High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: High Class Part 2

8# High Class High Tier
Diodora Astaroth Serpent of Ophis is 10 to 100 times his base.
that is at least 49 Gigatons, Island Level, at most 490 Gigatons, Large Island Level
Issei Balance Breaker Complete is comparable to Diodora Snake of Ophis,

9# Those that easily surpass the previous ones
Issei Balance Breaker Complete Maximum Power is 4 times his standard power, at least 196 Gigatons, Island Level, at most 1.96 Teratons, Small Country Level
Cao Cao Base is comparable to Issei Balance Breaker Maximum Power
Sairaorg Sealed Bael is more or less equal to Issei Balance Breaker Maximum Power
Heracles Base is able to hurt Sairaorg

10# Those who surpass the previous ones, at least >196 Gigatons, Island Level, at most >1.96 Teratons, Small Country Level
Sairaorg Full Power surpasses his sealed self and therefore Issei BxB Maximum Power, but in volume 10 Sairaorg FullPower and Issei BxB Maximum Power have an even fight, that only means that between volume 9 and 10 Issei increased his powers with the awakening of Illegal Move Triaina and the increase in the duration of her BxB,
Rossweise Beginning of the Series is able to damage Sairaorg Full Power
Liban Crocell is capable of fighting Rossweise Beginning of the Series
Heracles Balance Breaker is superior to Rossweise Beginning of the Series

11#
Sairaorg with a Concentrated Touki attack, One-Shot to Rossweise Beginning of the Series, >784 Gigatons, Island Level +, at most >7.84 Teratons, Country Level

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I don’t mean it as a canon term per se. I’m saying it doesn’t make sense for something that cannot function on its own to be ranked as a Longinus. As in, it means Telos Karma on its own can’t function independently and is basically worthless unless someone cooperative conveniently happens to have Innovate Clear and they work together. As I said, it requires logical hoops.

Considering that most Sacred Gears have a restriction or weakness of some kind, given Telos Karma is the forbidden thirteenth Longinus, and is regarded as one of the strongest, it'd make sense to me if it had a worse restriction.

Shadow Prison is unique to Vritra and his case is made more unique since he was split into different parts. Not at all similar with the example here. I also don’t remember where it was said to require the other Sacred Gear, would have been pretty useless for the other owner that gave it to Saji.

Which is why there were given to Saji, Blaze Black Flare allows the user to create the fire, and Shadow Prison allows the user to manipulate the fire.

Don’t think we’ve ever seen or heard of anyone born with more than one Sacred Gear. Even so, Augusta can’t use two Sacred Gears at once after stealing Lavinia’s body, without risking her life. Mitsuya also isn’t technically housing both Sacred Gears, but harnessing their abilities with his terminals. No matter the case, using two Longinus at once was a risk to Augusta’s life force, hence why she only used one at a time.

Doesn't mean it's impossible and we've literally seen multiple users of two Sacred Gears before. But like I said before, the timeline/possibilities thing of Telos Karma is true.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Also, I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on this, I know the formatting is pretty bad but I'm talking about the information. Are there any glaring flaws? And if I missed anything, could you let me know? I provided good enough evidence to justify a lack of feats around a certain level and to show every instance of Boosting to show they are consistent, it's still a WIP obviously but with everyone's help, this can turn into something amazing.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Considering that most Sacred Gears have a restriction or weakness of some kind, given Telos Karma is the forbidden thirteenth Longinus, and is regarded as one of the strongest, it'd make sense to me if it had a worse restriction.

Still doesn't make sense. That's way more than a restriction and virtually makes the Sacred Gear invalid. Considering that Edens Dual wasn't ranked as a Longinus only because Shusei was missing, it literally would make no sense for Telos Karma to be a Longinus if it could only work with another Longinus.

Can you picture how rare it would be for a Telos Karma user to conveniently be allies with an Innovate Clear user, for them to be in the exact same era and location? It's so unthinkable that it really doesn't make much sense. Telos Karma wouldn't be rated at all, it's virtually useless.

Which is why there were given to Saji, Blaze Black Flare allows the user to create the fire, and Shadow Prison allows the user to manipulate the fire.

I don't remember that Shadow Prison doesn't function without Blaze Black Flare and anyway, they were given to Saji because of the peace alliance, not because one can't function without the other.

Pretty sure Sacred Gears don't work like this.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Also, I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on this, I know the formatting is pretty bad but I'm talking about the information. Are there any glaring flaws? And if I missed anything, could you let me know? I provided good enough evidence to justify a lack of feats around a certain level and to show every instance of Boosting to show they are consistent, it's still a WIP obviously but with everyone's help, this can turn into something amazing.

I'm remaining neutral on this... so I don't even know. This one is something that might even end up more controversial than the cosmology, depending... In fact, I would say it's better to finish it and then go on the VBW Discord to ask around and also ask neutral staff there to touch the waters and get a general feeling as to how neutral users see that.

I'd say we should also focus the BxB Issei new calc, Infinity Blaster calc, and the other alternative ratings @TotalMasterInfinity suggested, so we have other things to discuss in case the Boost multipliers don't pass.

Spoiler: Middle Class Part 2

We start with the Mass Produced Evil Dragons that possess a series of feats:

1)Destroy Buildings

2)Burn Buildings to Ashes

3)Destroy Warships

4)Destroy Fighter Planes

If we go to the Real World page we will see the durability of modern fighter planes

Wall level: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

Small Building level: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

In Real World we also find warships, for this I will assume fragmentation,

Baltimore-class Heavy Cruiser: 236 Tons (Multi-City Block level)



Cleveland-class Light Cruiser: 227 Tons (Multi-City Block level)



Fletcher-class Destroyer: 45,17 Tons (City Block level)



Iowa-class Battleship: 1,195 Kilotons (Small Town level)



Ohio-class Submarine: 380 Tons (Multi-City Block level)



Here is the calculation to turn a building into ashes, is 850.38 Tons of TNT, Multi-City Block level+

The buildings they destroy are described as tall, if we assume they are skyscrapers, we have this calculation.

it is 10.4785 kilotons, Town level

Regardless of what value is assigned to Mass Produced Evil Dragons, there are a number of characters that scale to them and are.



Nilrem Wizards are declared Middle Class just like Mass Produced Evil Dragons



Wizards of Hexennacht who should be comparable to Wizards of Nilrem



Gasper Vladi Start of the Series who is able to subdue the Wizards of Nilrem



Yuuto Kiba Base of the Heroic Oppai Dragon Arc should be comparable to the Middle Class Devil



Post-Underworld Training Gasper Vladi is superior to his previous self as his power grows passively.



Misteeta Sabnock can damage Gasper Post-Underworld Training even when weakened



Low Class Grimm Reapers are stronger than Middle Class Devils



Issei Base Post-Samael is able to defeat the Wizards of Hexennacht



Tomoe Meguri Post-Demonic Beast Riot is able to easily defeat Mass Produced Evil Dragons



Ruruku Nimura Post-Demonic Beast Riot is able to easily defeat Mass Produced Evil Dragons



Tsubaki Shinra Post-Demonic Beast Riot is able to easily defeat Mass Produced Evil Dragons



Tsubasa Yura Post-Demonic Beast Riot is able to easily defeat Mass Produced Evil Dragons



Momo Hanaki Post-Demonic Beast Riot should be comparable Ruruku Post-Demonic Beast Riot



Reya Kusaka Post-Demonic Beast Riot should be comparable Ruruku Post-Demonic Beast Riot,

You know, I used to wonder about these middle class Evil Dragon feats. I guess it's nice to have.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Still doesn't make sense. That's way more than a restriction and virtually makes the Sacred Gear invalid. Considering that Edens Dual wasn't ranked as a Longinus only because Shusei was missing, it literally would make no sense for Telos Karma to be a Longinus if it could only work with another Longinus.

Can you picture how rare it would be for a Telos Karma user to conveniently be allies with an Innovate Clear user, for them to be in the exact same era and location? It's so unthinkable that it really doesn't make much sense. Telos Karma wouldn't be rated at all, it's virtually useless.

Issei's literally allied with almost every other longinus user in the series tho

I don't remember that Shadow Prison doesn't function without Blaze Black Flare and anyway, they were given to Saji because of the peace alliance, not because one can't function without the other.

Pretty sure Sacred Gears don't work like this.

Shadow Prison had only shown the ability to manipulate Blaze Black Flare's fire, it's never been shown working without it. Even if it's not stated, it's implied.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I'm remaining neutral on this... so I don't even know. This one is something that might even end up more controversial than the cosmology, depending... In fact, I would say it's better to finish it and then go on the VBW Discord to ask around and also ask neutral staff there to touch the waters and get a general feeling as to how neutral users see that.

Do you have a link to the discord?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Should we start making thread marks or something? We've suggested so many abilities and resistances and now with the new suggestions from @TotalMasterInfinity, it might be hard to keep track.

Also, I don't what the VBW Discord is. Maybe ask in the Questions and Answers section.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Also, I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on this, I know the formatting is pretty bad but I'm talking about the information. Are there any glaring flaws? And if I missed anything, could you let me know? I provided good enough evidence to justify a lack of feats around a certain level and to show every instance of Boosting to show they are consistent, it's still a WIP obviously but with everyone's help, this can turn into something amazing.

I wanted to say it looked good but when I saw the 2^18 multiplier I changed my mind. I don't know if it will be accepted but it is unlikely, especially since the use of multipliers lands the verse at High 4-C without there being any supporting feats.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I wanted to say it looked good but when I saw the 2^18 multiplier I changed my mind. I don't know if it will be accepted but it is unlikely, especially since the use of multipliers lands the verse at High 4-C without there being any supporting feats.

Narratively, it wouldn't make sense for there to be feats on that levels, everyone's trying to hide their existence from Humans. And there are at least 4-A creation feats from characters that despite being a good deal stronger, are in the same class as this High 4-C character. And Juggernaut Drive was only seen once from Issei anyway, why would he have many DC feats? And what's wrong with BxB's multiplier?

 

[GarrixianXD]

VSBW doesn’t have an official discord, to those who’s wondering.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Narratively, it wouldn't make sense for there to be feats on that levels, everyone's trying to hide their existence from Humans. And there are at least 4-A creation feats from characters that despite being a good deal stronger, are in the same class as this High 4-C character. And Juggernaut Drive was only seen once from Issei anyway, why would he have many DC feats? And what's wrong with BxB's multiplier?

The problem with multipliers is that the numbers are huge. Moreover, it will be the staff that you will have to convince, not me. I'm just neutral about it.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Narratively, it wouldn't make sense for there to be feats on that levels, everyone's trying to hide their existence from Humans. And there are at least 4-A creation feats from characters that despite being a good deal stronger, are in the same class as this High 4-C character. And Juggernaut Drive was only seen once from Issei anyway, why would he have many DC feats? And what's wrong with BxB's multiplier?

For the 4-A creation feats I think @Vietthai96 had a problem with it.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

For the 4-A creation feats I think @Vietthai96 had a problem with it.

God's creation of heaven was contested?

 

[Digital_Franz]

God's creation of heaven was contested?

Idk. The stars issue was for ?

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Idk. The stars issue was for ?

Rating Game fields.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Rating Game fields.

OK.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Here’s the cosmology sandbox if others want to review:

MasqueTLDF/Sandbox High School DxD Cosmology

vsbattles.fandom.com

The other mythological dimensions like the Norse World have a Sun during the day (and so stars), albeit we don’t know who created them, so eh. It’s more so evidence that the other realms are tier 4 sized at the very least.

High 3-A for Earth is supposed to be revised, I think, according to an admin.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

You know what, in addition, let us make different sandboxes to cover everything we’ve suggested so far:

• A sandbox for ability and resistance additions we’ve discussed in previous pages and the layers @TotalMasterInfinity
• A sandbox for Middle-class revisions suggested by @TotalMasterInfinity
• A sandbox for the Heavenly Dragon revisions, pending the evaluation of the Infinity Blaster calc.

We can make different sandboxes as we go on, but this will make it easier for us to compile relevant stuff

As it is now, we will have to check back previous pages to remember the abilities that have been suggested, which is something of a hassle.

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: Ultimate Class Part 1

1# Illegal Move Triaina Scale
Issei Illegal Move Triaina is minimum 5, maximum 6 times the standard power of his Balance Breaker,
minimum: at least >245 Gigatons, Large Island Level, at most >2.45 Teratons, Small Country Level
maximum: at least >294 Gigatons, Large Island Level, at most >2.94 Teratons, Small Country Level
therefore it should be At least >245 Gigatons, Island Level, at most >2.45 Teratons, Small Country Level

Issei Illegal Move Triaina Maximum Power is 4 times his standard power, At least 980 Gigatons, Large Island level+; At most >9.8 Teratons, Country Level

2# at least Ultimate Class, At least >245 Gigatons, Island Level, at most >2.45 Teratons, Small Country Level
In Volume 11, Issei BxB's power is described as High Class High Tier, which means that at that point he is already close to the limit of High Class. Therefore Illegal Move Triaina's power is at least Ultimate Class
And the characters that scale to that are those that are comparable to Ultimate Class Devil:
Bandersnatch, Ruval Fenex, Vali Lucifer Base, Issei Base Maximum Power Shin DxD, Akeno Base Shin DxD, Rias Base Shin DxD, Sona Base Shin DxD, Seekvaria Base Shin DxD, Kushia Abadon Shin DxD, Rudiger Rosenkreutzer, Sairaorg Base Post-DxD, Heracles Base Post-DxD

3# Cardinal Crimson Scale
Issei Cardinal Crimson is superior to Triaina's maximum power, At least 980 Gigatons, Large Island level+; At most >9.8 Teratons, Country Level


Issei Cardinal Crimson Triaina is 5 or 6 times his standard power,
minimum: At least >4,9 Teratons, Small Country level+; At most 53,5 Teratons, Country level+
maximum: at least >5,88 Teratons, Small Country level +; At most >>58,8 Teratons, Country level+

Issei Cardinal Crimson Maximun Power is 4 times his Triaina, At least >19,6 Teratons, Country level; At most >>196 Teratons, Large Country level

4# At least 980 Gigatons, Large Island level+; At most >9.8 Teratons, Country Level
Niðhöggr is comparable to Issei CxC
Rias Crimson Extinct Dragonar comparable to Niðhöggr

5# At least >4,9 Teratons, Small Country level+; At most 53,5 Teratons, Country level+
Sairaorg Bael Balance Breaker equaled Issei CxC Triaina
Apophis Human Form can fight Issei Cardinal Crimson Triaina
Grendel fought Issei CxC Triaina and Sairaorg BxB simultaneously
Ladon although inferior comparable to Grendel
Akeno Raikouryuu is able to erase Grendel's fireball.
Yuuto Kiba Gram is able to cut a fireball from Grendel
Rossweisse Post-Demonic Beast Roit is able to harm Grendel despite his resistance to magic.
Azazel Base is capable of damaging Grendel,
Kokabiel, although inferior, is comparable to Azazel Base
Issei Balance Breaker Incomplete Dragonified scales Kokabiel
Issei Nyu Power scales Kokabiel
Benemune is comparable to Kokabie
Tamiel is comparable to Kokabiel
Sahariel is comparable to Kokabiel
Katarea Leviathan Base, although inferior, is capable of fighting Azazel Base
Creuserey Asmodeus Base is compared to Katarea Base
Shalba Beelzebub Base is compared to Katarea Base
Shemhazai is comparable to Azazel Base
Fragments of Beuba Rekorugu are capable of damaging Azazel Base,
Shirayuki is able to intercept the attacks of the Beuba Rekorugu Fragments.
Kurobara is able to intercept the attacks of the Beuba Rekorugu Fragments.
Vali Lucifer Balance Breaker capable of sending Azazel Base flying with a punch
Masaomi Yaegaki Yamata no Orochi pushed Rossweisse Post-Demonic Beast Roit back as his defense magic couldn't handle its power.
Irina Hauteclere able to defeat Masaomi Yaegaki Yamata no Orochi
Kiyotora Shinra is capable of facing Irina Hauteclare

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Should we start making thread marks or something? We've suggested so many abilities and resistances and now with the new suggestions from @TotalMasterInfinity, it might be hard to keep track.

I can do sandboxes for them if it hasn't already been done yet rn, plus a link to show where they came from and all that.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I wanted to say it looked good but when I saw the 2^18 multiplier I changed my mind. I don't know if it will be accepted but it is unlikely, especially since the use of multipliers lands the verse at High 4-C without there being any supporting feats.

The problem with multipliers is that the numbers are huge. Moreover, it will be the staff that you will have to convince, not me. I'm just neutral about it.

Very much this.

There would have be calc'd feats that can support if not justify the multipliers.

Even if there are and the boosts don't even reach to Tier 4 but the upper ends of Tier 5, it's up to the staff to consider Boosted Gear's multiplier shit.

It's also the one I would have preferred being tackled instead of the cosmology stuff that's been talked to death even on this thread, but look where we are now with that...

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: Ultimate Class Part 2

6# Polar Night Longinus Chakravartin
Cao Cao Balance Breaker is at least 100 times its base.
at least 19.6 Teratons, Country Level, at most 196 Teratons, Large Country Level

7# Dragon King Class
Walburga Base, it was mentioned that his spells were more powerful than Rossweisse's Post-Demonic Beast Roit
At least >>4,9 Teratons, Small Country level+; At most >53,5 Teratons, Country level+
those that escalate are:
Gasper Vladi Balance Breaker is capable of fighting Walburga Base
Genshirou Saji Balance Breaker fought against Walburga Base
Ouryuu Nakiri Base is able to fight Gasper BxB
Vritra is comparable to Genshirou Balance Breaker
Gavaldan is at least Dragon King Class
Kurenai Himejima scales Gavaldan
Zen Quarta scales Gavaldan

8# those that surpass the previous ones, At least >>>4,9 Teratons, Small Country level+; At most >>53,5 Teratons, Country level+
Rossweisse Shin DxD is stronger than before
Akeno Fallen Angel Mode Shin DxD scales to Rossweisse Shin DxD
Zhu Bajie is capable of facing Akeno Fallen Angel Mode Shin DxD
Brynhildr scales Rossweisse Shin DxD
Mirana Shatarova erased Rossweisse Shin DxD's offensive spells with ease
Elmenhilde Blood of the Dragon God is comparable to Mirana Shatarova
Yu Long is stronger than Vitra
Gogmagog is comparable to Yu Long
Fafnir Base is comparable to Yu Long
Ouryuu Dragon Man is superior to his base
Lint Sellzen Base is comparable Ouryuu Dragon Man
Sha Wujing is comparable to Lint Sellzen Base
Kuroka Toujou is comparable to Sha Wujing
Shirone Toujou Mode Shirone is able to defeat Kuroka Toujou,
Ravel Fenex Shin DxD is capable of fighting Shirone Toujou Shirone Mode

9# Orochi
Yamata no Orochi should have twice the power of half of his soul in Masaomi's hands, At least >9,8 Teratons, Country level; At most 107 Teratons, Large Country level
Walburga Balance Breaker has the power of half of Yamata no Orochi added to hers so she also scales

10# At least >19,6 Teratons, Country level; At most >>196 Teratons, Large Country level
Vasco Strada Old is able to effortlessly stop Issei Cardinal Crimson Triaina's attacks, cut off Genshirou Balance Breaker's flames, corner Gasper Balance Breaker
Xenovia Durandal + Excalibur is capable of fighting Vasco Old
Nero Raimondi capable of facing Xenovia Durandal + Excalibur
Dulio Gesualdo Base froze Issei Cardinal Crimson Maximum Power in a one-sided battle
Ewald Cristaldi is stronger than Dulio Base

11#
Daiyoukai
Ibaraki Douji along with Ura deflected an attack from Rossweisse Shin DxD, both of them escalating to half of that.
At least >>>2.45 Teratons, Small Country level; At most >>26.75 Teratons, Country level
who climbed to that are they
Yasaka should be stronger than Ibaraki Douji
Genshirou Saji Vritra Promotion is capable of fighting Yasaka

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Even if there are and the boosts don't even reach to Tier 4 but the upper ends of Tier 5, it's up to the staff to consider Boosted Gear's multiplier shit.

It's also the one I would have preferred being tackled instead of the cosmology stuff that's been talked to death even on this thread, but look where we are now with that...

I think I mentioned this before, but Boost multipliers were reaching solar system level even back in the old days on anime vice. Now, there's obviously more volumes and so there's more Boosts, so I would be surprised if the multipliers didn't reach multi solar system or galaxy level.

And the thing is, this stuff is consistent. It doesn't stop anywhere as long as the series continues, so now imagine if we get spinoffs with future Issei. You can legit stack Boosts until he reaches tier 3 based on multipliers alone.

No typical calc is going to back it up, except maybe the God stuff mentioned and maybe also whatever happens with the cosmology, so it's all or nothing. On one hand, Boosted Gear, Twice Critical, and Divide are consistently said or shown to double and halve. On another hand, it gives ridiculously high results and stacking multipliers like that from a tier 6 feat to reach tier 4 and beyond is something I'd imagine raises eyebrows.

I don't think it even warrants more discussion than the cosmology because there's no middle end here. We either go with it or we don't. It's very touchy, which is why I'm staying neutral and suggested other routes of scaling that we can use like what @TotalMasterInfinity is posting and his Infinity, Blaster calc, in case the multipliers aren't accepted.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I can do sandboxes for them if it hasn't already been done yet rn, plus a link to show where they came from and all that.

Yeah, that's appreciated. We can all edit in our suggestions and confirm them before making a CRT.

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: Special Attacks

1#Cross Crisis
This attack destroyed Walburga's BxB.
At least >39.2 Teratons, Country level; At most 428 Teratons, Large Country level

2#Dragon Blaster
Only one of the cannons left Sairaorg Full Power covered in injury and it is implied that the entire hit would have been a miss, basically overwhelming him or One-Shot.
at least 1 Teratons, Small Coutry Level, at most >7.84 Teratons, Country Level

Dragon Blaster Maximum Power would be 4 times that
at least 4 Teratons, Small Coutry Level+, at most >31.35 Teratons, Country Level
This would make Dragon Blaster about 4 times Triania

3#Crimson Blaster
Applying the same Dragon Blaster factor we obtain:
Crimson Blaster Standard: At least >19.6 Teratons, Country level; At most >>196 Teratons, Large Country level
Crimson Blaster Maximum Power: At least >78.4 Teratons, Country level+; At most >>784 Teratons, Continent level

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: Satan Class

1# Old Satan
Katarea Leviathan Serpent of Ophis is at least 10, at most 100 times greater than its base.
At least 53.15 Teratons, Country level+; At most 5.35 Petatons, Continent level
those who escalate would be.
Creuserey Asmodeus Ophis Serpent is comparable to Katarea Ophis Serpent
Shalba Beelzebub Ophis Serpent is comparable to Katarea Ophis Serpent
Beelzebub is comparable to Shalba Serpent of Ophis
Leviathan is comparable to Beelzebub
Asmodeus Original is comparable to Beelzebud
Ryugun Belphegor King's Piece is comparable to Demon King Class beings.
Bedeze Abadon King's Piece is comparable to Demon King Class beings
Issei Cardinal Crimson Shin DxD comparable to Demon King Class beings
Ingvild Leviathan is comparable to Demon King Class beings
Lucifer is superior to Beelzebub.

2# New Satan, At least >53.15 Teratons, Country level+; At most >5.35 Petatons, Continent level
Diehauser Belial is superior to Bedeze King's Piece
Euclid Lucifuge Balance Breaker is comparable to Grayfia
Issei Dividing Wyvern Fairy is superior to Euclid Lucifuge Balance Breaker
Grayfia Lucifuge is superior to the Original Satans
Serafall Leviathan is comparable to Grayfia Lucifuge
Falbium Asmodeus is comparable to Serafall Leviathan
Miguel is comparable to Serafall
Tannin is comparable to Serafall
Gabriel is comparable to Miguel
Rafael is comparable to Miguel
Uriel is comparable to Miguel
Jabberwocky is able to confront Grayfia
Surtur Segundo could burn the Jabberwocky
Okita Souji could cut when cutting the Jabberwocky
Beowulf, although inferior, is capable of making Sirzechs Base bleed.
Enku should be comparable to his teammate
MacGregor Mathers should be comparable to Okita Souji
Sirzechs Lucifer Base is stronger than Serafall Leviathan
Ajuka Beelzebub Base equals Sirzechs Lucifer
Tiamat as the strongest Dragon King should be superior to Tannin,

3# Those that greatly exceed 1#; At least 212.6 Teratons, Large Country level; At most 21.4 Petatons, Multi-Continent level
Azazel Balance Breaker One-Shot Ophis Serpent Katarea
Ophis's Serpent Katarea's Self-Destruct had done serious damage to Azazel Balance Breaker
Ruma Idra is superior to Azazel Balance Breaker
Pluto is superior to Azazel Balance Breaker
Sairaorg Bael Breakdown the Beast is massively superior to Bedeze King's Piece
Issei Juggernatu Drive Incomplete is massively superior to Shalba Serpent of Ophis

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: Above Satan Class/Non-Combatant God Class

1#
Issei Juggernatu Drive Incomplete Maximum Power should be 4 times his base, At least 850.4 Teratons, Continent level; At most 85.6 Petatons, Multi-Continent level
Vali Lucifer Empireo Juggernaut Overdrive One-Shot to Pluto, so scale too

2#
Issei Cardinal Crimson Triaina Shin DxD is 5 or 6 times his standard power
minimum: At least 265.75 Teratons, Large Country level; At most 26.75 Petatons, Multi-Continent level
maximum: At least 318.9 Teratons, Large Country level; At most 32.1 Petatons, Multi-Continent level
those who escalate would be
Sonnelion could even face Issei Cardinal Crimson Triaina Shin DxD
Gressil scales Sonnelion
Cao Cao Balance Breaker Shin DxD scales to Sonnelion
Rias Forbidden Invade Balor the Princess is comparable to Gressil
Yuuto Kiba Gram Shin DxD is able to hurt Gressil
Post-Subjugation Fenrir is stronger than Rias Forbidden Invade Balor the Princess
Sairaorg Balance Breaker Shin DxD is comparable to Issei Cardinal Crimson Triaina Shin DxD's attack power
Heracles Abyss Side is comparable to Sairaorg Balance Breaker ShinDxD,
Vali Balance Breaker Shin DxD is comparable to Issei Cardinal Crimson Triaina Shin DxD

3#
Issei Cardinal Crimson Maximum Power Shin DxD is 4 times his Triaina, At least 1,063 Petatons, Continent level; At most 107 Petatons, Multi-Continent level
the one that scales is.
Genshirou Saji Balance Breaker Shin DxD is capable of facing Issei Cardinal Crimson Maximum Power Shin DxD

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: Issei BxB and Illegal Move Triaina Shin DxD

There are 2 ways to do this, top down or bottom up

1) from bottom to top
Issei BxB exceeds his maximum base power: At least >> 245 Gigatons, Large Island Level, at most >> 2.45 Teratons, Small Country Level
Issei BxB Maximum Power is 4 times his standard power: At least 1 Teratons, Small Country Level, at most >>9.8 Teratons, Country Level
Issei Triaina is 5 or 6 times his standard power
minimum:At least >>1.225 Teratons, Small Country Level, at most >>12.25 Teratons, Country Level
maximum: At least >>1.47 Teratons, Small Country Level, at most >>14.7 Teratons, Country Level
Issei Triania Maximum Power is 4 times normal Triaina: >>4.9 Teratons, Small Country Level+, at most 53.15 Teratons, Country Level+

2) from top to bottom
Issei Triania Maximum Power is somewhat lower than CxC: At least 53.15 Teratons, Country level+; At most 5.35 Petatons, Continent level
Issei Triaina is 4 times lower than his maximum power: At least 13.2875 Teratons, Country level; At most 1.3375 Petatons, Continent level
Isse BxB is 5 or 6 lower than his Triaina
maximum: At least 2.6575 Teratons, Small Country level; At most 265.5 Teratons, Large Country level
minimum: At least 2.2 Teratons, Small Country level; At most 222.9 Teratons, Large Country level
Issei BxB Maximum Power is 4 times his standard power, At least 8.8 Teratons, Country level; At most 891.6 Teratons, Continent level

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: God Class Part 1

1# At least 3.4 Petatons, Continent level+; At most 342.4 Petatons, Multi-Continent level
those that escalate are:
Vasco Strada Prime completely outperformed Vali Empireo Juggernaut Overdrive
Xenovia Crimson Destruction Dragonar is capable of taking on Vasco Strada Prime
Rias Crimson Extinct Dragonar Shin DxD is comparable Xenovia Crimson Destruction Dragonar
Nero Balance Breaker is comparable to Xenovia Crimson Destruction Dragonar
Verrine is superior to Xenovia Crimson Destruction Dragonar

2# At least 10.2 Petatons, Multi-Continent level; At most 1 Exaton, Multi-Continent level
those that escalate are:
Xenovia Crimson Destruction Dragonar Maximum Power is 3 times its standard power
Rias Crimson Extinct Dragonar Maximum Power Shin DxD is 3 times her standard power

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: Special Attacks Shin DxD/God Class Part 2

1# Dragon Blaster Shin DxD
1) from bottom to top
Standard: 4 Teratons, Small Country Level +, 53.15 Teratons, Country Level +
Maximum Power: At least 14.7 Teratons, Country Level, at most 159.45 Teratons, Large Country Level
2) from top to bottom
Standard: At least 39.84 Teratons, Country level; At most 4 Petatons, Continent level
Maximum Power: At least 159.45 Teratons, Large Country level; At most 16.05 Petatons, Continent level

2#Crimson Blaster Shin DxD
Standard: 797.25 Teratons, Continent level; At most 80.25 Petatons, Multi-Continent level
Maximum Power: 4,252 Petatons, Continent level +; At most 425 Petatons, Multi-Continent level

3# those who Escalate to Crimson Blaster Maximum power are:
Dulio Gesualdo Balance Breaker is comparable to Crimson Blaster Maximum Power
Issei Partial-Deified Dragon is comparable to Dulio Gesualdo Balance Breaker
Thanatos is superior to Partial-Deified Dragon
Loki as a god should be comparable to Thanatos,
Gasper Balor as a Transcendental Being should be comparable to Loki
Sairaorg Breakdown The Beast Shin DxD is superior to Crimson Blaster Maximum Power
Cao Cao Abyss Side can compete with Sairaorg Breakdown The Beast Post DxD
Shooting Star is capable of facing Sairaorg Breakdown The Beast Shin DxD

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: Longinus Smasher

1# Longinus Smasher CxC
One-Shot to Euclid BxB, At least 212.6 Teratons, Large Country level; At most 21.4 Petatons, Multi-Continent level

that makes him between 10 to 100 times Issei CxC's Maximum Power

2# Longinus Smasher Juggernaut Drive
Applying the factors from the above we have
At least 8,504 Petatons, Multi-Continent level; At most 8,560 Exatons, Multi-Continent level

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: Chief God Class

These guys are the gods at the top, so I think it's logical to assume that they are massively superior to gods like Loki.
At least 17 Petatons, Multi-Continent level; At most 1.7 Exatons, Multi-Continent level
those who escalate would be
Odin, Zeus, Poseidon, Apollon, Vidar Base Rezzwo Roado

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I think I mentioned this before, but Boost multipliers were reaching solar system level even back in the old days on anime vice. Now, there's obviously more volumes and so there's more Boosts, so I would be surprised if the multipliers didn't reach multi solar system or galaxy level.

And the thing is, this stuff is consistent. It doesn't stop anywhere as long as the series continues, so now imagine if we get spinoffs with future Issei. You can legit stack Boosts until he reaches tier 3 based on multipliers alone.

No typical calc is going to back it up, except maybe the God stuff mentioned and maybe also whatever happens with the cosmology, so it's all or nothing. On one hand, Boosted Gear, Twice Critical, and Divide are consistently said or shown to double and halve. On another hand, it gives ridiculously high results and stacking multipliers like that from a tier 6 feat to reach tier 4 and beyond is something I'd imagine raises eyebrows.

I don't think it even warrants more discussion than the cosmology because there's no middle end here. We either go with it or we don't. It's very touchy, which is why I'm staying neutral and suggested other routes of scaling that we can use like what @TotalMasterInfinity is posting and his Infinity, Blaster calc, in case the multipliers aren't accepted.

I just think they don't they appreciate OPPAI power enough to accept that Issei could stomp DBZ Goku owo

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Spoiler: Heavenly Dragon Class

1#
This is a declaration based option.
It is said that beings of the level of Fafnir Outrage Mode are capable of Devastating the World several times with Brute Force alone.
If we take this literally and assume that by a world he means the surface of the earth, we can derive the value from this calculation.
es 646.57085 Petatons, Multi-Continent level

Being able to do it several times would give it a x3.
then Fafnir Outrage Mode would be 1.94 Exatones, Multi-Continent level
consistent with the Heavenly Dragon Class surpassing the Chief God, based on Fenrir surpassing Odin and Typhoon being stronger than Apollon

those who scalate would be
Fenrir Full Power
Rizevim Livan Lucifer able to take on Fafnir Outrage Mode
Issei DxD who is superior to Rizevim
Typhoon which is comparable to Fenrir
Divine Boots lives can kill Fenrir
Metal Fenrir is comparable to Fenrir
Loki UL Fenrir is superior to Fenrir
Azazel Counter Balance is comparable to Loki UL Fenrir


2#
Issei DxD Maximum Power will be 3 times his standard power, 5.82 Exatons, Multi-Continent level

3#
Infinity Blaster would be at least 3 times the maximum power, 17.46 Exatons, Multi-Continent level+

the ones that escalate to Infinity Blaster would be
Apophis True Form is able to collide with the Infinity Blaster,
Azi Dahaka is comparable to Apophis True Form
Vali Diabolos Dragon can fight Azi Dahaka
Vidar Ragnarok Aesir Berserk is superior to Apophis True Form
Issei Pseudo DxDe Post-Amrita is comparable to Vidar Ragnarok Aesir Berserk
And Ddraig Goch is superior to Issei Pseudo Dragon Deified Post-Amrita
Albion Gwiber is comparable to Ddraig

4#
Issei Pseudo Pseudo-DxD Post-Amrita Maximum Power is 3 times his standard power, 52.38 Exatons, Moon level

Those who escalate would be
And Ddraig Goch Maximum Power should be 3 times his standard power
Crom Cruach is superior to Ddraig Maximum Power
Angra Mainyu can compete with Issei Pseudo Dragon Deified Post-Amrita Maximum Power,
Erebus is comparable to Issei Pseudo Dragon Deified Post-Amrita Maximum Power
Nix is comparable to Issei Pseudo Dragon Deified Post-Amrita Maximum Power
Tartarus is a difficult opponent for Issei to defeat Pseudo Dragon Deified Post-Amrita Maximum Power

5#
Infinity Blaster Post-Amrita should be 3 times his maximum power, 157.14 Exatons, Moon level

those who escalate would be
Indra can match Infinity Blaster Post-Amrita
Mahabali can fight Indra
Baalberith can defeat Mahabali

6#
Infinity Longinus Smasher would be at least 10 or 100 times maximum power, 58.2 Exatons, Moon level; At most 582 Exatones, Small Plantet level

7#
Satan Lucifer Smasher should have the same amplification factors, At least 174.6 Exatons, Moon level; At most 1,746 Zettatones, Small Plantet level

Those who escalate to that would be
Hades can tank Satan Lucifer Smasher although he took some damage

8#
Infinity Longinus Smasher Post-Amrita, At least 523.8 Exatons, Small Plantet level, Moon level; At most 5,238 Zettatones, Small Plantet level
9#
Issei AxA Limited can fire the power of multiple Infinity Blaster, 471.42 Exatons, Small Planet level

and I finished

 

[Digital_Franz]

Spoiler: Heavenly Dragon Class

1#
This is a declaration based option.
It is said that beings of the level of Fafnir Outrage Mode are capable of Devastating the World several times with Brute Force alone.
If we take this literally and assume that by a world he means the surface of the earth, we can derive the value from this calculation.
es 646.57085 Petatons, Multi-Continent level

Being able to do it several times would give it a x3.
then Fafnir Outrage Mode would be 1.94 Exatones, Multi-Continent level
consistent with the Heavenly Dragon Class surpassing the Chief God, based on Fenrir surpassing Odin and Typhoon being stronger than Apollon

those who scalate would be
Fenrir Full Power
Rizevim Livan Lucifer able to take on Fafnir Outrage Mode
Issei DxD who is superior to Rizevim
Typhoon which is comparable to Fenrir
Divine Boots lives can kill Fenrir
Metal Fenrir is comparable to Fenrir
Loki UL Fenrir is superior to Fenrir
Azazel Counter Balance is comparable to Loki UL Fenrir


2#
Issei DxD Maximum Power will be 3 times his standard power, 5.82 Exatons, Multi-Continent level

3#
Infinity Blaster would be at least 3 times the maximum power, 17.46 Exatons, Multi-Continent level+

the ones that escalate to Infinity Blaster would be
Apophis True Form is able to collide with the Infinity Blaster,
Azi Dahaka is comparable to Apophis True Form
Vali Diabolos Dragon can fight Azi Dahaka
Vidar Ragnarok Aesir Berserk is superior to Apophis True Form
Issei Pseudo DxDe Post-Amrita is comparable to Vidar Ragnarok Aesir Berserk
And Ddraig Goch is superior to Issei Pseudo Dragon Deified Post-Amrita
Albion Gwiber is comparable to Ddraig

4#
Issei Pseudo Pseudo-DxD Post-Amrita Maximum Power is 3 times his standard power, 52.38 Exatons, Moon level

Those who escalate would be
And Ddraig Goch Maximum Power should be 3 times his standard power
Crom Cruach is superior to Ddraig Maximum Power
Angra Mainyu can compete with Issei Pseudo Dragon Deified Post-Amrita Maximum Power,
Erebus is comparable to Issei Pseudo Dragon Deified Post-Amrita Maximum Power
Nix is comparable to Issei Pseudo Dragon Deified Post-Amrita Maximum Power
Tartarus is a difficult opponent for Issei to defeat Pseudo Dragon Deified Post-Amrita Maximum Power

5#
Infinity Blaster Post-Amrita should be 3 times his maximum power, 157.14 Exatons, Moon level

those who escalate would be
Indra can match Infinity Blaster Post-Amrita
Mahabali can fight Indra
Baalberith can defeat Mahabali

6#
Infinity Longinus Smasher would be at least 10 or 100 times maximum power, 58.2 Exatons, Moon level; At most 582 Exatones, Small Plantet level

7#
Satan Lucifer Smasher should have the same amplification factors, At least 174.6 Exatons, Moon level; At most 1,746 Zettatones, Small Plantet level

Those who escalate to that would be
Hades can tank Satan Lucifer Smasher although he took some damage

8#
Infinity Longinus Smasher Post-Amrita, At least 523.8 Exatons, Small Plantet level, Moon level; At most 5,238 Zettatones, Small Plantet level
9#
Issei AxA Limited can fire the power of multiple Infinity Blaster, 471.42 Exatons, Small Planet level

and I finished

Perfect. Good work.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Alright to everyone, I got one sandbox down.

So far it's just one but only cuz somewhat burnout today from doing IRL stuff but also cuz I'm just putting in references (or as much as I could for easier sakes of looking into them directly).

The plan I had is splitting them into a few:

One for Multipliers and Low~High Class entities. Another for Ultimate to Maou/Transcendent Entities. And finally a third one purely for the resistances and stuff TotalInfinity brought up in my physiology creation page CRT.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Alright to everyone, I got one sandbox down.

So far it's just one but only cuz somewhat burnout today from doing IRL stuff but also cuz I'm just putting in references (or as much as I could for easier sakes of looking into them directly).

The plan I had is splitting them into a few:

One for Multipliers and Low~High Class entities. Another for Ultimate to Maou/Transcendent Entities. And finally a third one purely for the resistances and stuff TotalInfinity brought up in my physiology creation page CRT.

Great work. We can add TotalMaster’s Infinity Blaster calc to the other sandbox for Heavenly Dragon scaling, if it gets accepted.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Spoiler: Low Class

I started talking about the lower levels of DxD
everything starts with this

Raynare survived being punched through a wall with enough force to create some dust, although she was briefly knocked out.
in Vsbattle there is a calculation for a similar feat
Assuming that the dust released is an indication of violent fragmentation it would be more or less 13708143.75 Joules or 0.003276 Tons, that is Wall level + and is 913.87625 times the baseline Wall level.
If it were 15% stronger it would be Small Building
Therefore anyone who scales with reference to it can be said to be hundreds of times above the Wall Level baseline.

Those who would escalate would be:

Dohnaseek, Kalawarna and Mittelt who are fallen angels of the same level

Yuuto Kiba Beginning of the Series was able to hurt Raynare and talked about her as if she could defeat her alone.

Freed Sellzen Base scales for fighting alongside Yuuto Start of the Series

Koneko Toujou is much stronger than Freed Base and Yuuto

Issei Base Start of the Series, although a little weaker than Raynare, was able to hurt Freed Base with Promotion.

Asia Argento as a human withstood a hit from Freed Base and as a devil she should be comparable to Issei Base Beginning of the Series since the latter is weak even by the standards of an average Low Class Devil.

Mira-chan escalates to Issei Base Start of the Series since she easily defeated him in their first meeting.

Issei Base Post-First Training is stronger than before and can keep up with Mira

Asia Post-First Training surpasses Issei Base Post-First Training who declares himself the weakest of Rias Gremory's Peerage

Ile and Nel, Burent, Marion and Shuriya, Burent are superior to Mira since the latter is the weakest member of Riser Fenix's Nobility.

Ni and Li escalate to being superior Issei Post-First Training

Yuuto Kiba Post-First Training was able to defeat Marion and Shuriya, Burent together.

Karlamine climbs to that Yuuto Post-First Training

Siris and Mihae climb Karlamine

Issei Second Liberation is 4 times more than before by being able to defeat Karlamine, Siris, Mihae, Ni and Li with a combined attack with Yuuto Post-First Training, after Partial Dragonification and Awakening the Incomplete Balance Breaker he became stronger

At this point they should have already crossed the line to the Small Building level and it would be at least 0.005 Tons
which means the following scale to that and are Small Building level

Rassei escalates to being able to hurt Yuuto Post-First Training and Issei Second Liberation

Yuuto Kiba Post-Training Base in the Underworld scales to be stronger than his previous self

Koneko Toujou Post-Training in the Underworld is superior to her previous self, Higher with Nekomata Mode

Ruruku Nimura Home Series is comparable to Koneko Nekomata Mode

Reya Kusaka Start of the Series should be comparable to Ruruku Start of the Series

Momo Hanaki Start of the Series should be comparable to Ruruku Start of the Series

Asia Argento Post-Training in the Underworld should be superior to her previous self

By the way, if all of these are accepted, we’ll probably have to explain the justification on the verse page. Kinda similar to the One Piece page:

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So others understand where the values are coming from.

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

I just realized that I took DxD from the Island level to the Multi-Continent level based on pure Powerscaling and multipliers, now I know how whoever made the Dragon Ball Power Scaling felt.