High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

[MasqueTLDF]

So I am not sure how to word the Blazing Inferno stuff, so someone could update the following in the sandbox: Issei, Ddraig and the resistance would apply to Ophis, Great Red and Trihexa.

Albion and Vali too right?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Do we list enhanced PoD for current Rias since she can erase Sonneillon’s gravity waves (or whatever his ability is).

Albion and Vali too right?

I guess? The package suggested by @TotalMasterInfinity is that Albion and Vali should also have resistance to Resistance Negation since Ddraig cannot use Penetrate to ignore their resistance.

So I guess Dragon Gods, Trihexa, Vali, Albion. Actually, even Issei could get it for being a mini Great Red.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Ok, Death manipulation is already in the profiles, so we should remember to include EE when updating the pages.

Who would EE apply to, aside from the Dragon Gods and Trihexa? At least Issei since he’s a mini Dragon God.

So I am not sure how to word the Blazing Inferno stuff, so someone could update the following in the sandbox: Issei, Ddraig and the resistance would apply to Ophis, Great Red and Trihexa.

It should be noted that time manipulation for the Maou is not combat applicable in the profiles.

Believe we’re almost good to go.

If it also EE's you (idk still if you have to be dead for it or not?), we can include that too.

Ofc this being only those that actually resisted and all.

Yeah time manip for Maous is non combat applicable as the passage said they needed to use a "special method" to even perform it so it's not like they can even use in a somewhat similar manner to someone like Gasper so that's fine.

From that and I guess MAYBE any future upcoming calculations and feats/statements to scale chars here and there from, we should be good to go from there to make more CRT's.

Hopefully by then I can even make a CRT to show the revamped Verse page cuz that is indeed in need of spicing it up.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

From that and I guess MAYBE any future upcoming calculations and feats/statements to scale chars here and there from, we should be good to go from there to make more CRT's.

After this ability stuff, we can move straight to low tiers (Low-class and Middle-class). That would be based on the suggestions by @TotalMasterInfinity and the lifting strength feat from Koneko.

Not sure there’s any other calc stuff aside from the Infinity Blaster calcs but that’ll only be relevant when we get to the Heavenly Dragon tier revisions. It’s good to have a calc that supports the results from the multipliers.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

After this ability stuff, we can move straight to low tiers (Low-class and Middle-class). That would be based on the suggestions by @TotalMasterInfinity and the lifting strength feat from Koneko.

Not sure there’s any other calc stuff aside from the Infinity Blaster calcs but that’ll only be relevant when we get to the Heavenly Dragon tier revisions. It’s good to have a calc that supports the results from the multipliers.

Definitely.

Edit: Speaking of tiers, the verse page itself on the series power level is honestly just aids. All of it is just talking about hax stuff but never so much the power and even the speed of the characters all (never mind that there's really only some abilities/haxes that are potent but that's besides the point), which is the standard sort of thing you'd want to expect in seeing from all other verses on this wikia.

Granted there is the calc's stuff but that's just there to show people where they scale to. A basic summary of them on the power itself would have been good and THEN you can list any notable hax from there if you wanted.

Hell, even just scaling them flatly to their feats like the mountain busting and island busting stuff to anything up to planet as the series in the LN make them out would have been fine. But it's not on there so that's another I'll have to work on when we get to that point.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Edit: Speaking of tiers, the verse page itself on the series power level is honestly just aids. All of it is just talking about hax stuff but never so much the power and even the speed of the characters all (never mind that there's really only some abilities/haxes that are potent but that's besides the point), which is the standard sort of thing you'd want to expect in seeing from all other verses on this wikia.

Not sure it’s that important as I saw a thread contemplating whether the power level section should be scrapped from verse pages as a whole. Don’t know if there was a conclusion to that.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Not sure it’s that important as I saw a thread contemplating whether the power level section should be scrapped from verse pages as a whole. Don’t know if there was a conclusion to that.

Removing Power of the Verse from Verse pages

On second thought, wouldn't the easiest solution here be to simply disallow usage of subjective "this worse is very strong/weak", "this verse is somewhat strong/weak", et cetera statements within the "Power of the Verse" sections via an official instruction rule? The rest of the information...

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Seems based on here that the PotV is to be kept, but just modified to be not so "this verse is strong" sort of thing.

Basically it stays, just get rid of anything that isn't needed.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Qliphoth Bacikal/Sandbox7

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Anyways, the abilities stuff is coming along nicely.

I decided to trim a bit on the Telos Karma stuff but the wording on God-Class entities being able to resist probability and possibly causality might need some adjustment since the justification is based on TA TK > God-Class beings > based TK.

The lifting strength thing @MasqueTLDF brought up of Koneko, I can add that for scaling on one of the sandboxes as that will be useful for low-class Devils and similar beings to scale to.

The flames things being talked about before haven't been added but I could probably think of something to write about to add resistance for the relevant characters who can tank it or said to be not affected by it.

Regarding Dimensional Travel from earlier, yeah that should be a thing. Originally I listed that for stuff on Devil and Angel Physiology as teleportation but that should have been added to there now that I think about it. Although I'm thinking it also shouldn't be combat applicable unless there's something else for it as that's just used for the characters to travel between the Human World, Underworld, Christian Heaven, etc.

Once that's done, I'm guessing we can get a CRT for ability addition to be made?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Regarding Dimensional Travel from earlier, yeah that should be a thing. Originally I listed that for stuff on Devil and Angel Physiology as teleportation but that should have been added to there now that I think about it. Although I'm thinking it also shouldn't be combat applicable unless there's something else for it as that's just used for the characters to travel between the Human World, Underworld, Christian Heaven, etc.

Once that's done, I'm guessing we can get a CRT for ability addition to be made?

They can enter into other dimensions like Dimension Lost’s too. What’s not really combat applicable is the general teleportation, as most characters don’t use that in battle.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

One last thing I thought about before we conclude the ability revisions. Cao Cao is missing Truth Idea abilities.

Volume 12, Life 1

“The Truth Idea is deeply connected to the biblical God’s will. The will of the departed God absorbs the ambitions of the spear’s wielder to produce miraculous effects tailor-made for opponents… It’s supposed to offer overwhelming advantages or blessings to demoralize its foes… Yet its response to the Red Dragon Emperor was silence. It chose him as the victor of this contest. It prefers his dreams over mine. Had the spear chosen my dreams, it would have healed me or granted me immense strength…”

Based on this, Cao Cao's profile could look like this:

Truth Idea can produce miracles and effects such as:

• Reactive Evolution: The effects Truth Idea can create depends on the opponent and Cao Cao 's situation. It can create miraculous effects tailor made for opponents to defeat them.
• Healing / Regeneration: Truth Idea could have healed Cao Cao from Samael's poison curse which destroyed his eye and damaged his body.
• Statistics Amplification: Truth Idea can grant Cao Cao overwhelming strength and power to defeat his opponents.

Based on his feats in volume 21.

• Fear Manipulation: Truth Idea can release an immense radiance that caused the fake Sekiryuutei and Evil Dragons to instinctively cower in fear and retreat from battle.
• Mind Manipulation(?)/ Madness Manipulation(?)/Sleep Manipulation(?): Truth Idea caused damage to Apophis' psyche and would have robbed him of his consciousness, forcing the dragon to flee from the battlefield.

Suggestions or adjustments?

 

[MasqueTLDF]

One last thing I thought about before we conclude the ability revisions. Cao Cao is missing Truth Idea abilities.

Volume 12, Life 1

Based on this, Cao Cao's profile could look like this:

Truth Idea can produce miracles and effects such as:

• Reactive Evolution: The effects Truth Idea can create depends on the opponent and Cao Cao 's situation. It can create miraculous effects tailor made for opponents to defeat them.
• Healing / Regeneration: Truth Idea could have healed Cao Cao from Samael's poison curse which destroyed his eye and damaged his body.
• Statistics Amplification: Truth Idea can grant Cao Cao overwhelming strength and power to defeat his opponents.

Based on his feats in volume 21.

• Fear Manipulation: Truth Idea can release an immense radiance that caused the fake Sekiryuutei and Evil Dragons to instinctively cower in fear and retreat from battle.
• Mind Manipulation(?)/ Madness Manipulation(?)/Sleep Manipulation(?): Truth Idea caused damage to Apophis' psyche and would have robbed him of his consciousness, forcing the dragon to flee from the battlefield.

Suggestions or adjustments?

Everything looks good, one minor addition for Asia and Rias. Memory and Age Manip for Asia and Age Manip for Rias. They both used magic to temporarily erase their own memories and age themselves down. (V8, L3)

Everyone is looking at the children with weird expressions. The girl who looks like Asia is hiding behind me, and the girl who looks like Buchou is sitting on my lap. It seems like they have become attached to me.

“But, they sure do look like Buchou and Asia.”

Xenovia looks at the two little girls while tilting her head.

“More like, I think they are Buchou and Asia-san.”

Kiba says.

“Are you serious, Kiba? So these two are really Buchou and Asia after all?”

“Yeah.”

Kiba affirms clearly, and nods his head.

I did have a vague feeling they were. They are Buchou and Asia no matter how you look at them. But, why did they turn into little girls? I can’t help but think that they lost their memories as well. However, I don’t think they've completely lost their memories since they called me “Iche”…..

“……I think there was a technique that turns you into little girls.”

“You know how it’s said in legends that devils appear in the form of an old lady or small child? That is exactly true, and devils can change their appearance to their liking when they have reached a certain age. It’s normal for a middle-aged woman to have a younger appearance in the world of devils. In comparison, the majority of men tend to have the appearance of their true age.”

I see, I see. So you can make your appearance look how you desire depending on how you use your demonic powers.

Then, Buchou and Asia turned into little girls by using demonic powers…… and what were they trying to do?

“Though, even in those cases you don’t lose your memories…..”

Akeno-san put her hand on her forehead while having a troubled expression.

“This is the rebound of the technique.”

Azazel-sensei says while drinking tea.

“Rebound?”

Sensei nods at my question.

“Yeah, when someone with a high richness of demonic power uses a technique they are not familiar with, sometimes they make a big mistake with it. So, the techniques comes back at them.”

“Then Buchou failed at using the technique? It also seems like they lost their memories.”

“It seems like it. Because of the kickback of the technique, they also had their memories sealed along with temporarily turning into children. But for a devil such as Rias to make a mistake... She probably imagined something else strongly while activating the technique. Anyway, to revert them back to normal we either have to wait for a while or we need to have someone with the power of anti-spell.”

For Buchou to fail a technique……. Seriously, what happened?

The technique only backfired because they were thinking of smol Issei when performing the spell. Probably wouldn't be combat applicable.

“…..For quite some time, Asia and I were very interested about Ise when he was a child. And there was a spell which could turn a person into a child temporarily…….”

“You tried it, and the spell rebounded huh. Geez.”

Sensei made a sigh as if he was astonished. Buchou and Asia put on an apologetic expression.

Wait, so they were trying to make me into a kid huh. Ah, if I remember correctly both of them went crazy when they saw the old album with photos of me. So that’s why.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Everything looks good, one minor addition for Asia and Rias. Memory and Age Manip for Asia and Age Manip for Rias. They both used magic to temporarily erase their own memories and age themselves down. (V8, L3)


The technique only backfired because they were thinking of smol Issei when performing the spell. Probably wouldn't be combat applicable.

Okay by me.

Since I was checking out the volume 12 again, final things to suggest:

• Possible Healing / Regeneration Negation for Samael's poison? Cao Cao said Phoenix tears are useless against the curse. It'd technically also make sense if Samael can kill prime Ophis who showed the ability to regenerate a hole in her torso at least.
• Reactive Evolution for Leonardo, as his monsters create abilities to target weaknesses and are resistant to the abilities of whoever they are created for.
• Dragon Physiology for Jabberwocky, is a chimera (partially dragon).

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Qliphoth Bacikal/Sandbox7

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Alright, I added the remaining suggestions. All that's left is the Blazing Inferno suggestions and Resistance Negation stuff. And reminder, this would technically also affect Issei since he's a mini Great Red and he would get any resistance the Gods have (with True DxD at least).

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

They can enter into other dimensions like Dimension Lost’s too. What’s not really combat applicable is the general teleportation, as most characters don’t use that in battle.

OUGH.

One last thing I thought about before we conclude the ability revisions. Cao Cao is missing Truth Idea abilities.

Volume 12, Life 1

Based on this, Cao Cao's profile could look like this:

Truth Idea can produce miracles and effects such as:

• Reactive Evolution: The effects Truth Idea can create depends on the opponent and Cao Cao 's situation. It can create miraculous effects tailor made for opponents to defeat them.
• Healing / Regeneration: Truth Idea could have healed Cao Cao from Samael's poison curse which destroyed his eye and damaged his body.
• Statistics Amplification: Truth Idea can grant Cao Cao overwhelming strength and power to defeat his opponents.

Based on his feats in volume 21.

• Fear Manipulation: Truth Idea can release an immense radiance that caused the fake Sekiryuutei and Evil Dragons to instinctively cower in fear and retreat from battle.
• Mind Manipulation(?)/ Madness Manipulation(?)/Sleep Manipulation(?): Truth Idea caused damage to Apophis' psyche and would have robbed him of his consciousness, forcing the dragon to flee from the battlefield.

Suggestions or adjustments?

Kinda feels that way with plenty people.

Everything looks good, one minor addition for Asia and Rias. Memory and Age Manip for Asia and Age Manip for Rias. They both used magic to temporarily erase their own memories and age themselves down. (V8, L3)


The technique only backfired because they were thinking of smol Issei when performing the spell. Probably wouldn't be combat applicable.

It mentions that it's a thing Devils do, so guess we can apply to Devil Physiology also?

Though it wouldn't combat applicable either as it's just to keep themselves young looking or of the sort.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Kinda feels that way with plenty people.

Eh, we could always add more later if anyone comes up with something. For now, it should be fine to proceed.

It mentions that it's a thing Devils do, so guess we can apply to Devil Physiology also?

Yeah, I think it’s fine. All devils currently have shapeshifting in their profiles iirc.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Another Minor Addition for Vali that I'll add later, Memory Manipulation (Type 1 which would replace the empathic manipulation). The previous user of DD divided the negative emotion of the memories of the previous BG users.

[That’s right. We exist here only as residual memories. It’s about time for us to be free from this Sacred Gear.]

...Do you mean to die?

[We died long ago. What remains here are just some memories. Not even souls. Is this beyond common sense? And so, we plan on disappearing.]

B-But I still have many questions for Elsha-san and need more advice! Elsha-san shook her head at me. (Volume 9)

FLASH.

A shallow silver-white light spread through the white world. It started to take away the black aura belonging to the past Sekiryuuteis! The power of their hatred was also halved and vanished! The black-aura also got halved and got reduced. That was the power of Albion-senpai! The hatred, grudge, and feelings of resentment started reducing!

[I won’t let you! Hatred! Sadness! And hatred itself is the Sacred Gear of Sekiryuutei! Having the curse inside. Spreading the resentment to destroy is the way of the Heavenly-dragon….] (Volume 10)

Some for Issei too, Illusion Creation, Social Influencing, Summoning (of Rias), and Memory Manipulation, the jewels on his BG can absorb memories of whoever it touched and project them in the form of people. These same jewels were able to cause incidents across Kyoto of people touching others' breasts uncontrollably by contact with the jewel.

[Yes, no mistake about it. I can feel our pulse from it. No, wait... What is this?]

However, Ddraig’s voice suddenly became depressed.

[...I investigated a bit about this jewel... The contents of the box, your potential...it has been passed around Kyoto through all sorts of different people—b-by touching others’ breasts.]

...! Y-You, what are you saying...? I began to doubt my ears as I heard those incomprehensible words, but beside me, Sensei was laughing wryly as if he figured it out.

“Oh, so that’s why. The numerous molester incidents these past few days, they occurred due to your potential. This jewel has been using people as a medium to pass around Kyoto. Whether man or woman, as long as they come into contact with this jewel, they become obsessed with touching breasts.”

“R-really!? How can this be...? So the series of molester incidents in Kyoto were all due to my potential...?”

Because I am the Oppai Dragon, because I really love breasts, the potential contained in the box became related to breasts...? The first one was definitely Matsuda. He sat in front of me on the bullet train and wanted to grope Motohama’s chest. And since then, it had been passing between different people in Kyoto, and then finally landed here. Something like that. Let me first apologise to all the molesters and victims. Actually, all the molesters turned out to be victims in this case! (Volume 9)

“Oooaah! Matsuda! What are you doing!? This is mine! What is so fun about a male chest!?”

...Sitting in front of me, Matsuda and Motohama were wrestling with each other. Really! Who wants to get touchy-feely with idiots!? What the heck is going on!?

“Ha! What on earth am I doing...? This sudden urge for breasts...and then...”

“Matsuda, has your breast deficiency reached such a level...? OK, tonight, we will be holding an ecchi DVD festival in the hotel room! All the equipment is packed in the luggage!” (Volume 9)

Cao Cao noticed the light and turned to look! Amidst the light emitted by the jewel, something appeared. Those things gradually took on human form. One, two, they began to multiply. W-What is this...? Elsha answered my question.

[The jewel has been transferring among all sorts of humans in Kyoto, and these figures are formed from their residual memories.]

The figures of all the poor innocent men who became molesters due to me...? The number of figures multiplied, easily exceeding a thousand. What kind of molester surge did this jewel produce in Kyoto!? That’s far too many people I have to apologize to!

“Oppai...”

“O-Oppai.”

“Ah, oppai.”

“Lots of oppai.”

“Many, many oppai...”

...The lingering memories began to repeat oppai over and over again. Hey, hey, hey! When did this become a hentai exhibition!?

“ “ “Oppai! Oppai! Oppai! Oppai!” ” ”

As the huge number of figures all chanted ‘Oppai!’ in a low voice, they slowly and casually shuffled their footsteps, entering some kind of formation.

“ “ “ “Oppai, oppai, oppai, oppai, oppai, oppai, oppai, oppai, oppai, oppai, oppai, oppai, oppai, oppai.” ” ”

“This is going too far!”

I couldn’t help but exclaim at this strange spectacle. The lingering memories repeated the word ‘oppai’ as they looked like they were about to perform some kind of ceremony.

“...Oppai zombies?”

Cao Cao spoke softly. That’s right! They looked just like zombies! Did people who got their chest fondled by the people who had become molesters due to the jewel get infected and turn into zombies? The clones from lingering memories, after arranging themselves in a circle, the oppai zombies melted into the ground. Next, light moved about within the circle to carve out symbols in the centre, forming a massive magic circle. The oppai zombies turned into a magic circle! This series of shocking events had left me completely puzzled, but Elsha-san said to me. (Volume 9)

The magic circle gave off a bright light, the word ‘oppai’ was spelt out in the magical script, and within the magic circle were even the characters for breasts! Summon? Could it really mean for me to summon that image in my mind...? Something appeared in the centre of the magic circle. With a flash of light, what appeared inside the magic circle was—the crimson-haired Buchou! Bu-Buchooooooooooooooooooooou!? Was she in the middle of changing clothes? She was wearing only underwear. Noticing the change in scenery, onee-sama lifted her head to look around and got a big shock! Of course!

“W-What is going on!? Honmaru Palace...? K-Kyoto? A-Ara, isn’t this Ise? Why are you here and why was I brought here? S-Summoned!? Eh? Eh?” (Volume 9)

Let me know your thoughts and I'll add these to the sandbox if you guys agree.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

That seems like empathic manipulation to me, since he’s halving their negative emotions. The memories are still mentioned to be there later on, as Vali said he dominated them.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

That seems like empathic manipulation to me, since he’s halving their negative emotions.

Halving the negative emotions of the memories, type 1 memory manip involves empathic manip.

The memories are still mentioned to be there later on, as Vali said he dominated them.

These are two different instances tho? Vali obtaining EJOD and the previous DD user helping Issei get CxC were two separate things. Do you agree with the Issei additions tho?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Halving the negative emotions of the memories, type 1 memory manip involves empathic manip.

Not sure. It says

• Empathic manipulation: Affecting memory through emotions. Usually very limited and allows user to erase or distort existing memories only.

Divide didn’t affect the memories of the past wielders through emotions as the page says. It only halved their aura and negative emotions. It really just seems like semantics, anyway.

These are two different instances tho? Vali obtaining EJOD and the previous DD user helping Issei get CxC were two separate things. Do you agree with the Issei additions tho?

Yeah, I was saying Divide didn’t halve the existing memories themselves, just their emotions.

As for Issei, we can just note it’s not a conscious ability or something, so it doesn’t cause confusion.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Changes made.
Wondering if we should mention castling though, revival through Evil Pieces is mentioned.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

So, all that’s needed is the Blazing Inferno stuff to be added and it should be fine to make the thread.

Any other abilities that come up, we can add them into the tier revisions threads.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

So, all that’s needed is the Blazing Inferno stuff to be added and it should be fine to make the thread.

I've been trying to find the 7-Colored Rainbow thing and got no luck, even when TMI put it under "DX 7" that time in my CRT last time.

At least with the actual Blazing Inferno flames stuff, you can find that in Vol 21 Last DxD but I can't find the rainbow bit to scale the stuff to the Blaze Flames.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I've been trying to find the 7-Colored Rainbow thing and got no luck, even when TMI put it under "DX 7" that time in my CRT last time.

At least with the actual Blazing Inferno flames stuff, you can find that in Vol 21 Last DxD but I can't find the rainbow bit to scale the stuff to the Blaze Flames.

Extra Life DX 7
CTRL F "blazing inf" and you'll find it

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Ah, found it.

Ironic, it was the last chapter of DX7 that I didn't search on lol.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

So, all that’s needed is the Blazing Inferno stuff to be added and it should be fine to make the thread.

Any other abilities that come up, we can add them into the tier revisions threads.

I'll try to cover any major fights in the Boost Blog and finish it up today, haven't read some of the later volumes in a bit but I'll skim through them. If i miss anything or make any mistakes, please let me know.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

2. I remember @TotalMasterInfinity suggested Blazing Inferno regeneration negation and some other things, but I don’t think it should have those because Issei mentions that the special flame ended up with different properties.

Actually, is it still be considered to be scaling to it? Ddraig's Blazing Inferno to the Phenex's 7-colored flame thing.

Just want to make sure before I add it to the abilities draft. I don't be coming onto here a lot until I see like a dozen comments posted everytime I get off and back on.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Actually, is it still be considered to be scaling to it? Ddraig's Blazing Inferno to the Phenex's 7-colored flame thing.

Just want to make sure before I add it to the abilities draft. I don't be coming onto here a lot until I see like a dozen comments posted everytime I get off and back on.

Leaning towards no myself, since Issei mentions it seems to have ended up with different properties, but I think that’s what others agreed on? Listing it as Possibly or something.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Okay, so Boost blog is technically like the last part of the suggested revisions, right? Along with the cosmology thread. That’s because they’re likely to be the most controversial topics.

I’ll suggest this order:

• Ability revisions (what’s right up next)
• Low-tier scaling (Low-class and Middle-class) for AP and lifting strength
• Mid-tier scaling (High-class and Ultimate-class) for AP. This would be based on BxB Issei being upgraded to at least Island level and the multipliers.
• Higher tiers (Maou-class up to Heavenly Dragon class). At this point, we could use the Infinity Blaster calc to back up the proposed ratings.

Most of the scaling has already been done by @TotalMasterInfinity in previous pages, so we don’t have to spend much time figuring it out.

• Cosmology thread, which may also affect the God Tiers.
• Boosted Gear thread, probably the most controversial and saving it for last would allow Masque to finish up his blog.

That’s about six revision threads or so, however suggestions are welcome.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

• Boosted Gear thread, probably the most controversial and saving it for last would allow Masque to finish up his blog.

That’s about six revision threads or so, however suggestions are welcome.

I'm practically finished now, though I believe the Boosted Gear blog should come before any other scaling threads as they exclude information (Boosts) that could grant a wildly different result. I appreciate TMI's work but I think it should be a back up plan rather than the main event. (Even more so considering the rules on making CRTs of recently discussed topics and I'll be a bit busy with work related things pretty soon.) I'll probably post the Boost thread in tandem with the ability thread unless anyone has any meaningful reasoning as to why I shouldn't.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Leaning towards no myself, since Issei mentions it seems to have ended up with different properties, but I think that’s what others agreed on? Listing it as Possibly or something.

If I had to guess, it's probably terffying for Issei in the manner that both types of flames can deal significant damage to the target in their own way.

Ddraig's Blazing Inferno works by instantly incinerating people, and those it doesn't will just have the flames keep on persisting until they do turn to ashes.

The Rainbow-colored flames Riser, Ruval, etc. made seems to make it where those it hit aren't able to heal from it even with magic. And I presume this even works for "God-Class Magic" but that's just my HC for it.

I would lean to no, but if it's still scalable, then only a possibly at best since Riser mentions him and Ruval having to study and research Ddraig's flames, but I assume this in the manner of going off how hot and/or potent they are?

IDK. We'll see, especially when bringing it up to the rest in the upcoming CRT.

Edit: Looking at it, I might just be a no there. From what Issei and Riser talked, the 7-Colored flames merely used Ddraig's blazing flames technique as the basis of their move but they just didn't know what its actual effects will be like until after they used it on Vidar. That means while they DID research and study the flames, the resulting effects are different (Ddraig's being able to keep on burning until nothing remains, Phenex's joint created flames being able to make wounds on even Gods not able to heal up). But then again, if it's even scalable that way, I can only go for a possibly or see it go possibly at best.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Thoughts? It's practically finished. Just let me know when you're ready for the thread releases.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Qliphoth Bacikal/Sandbox7

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Well, I finally put the Phenex Joint created flames technique and Ddraig's tech on there for the abilities it should have.

Although for Ddraig, IDK how else to really put it IF his technique scales to 7CFlames so I just put it whatever.

The jewels on his Boosted Gear can cause people to become perverts and unknowingly lose control of their bodies and gain an uncontrollable urge to touch breasts.

I swear, Ishibumi would be in some much hot water if he wrote this in the late 2010's or 2020's.

Is it any wonder again why people shit on Issei in their fanfics xD This is yet another reason why cuz holy **** does this make anyone a straight up molester xD

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

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Well, I finally put the Phenex Joint created flames technique and Ddraig's tech on there for the abilities it should have.

Although for Ddraig, IDK how else to really put it IF his technique scales to 7CFlames so I just put it whatever.



I swear, Ishibumi would be in some much hot water if he wrote this in the late 2010's or 2020's.

Is it any wonder again why people shit on Issei in their fanfics xD This is yet another reason why cuz holy **** does this make anyone a straight up molester xD

Don’t think it should scale tbh but thread will decide.

Hmm, I mean worse stuff is in the market but yeah, cancel culture is much more pronounced now. Issei’s always going to be controversial but I don’t think he molests or at least I don’t remember that.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I'm practically finished now, though I believe the Boosted Gear blog should come before any other scaling threads as they exclude information (Boosts) that could grant a wildly different result. I appreciate TMI's work but I think it should be a back up plan rather than the main event. (Even more so considering the rules on making CRTs of recently discussed topics and I'll be a bit busy with work related things pretty soon.) I'll probably post the Boost thread in tandem with the ability thread unless anyone has any meaningful reasoning as to why I shouldn't.

I would rather the opposite, but eh, let’s see what others think.

But shouldn’t the Dimensional Gap and cosmology stuff be different from the Boost thread? They’re entirely different things with different implications for the scaling.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

But shouldn’t the Dimensional Gap and cosmology stuff be different from the Boost thread? They’re entirely different things with different implications for the scaling.

That's the idea.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

That's the idea.

Then why does the multiplier blog have your proposed ratings for Great Red? They’re not related.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Is there any easy to match characters for Highschool dxd?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Okay, so Boost blog is technically like the last part of the suggested revisions, right? Along with the cosmology thread. That’s because they’re likely to be the most controversial topics.

I’ll suggest this order:

• Ability revisions (what’s right up next)
• Low-tier scaling (Low-class and Middle-class) for AP and lifting strength
• Mid-tier scaling (High-class and Ultimate-class) for AP. This would be based on BxB Issei being upgraded to at least Island level and the multipliers.
• Higher tiers (Maou-class up to Heavenly Dragon class). At this point, we could use the Infinity Blaster calc to back up the proposed ratings.

Most of the scaling has already been done by @TotalMasterInfinity in previous pages, so we don’t have to spend much time figuring it out.

• Cosmology thread, which may also affect the God Tiers.
• Boosted Gear thread, probably the most controversial and saving it for last would allow Masque to finish up his blog.

That’s about six revision threads or so, however suggestions are welcome.

@Qliphoth_Bacikal @TotalMasterInfinity @Vietthai96

Let us know what you think about this order, or should the Boost be done first. I would rather we take things from the bottom up, personally.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Then why does the multiplier blog have your proposed ratings for Great Red? They’re not related.

At one point, I considered updating the god tiers with Issei but I realized that it'd be better to do the other characters separately. At first, AxA was included to dismiss the Planetary Issei comments but I could do that in the thread if it was necessary. I removed Great Red's rating and the AxA related comments hours ago.

@Qliphoth_Bacikal @TotalMasterInfinity @Vietthai96

Let us know what you think about this order, or should the Boost be done first. I would rather we take things from the bottom up, personally.

I personally think we should to Boosts and Ability revisions at the same time (FRA) in different threads (I'll cover the latter), and if the Boosts are rejected, we use TMi's scaling in a different thread. Then we can make a thread replacing the old cosmology blog with the new one and updating the verse page. Just my opinion.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Is there any easy to match characters for Highschool dxd?

Not sure, especially given the upcoming changes.