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Also why is the lie that Deku is 2.7 tons still around, he was 2.7 tons months before this key and trained immensely since then, the AP difference is not that big at all especially with Fa Jin
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How can he grapple on his arm or any part of the body if the Bell is active?If he’s grappled on his arms he can’t swing his hand. Deku goes for arms. I’m sensing a problem for Ming here.
So he gets grappled then Deku punches several times with Fa Jin amping his attacks until the bell breaks then starts punching him, and he can’t do much about it because he’s grappled by higher LS from multiple sources.
Does the Bell block him from getting affected by anything or just attacksHow can he grapple on his arm or any part of the body if the Bell is active?
We SHOULD put all his percentages in every key but it would make his profile cluttered so GG I guess welcome to theoretical Base Deku hell.Izuku is an unknown amount stronger than 2.7 Tons, no matter what words are used that isn't going to change. Unless they can provide some one shot I'm unaware of. There is nothing to suggest he even goes above 3 Tons. This is how this wiki works, simply being a lot stronger means nothing.
However I am curious about the whole not being able to use other percentages in different keys. We say he no longer uses 8%, but we all realize that Izuku would never fight in his base form correct? He would use OFA, it's horrible out of character for him to use his base verse. I'd say worse that lowering to 8% or something.
So I'm curious, how does this rule actually go? Since I don't see how allowing him to use other percentages would be that different to magically restricting him to his base.
And to support this claim I bring up the entire scaling chain in the NNT series page, where the highest calc is currently high 7-A yet the strongest characters are High 6-CWe SHOULD put all his percentages in every key but it would make his profile cluttered so GG I guess welcome to theoretical Base Deku hell.
And that’s BS he can’t be argued higher than 2.7 tons when he has gotten ridiculously stronger since Joint Training.
He can be higher, but we have nothing solid to base it on. Statements of him being a lot stronger is utterly meaningless. A 3.7 Ton character would still be seen as slightly stronger than him, but not as much as a 2.7 character would be. Unless he had some crazy one shot or multiplier.We SHOULD put all his percentages in every key but it would make his profile cluttered so GG I guess welcome to theoretical Base Deku hell.
And that’s BS he can’t be argued higher than 2.7 tons when he has gotten ridiculously stronger since Joint Training.
But we have to rate his base form because people scale from it. Suffering is eternal, since we now get spam fights of base Deku against “insert High 8-C character here”He can be higher, but we have nothing solid to base it on. Statements of him being a lot stronger is utterly meaningless. A 3.7 Ton character would still be seen as slightly stronger than him, but not as much as a 2.7 character would be. Unless he had some crazy one shot or multiplier.
Base Izuku has like zero showings, since he never fights in his base after learning Full Cowl.
I don't actually believe Izuku's OFA has improved drastically in terms of power. However Izuku himself has changed and does need different keys, and labeling all of his percentages would be very full of clutter as you said.
Maybe we shouldn't even rate Izuku's base form at all
It blocks things from reaching him and hurting him. Qin Mu had to destroy it before even using the Soul BFR.Does the Bell block him from getting affected by anything or just attacks
So Deku breaks the bell then grabs him. A couple Fa Jin kicks should destroy it and he has higher mobility with Float + Blackwhip so he just keeps at range, blinds him with smokescreen, dodges all of Ming’s attacks because they’re easy as heck to avoid with Danger Sense + Analytical Prediction and never gets touched by the soul destruction because he’s constantly darting in and out of range.It blocks things from reaching him and hurting him. Qin Mu had to destroy it before even using the Soul BFR.
Are you just ignoring Deku can speed amp and that their combat speed is supersonic? He can dodge the attack, it’s not hard to see. Also why is the light also killing now?He can't dodge with speed equal if its sound-based and the light will purge the soul. It's not soul damage, its soul shattered and purged - its instakill if not resisted.
Same can be said for Ming Xin and run away, dodge and counter if needed anything Deku can do. What's 10 different attacks compared to countering 1000?
It was from the beginning, look upward (its the 24 post) -https://vsbattles.com/threads/high-8-c-survival-of-the-fittest-tournament-group-a-ming-xin-vs-deku-my-hero.133804/post-4604137Are you just ignoring Deku can speed amp and that their combat speed is supersonic? He can dodge the attack, it’s not hard to see. Also why is the light also killing now?
Ming isn’t as smart as Deku and gets easily beaten on multiple fronts is why he can’t do what Deku does. 1000 attacks is irrelevant if your opponent can avoid all of them while you can’t avoid his 10.
Buddy, speed is equalized to the slower party. This is irrelevant because they’re both supersonic in combat speed. So Deku is relative to his soul attack in speed. And he can speed amp. So he’s faster. He’s out of the range before the attack goes off and doesn’t get hit.It was from the beginning, look upward (its the 24 post) -https://vsbattles.com/threads/high-8-c-survival-of-the-fittest-tournament-group-a-ming-xin-vs-deku-my-hero.133804/post-4604137
How can't he avoid 10? He counters 1000 and he also has the shield to block if he were to not. Ming may not be as smart as Deku but he has better fighting skills as he could match with Qin Mu.
Smokescreen is bigger than the range of his attacks, so he’s only dispersing parts of it. Which Deku can fill back up easily. So he still can’t fight as effectively within it unless he’s spamming that one attack constantly at which point he gets easily predicted.I did for smokescreen - his Spring Thunder Art that compresses the air before his palm rapidly, then explode outward, disrupting things around it that will disperse the smoke and the light from the Yang Refining Art.
Analytical Prediction like I said won't help as he fought with Qin Mu who also has it - which can predict the trajectory and direction of attacks/movements by how the muscles, tendons move under the skin, the difference in power, and to see the flaws of the enemy. He had no problem with fighting with him.
I didn't say its true light, It says that it creates light that will purge the soul. Speed amp won't help much if he comes close as he has the shield and if he stays too much afar his Dragon Spirit will start to heal himself (which in prolonged fights its a good one).
Ming Xin doesn't brawls, he's a patient person who won't rush without thinking. He's a monk, do you expect him to go straight without thinking and planning? No, he's not dumb.
First, you said fighting skills are important when you said that Deku defeated older people with decades on him and now it doesn't? They do and Ming Xin has them in spade.
finally, someone else acknowledged itAlso, a forgotten fact, the Iron Soles has a double impact for his kicks, so he’s actually hitting the bell twice everytime he kicks it, on top of Fa Jin. So that bell is definitely going down quickly.
Popted2 looking at the situation of the votes what should we do ?wait actually i don't know if Deku ap is really 8 tons, i would like to hear the opinion of a trusted MHA supporter, i will come back later
Voting is now 7-6 can you tell me that difference for a victory for either ?Ming FRA
Difference of 3 votesVoting is now 7-6 can you tell me that difference for a victory for either ?
heh.so now Ming has officially won the roundUnfortunally
It does, change things. If we count King then Izuku is sitting at 8 and Ming at 9I'll vote Izuki for Kingofwolves999 reasons. Maybe that doesn't change anything but...
I agree with King, I'm a little confused here as well.