean the new discussion rule, uh yeah, that's kinda how all discussion rules start. And no, it's not just because of Boosts that I'm doing this, it's because the scaling would otherwise be inconsistent.
That’s the entire reason why you now want to adjust class rankings, Pawn values, wings, and even the canonicity of Junior and Slash Dog. No, the DX volumes are not of lower precedence. Ishibumi gives the timeline for every story and says they show what happens between volumes.
I'm not saying they aren't canon, their content just have a slightly smaller degree of validity. Like the Naruto Novels.
Volume 8, 13 and 15 are no different from a DX volume. They are the same short story compilations.
They are, Ishibumi made several statements (shown in the CRT) that he never made about any of those three Volumes.
You’ve literally just done this because I proved that Kuroka was High class in DX 2. That’s why you’re saying DX volumes are of lower precedence, which makes no sense at all.
Ngl, that's definitely part of it. But is wanting to clear out inconsistencies a bad thing? Plus, that particular statement will still be used anyway with what I'm proposing so again, Idk what you're so upset about. All I'm doing is setting some guidelines that we have to follow so that RandomUser#1062 doesn't claim that Mittelt is Chief God Class bases off of a scan from a book that no one's seen before.
Am I really the biased one? I’m not the one literally changing the rules of the world building and canon structure now because of a single dragon’s ability. Even
@TotalMasterInfinity seems to agree that this part is wrong.
It's not just "a single dragon's ability", it is THE main ability of THE Main Character, and it's used hundreds of times throughout the story and by other cast members as well. Underselling the importance of my arguments doesn't make yours stronger.
Edit: But damn, I have cert exams, lol. Might not respond for at least ~20 hours but I’ll be back to discuss further.
Hope you do well, hope these discussions don't make you think that I hate you or anything, we're cool.