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High 8-C Survival of the Fittest Tournament: Group A - Ming Xin vs Joseph Joestar

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Group A:
Round 7:
Same Rules as stated in the Tournament.
Can joseph end his Group's fiinal match with an undefeated win ?

Results:
Ming Xin (Tales of Herding Gods):
Joseph Joestar (Jojo) Post Training: 7 (DD, Popted2, Acer, Speedster, Glace, Pokemonfan, Naito)
Inconclusive:
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Ming and does these attacks. (Taken from his previous matches)
It's a palm attack that contains nine layers of force where the energy hitting a target looks like different dragons. They all come one after another, the second will arrive before the first even impacts you, the third will do the same for the second, etc. Each layer has one more dragon from 1 to 9. Basically, the first layer is one dragon force, the second is two, the third is three...till the last one.
One is to defy the imminent death, like being very heavily wounded and still fight (casual thing in fighting series) and one is to have your soul destroyed.
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Ming Xin doesn't brawls, he's a patient person who won't rush without thinking. He's a monk, do you expect him to go straight without thinking and planning? No, he's not dumb.
Ming Xin can keep with up with Qin Mu who defeated as I said above 365 (palace masters who each has decades to hundreds of years of experience) plus the elders of his village who are even on a higher level than these palace masters.
It's danger sensing, not info analysis or precog/future sight to know what will happen. He will know its a dangerous move but he won't be able to move out of the way since it's a soundwave and light-based soul attack.
He is not smart as Qin Mu. But he's good enough at fighting that he can be very problematic for him. Analytical Prediction won't save him from a soul attack that disperse through soundwave and light with speed equal as both are close combatants..
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Qin Mu before he was let out of his village had to defeat all his elders in their specific arts which he did. Then before he was accepted as the Cult Master he had to defeat all 365 Palaces of the Devil Cult - each Palace had a master on a specific art (swords, staffs, painting, smithing, cooking, fist arts, leg arts, etc) - all these arts are used for attacking in weird and strange ways. Each palace master while they sealed their realm to the same as Qin Mu (basically lowering their speed and attack power), they still had their decades to hundreds of years of experience in fighting. Anyway, Qin Mu defeated them all but Ming Xin proved to be a more skilled fighter as he caused more problems for him.
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Chariot190 said:
He one shots those on that level, twice over.
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Yes but looking at Ming's Bell move that doesn't really seem the case
Ming Xin as the Rulai Sutra is his first move and once activated it will create a bell around him that can blocks attacks so if Charles can't overcome it then he can't hurt Xin. he Sutra will make those seeing it doubt themselves; one would have to ask himself/herself if they can "Who would dare to attack Buddha?" and if the heart is strong enough to proceed with it as his body would glow faintly with a golden light, giving people the feeling that he was a divine, solemn, and great Buddha, putting an incomparable pressure on their spirits.
Rulai sutra its by sight as it will make the user seem like the Buddha. In his fight with Qin Mu it affected the entire arena and all those that had come to see it.
After the use of Rulai Sutra, Ming will either wait for his opponent to attack first if they somehow overcome the doubt and have the will to attack Buddha, or attack with either Thousand-Armed Buddha (attack fast enough that he will look like he has 1000 arms and the attacks will shake the soul till its destroyed) or Sunshine Refining Yang Soul In The Sky (this one is a single attack that transform his fist in sun while the thunderclap produced by it will shatter the soul while its light will purge it) which both will affect not only the body but also the soul.
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Joseph doesn't have a way around this.
 
Why are you assuming I was arguing against any of that dude? I was just saying Joseph's AP, again, is being a tad undersold, he's on par with dudes who one shot two tonners, and his Ultimate Hamon Overdrive one shot Light Mode which one shot Lisa Lisa and Stroheim, with Lisa Lisa being 3x Joseph himself.
But...
Ming Xin as the Rulai Sutra is his first move and once activated it will create a bell around him that can blocks attacks
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Hamon can phase through obstacles and objects, you could put a ten meter thick wall between Joseph and whoever, it won't actually serve as protection as one of the main properties of Hamon is phasing, even Pre-Deep Pass Jonathan can channel Hamon through something as large as a small cliffface. So unless this protection is absolutely thick as ****, it won't help a whole lot.
he Sutra will make those seeing it doubt themselves; one would have to ask himself/herself if they can "Who would dare to attack Buddha?"
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Unironically don't think Joseph would give a shit given he can power through Dio's fear aura and charisma, which reduces others into a state where they're to paralyzed to even do anything half the time, all Joseph notes is that it's chilling to him but not much else. Not to mention Stand's require one to have a supernatural will.
and if the heart is strong enough to proceed with it as his body would glow faintly with a golden light, giving people the feeling that he was a divine, solemn, and great Buddha, putting an incomparable pressure on their spirits.
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Joseph is capable of harnessing a Stand, which as we know, requires an incredibly strong spirit and force of will, and even in Part 2 it's confirmed that Joseph was actually a budding Stand User, just hadn't fully manifested his Stand, as confirmed in JoJonium. Depending on what you mean by "pressure on spirit" anyway.

After the use of Rulai Sutra, Ming will either wait for his opponent to attack first if they somehow overcome the doubt and have the will to attack Buddha, or attack with either Thousand-Armed Buddha (attack fast enough that he will look like he has 1000 arms and the attacks will shake the soul till its destroyed)
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Speed equalized obviously, it looking like it has 1000 arms doesn't mean it does, in fact, throwing a thousand punches in a second is about supersonic which is what the "1000" afterimagery is likely referring to, and the thunderclap being sonicbooms, and thank **** too, if speed wasn't equal, Joseph would blitz hard. I'm not so sure if arguing a speed based technique against a dude who normally blitzes you a million times over is exactly fair. Plus, Joseph has dealt with dudes with afterimage creation anyhow.
or Sunshine Refining Yang Soul In The Sky (this one is a single attack that transform his fist in sun while the thunderclap produced by it will shatter the soul while its light will purge it) which both will affect not only the body but also the soul.
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Of course, Joseph can just dodge, these attacks are only problematic if they hit, if they don't hit, they're not a issue. And it isn't like Joseph is incapable of dodging.

It should also be pointed out here that the same goes for Ming, he resists literally none of Joseph's hax or abilities, info analysis he doesnt resist, and everything Hamon can do, from mind control, hypnosis, organ failure, sleep inducement/unconscious inducement, body control, biomanip, etc, all of these work on Ming, so like with most matches, it's a matter of Joseph just needing to hit his foe once, and given Joseph's equipment from guns, oil, crossbows, grenades, etc, he outranges his foe, though of course, the general schtick of fleeing and coming back with a counter is something Joseph is always open to, why fight the monk with hax if you can run away and set stuff up or come back with a hard counter? As Joseph says against ACDC and Wham, only fight when you know you're going to win, the art of war and all that. There's also Hamon shrouds, which is basically a small skin thick forcefield made of Hamon energy as protection, Will did it once against Tarkus, and Joseph himself actually did it once too, albeit, against a mugger with a knife.

I will admit soul hax is an issue for Joseph (at least in Part 2) and if hit with some soul destroying hax he's obviously ******, but his foe is also in a state where if he gets hit once he dies, given the environment being a lush island, this might be a solid win condition for Joseph, he can just channel Hamon through the environment from his starting position into his foe before things get bad.

Though I want to point out Ming fighting dudes with hundreds of years of experience isn't an advantage, Joseph has fought dudes with 102000 years of experience.
Joseph also has a ludicrous stamina advantage so he'd outlast if it comes down to that.
 
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And with that Joseph completes his 4/4 matches all with victory and is a the top of Group A with 12 Points, We're just gonna have to see how the rest of the group shapes up.
 
Well my issue has nothing to do with the profiles, but the fact that we're already moving on without Zara even here to say anything.
 
Nierre said:
Well my issue has nothing to do with the profiles, but the fact that we're already moving on without Zara even here to say anything.
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of course we will wait his input, for now we will count the votes, you know Demon cancel the points for Joseph in the main thread, until Zara will have said his input
 
Here I'm.

Rulai Sutra if you were to read above it's not about caring or not, it's about if you have the will to attack the Buddha. To attack a godly being. Anyway, Joseph is arrogant enough to do it.

But the Bell aspect of Rulai Sutra will block anything that tries to harm him till its destroyed. Phasing won't work as its created from energy (vital qi - spiritual energy). Qin Mu tried normal attacks, it didn't work. He tried elemental ones, it didn't pass through it. He tried soul attacks, still not. Energy attacks, vibrations/soundwaves? Still didn't do anything. So he chose to finally destroy it before using his Soul BFR that it's just speaking a few words. How thick is the protection? Qin Mu who scales above Ming Xin had to use a nine layered force to break through it (and the layer force its more powerful with each one - first has just a dragon, second two, third three....etc till the ninth which has 9 - that's a total of 45 attacks combined into one). That's how much he needed to exert to shatter the bell.

He doesn't need to resist to his attacks if they can't even harm him till the bell is shattered. Info analysis is good but while Joseph is very good at predicting and fighting, he still is someone who will fight at close range (excluding a few instances) - just look at his fights from anime. He will come in close range and that's when he will be harmed by the soul-shattering thunderclap or the golden light of purge.

Joseph : Standard melee range, extended melee range with clackers, potentially much further with other weapons and Hamon

Ming: Normal melee, tens of meters with various attacks

Hmm, Ming also has the advantage here. Joseph only has further if he were to have the Tommy Gun. The other weapons will mean that he has all of them on him (does Joseph suddenly have a spatial storage/hammer space and can have on him a tommy gun, greenades, oils, crossbows, etc)? No, he had just a few in each fight - he never had all of them on him.

Ming is also more mobile as he can semi-fly. He can easily get out of Joseph range and then attack him with lightning and his other skills.

Joseph while can increase his AP, he is still a lot lower overall. While Ming is normally at such a high value which is still above what Joseph reaches. If you want to scaling then I also can put over 10 characters that scale higher than the value which the AP is taken from (Monk Ban Chi < then there were lots of higher people in power that were chasing Qin Mu as he returned home, each being stronger than the previous one and they still lost to him who had problem with Ming Xin - if you want I can post the entire scaling but I like more to base on an apparent value).

These guys, you talk about with decades to hundreds of years of experience all fight weekly with foes on their calibre (Thunderclap Monastery, The Khans of the Middleland, The Daoist Sect, The Three Jade Palaces, The Peace Empire, demons, devils, monsters, etc - they have in spade experience with fighting other beings, races, etc), while the three pillars men were the strongest and most of the time they were asleep.
 
Chariot190 said:
Why are you assuming I was arguing against any of that dude? I was just saying Joseph's AP, again, is being a tad undersold, he's on par with dudes who one shot two tonners, and his Ultimate Hamon Overdrive one shot Light Mode which one shot Lisa Lisa and Stroheim, with Lisa Lisa being 3x Joseph himself.
But...

Hamon can phase through obstacles and objects, you could put a ten meter thick wall between Joseph and whoever, it won't actually serve as protection as one of the main properties of Hamon is phasing, even Pre-Deep Pass Jonathan can channel Hamon through something as large as a small cliffface. So unless this protection is absolutely thick as ****, it won't help a whole lot.

Unironically don't think Joseph would give a shit given he can power through Dio's fear aura and charisma, which reduces others into a state where they're to paralyzed to even do anything half the time, all Joseph notes is that it's chilling to him but not much else. Not to mention Stand's require one to have a supernatural will.

Joseph is capable of harnessing a Stand, which as we know, requires an incredibly strong spirit and force of will, and even in Part 2 it's confirmed that Joseph was actually a budding Stand User, just hadn't fully manifested his Stand, as confirmed in JoJonium. Depending on what you mean by "pressure on spirit" anyway.


Speed equalized obviously, it looking like it has 1000 arms doesn't mean it does, in fact, throwing a thousand punches in a second is about supersonic which is what the "1000" afterimagery is likely referring to, and the thunderclap being sonicbooms, and thank **** too, if speed wasn't equal, Joseph would blitz hard. I'm not so sure if arguing a speed based technique against a dude who normally blitzes you a million times over is exactly fair. Plus, Joseph has dealt with dudes with afterimage creation anyhow.


Of course, Joseph can just dodge, these attacks are only problematic if they hit, if they don't hit, they're not a issue. And it isn't like Joseph is incapable of dodging.

It should also be pointed out here that the same goes for Ming, he resists literally none of Joseph's hax or abilities, info analysis he doesnt resist, and everything Hamon can do, from mind control, hypnosis, organ failure, sleep inducement/unconscious inducement, body control, biomanip, etc, all of these work on Ming, so like with most matches, it's a matter of Joseph just needing to hit his foe once, and given Joseph's equipment from guns, oil, crossbows, grenades, etc, he outranges his foe, though of course, the general schtick of fleeing and coming back with a counter is something Joseph is always open to, why fight the monk with hax if you can run away and set stuff up or come back with a hard counter? As Joseph says against ACDC and Wham, only fight when you know you're going to win, the art of war and all that. There's also Hamon shrouds, which is basically a small skin thick forcefield made of Hamon energy as protection, Will did it once against Tarkus, and Joseph himself actually did it once too, albeit, against a mugger with a knife.

I will admit soul hax is an issue for Joseph (at least in Part 2) and if hit with some soul destroying hax he's obviously ******, but his foe is also in a state where if he gets hit once he dies, given the environment being a lush island, this might be a solid win condition for Joseph, he can just channel Hamon through the environment from his starting position into his foe before things get bad.

Though I want to point out Ming fighting dudes with hundreds of years of experience isn't an advantage, Joseph has fought dudes with 102000 years of experience.
Joseph also has a ludicrous stamina advantage so he'd outlast if it comes down to that.
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Chariot wanna say something?
 
Wait this is still going? I was told the tourney was canceled?
 
He doesn't win yet. Chariot and other people still have to answer my last post.
 
Chariot do you have time now?
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Some time today, though that depends how anal people are gonna be about shit that isn't clearly explained on his profile but is still technically accepted (stuff I'm gonna mention IS on profiles, it just isn't on his in particular because various Hamon abilities are kinda scattered around and besides Lisa Lisa, they're all missing at least something they should have (Lisa Lisa only has everything because it was decided she should automatically have everything so it just copied and pasted everytime so shit was never forgotten), though said something is mentioned on other dude's and vice versa. Tbh been think we should just make a Hamon power page to have everything in one place).
 
Chariot190 said:
Some time today, though that depends how anal people are gonna be about shit that isn't clearly explained on his profile but is still technically accepted (stuff I'm gonna mention IS on profiles, it just isn't on his in particular because various Hamon abilities are kinda scattered around and besides Lisa Lisa, they're all missing at least something they should have, though said something is mentioned on other dude's and vice versa. Tbh been think we should just make a Hamon power page to have everything in one place).
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making an Hamon page would be really useful,

thanks Chariot
 
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