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You can’t even pull the box to ACT, ITEM or MERCY anyways, only attack. It’s a legit powernull via 4th Wall Breaking, stop downplaying the feat already.
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"Here's a better question... do you wanna have bad time?" - Sans Profile Rework!
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Because Frisk only wants to FIGHT there? Like, tf. You cannot spare Sans, like you cannot spare Undying or NEO.
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I was only 4 hours offline and now I check this thread again and I see someone´s getting banned 
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I was only 4 hours offline and now I check this thread again and I see someone´s getting banned
Anyway, for now no, he's not even being reported.
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Wait isn’t this… it can’t be… Strym is using a HEADCANON?
Also, even if we play by that logic, healing your HP would help greatly, and in majority of 1st attempts at this point you have 1 HP.
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If this is your logic, you don't see the problem with, according to your words, "Frisk just walking towards Sans and killing him"?
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Enough with the accusatory tone, I am getting plenty from Shion, and you're also adding into it.
Plus that "majority of 1st attempts" is just relying on game mechanics again, as nothing says that Frisk in canon has 1 HP at the end of the fight.
Kinda? Because FIGHTing would be just the act of attacking with the weapon you have. Idk why are you pulling extremes in "either this extremely low interpretation or this super high interpretation" while desperately fighting against my reasonable middle end.
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I just don't see the correlation, how does sans sleeping somehow mean he already took his turn? Actually, the turn doesn't even end, does it? But somehow you can attack?
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It just means that his ability to extend turns has a hole, and that you can attack in his turn as he's defenseless and has no longer control over it.
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Frisk doesn't have it.
Already addressed above. You Sans glazers are like broken discs at this point.
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While they've been accusatory, you're also not helping with the jokes about vote manipulation and such. You should know by now how frustrating being misrepresented can be and how in turn stuff gets heated from there. Simply avoid such jokes when already the discussion is on thin water.
Regardless, both sides should behave.
Can a summary be quickly linked so I can take an in-depth look?
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Right.
I made this pretty big counter to the OP and then adding these two (1st has even a correction I made to his blog).
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I am willing to wait, however note other staff can give input then an admin determine the topic concluded, since I see a lot of staff giving votes already.
Thank you.
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That and me removing Power Null from his 4th wall awareness (that's combat applicable) due to it not really nullifying abilities, but preventing them from using these things, which is pretty different imo, but that can go in semantics, idk.
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I'm pretty sure it was San's turn and Frisk broke that rule via 4th wall-breaking as well. Unless you're implying that all Monsters gets powernull for getting their turns?
Furthermore If Frisk chose any other option at that point Sans would just wake up which defeats the point of aiming for the attack first to end the fight as
Sans has one of the lowest durability
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It was already tried and rejected.
Idk here, as I can pretty much interpret it as a weakness of Sans' Special Attack, as Frisk could've just attacked Sans while he was also doing so in his turn before.
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They're literally under the player's control, the capital meta character in UT.
And sorry but his special attack not working anymore cause he lost control over the turn or something just seems stretch. The entire basis behind it is: If I don't do anything, I don't take my turn, so Frisk won't get their turn either. Nothing about him putting effort to extend the turn or whatever.
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Nothing says they're aware of it. Show them pulling a Kris.
It's kinda what happens on screen and the solution that has less assumptions and without going in the canon battle box nonsense.
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But it indeed is a headcanon, though. Unless you can show me that you can use ACT, ITEM or MERCY during Sans’ special attack, of course!
They would struggle same as Flowey given he’s the representation of Genocide us.
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You see... we don't see how neither Chara nor Frisk react to Sans, meaning we cannot say anything. After all, if they completing a run without ever SAVing once is a thing that acknowledged from the game, I don't see why them struggling to Sans in their 1st attempt must be a canon thing too.
You're trying to force your narrative in a game where literally every possible interaction and outcome is canon, so please.
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Sans can indefinitely extend his turn despite it naturally going to the opponent after some time. Yeah, Frisk should have Combat Applicable 4th Wall Breaking, same as Asgore and probably Asriel.
Doesn’t matter, you cannot go with the box to any other option even if you WANT to. And anyone without 4th Wall Breaking in the similar way would not be able to even attack.
The very point of the True Pacifist is that Frisk is a genuinely good person, who holds back when it comes to attacking people, as seen with Undyne fake fight, Frisk refusing to offend Amalgametes despite being forced to, or the only button being left against Asriel being SAVE…. However this was rejected anonymously by the members of this wiki. So same logic applies here, unless you want to use double standards.
They also don’t say “Oh well let’s spare him out of interest”, yet you say they did it out of interest due to Flowey being such, so please be consistent.
This is not acknowledged on Genocide Route.
You are the one who said Flowey is representation of us on Genocide, not me.
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I'll just stop replying as I'd want staff to see the things, as I already have stated my concerns and why I think it's a weakness, so repeating it over and over is not helping.
Don't wanna bloat this thread with same arguments, different words, right? We're already close at 10 pages after all.
Don't wanna bloat this thread with same arguments, different words, right? We're already close at 10 pages after all.
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They're under the control of the player.
The player is the only one who needs to be aware of the meta stuff for Frisk to use them.
I personally wouldn't consider an explanation that contradicts itself and breaks apart when you consider the mechanics of the move, the safest option, even if the other options require more assumptions.
It honestly sounds like saying that Goku broke through Hit's timeskip, because his aura was red, and Hit has a weakness to the color red.
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Ngl I’ll just let this pass and make another thread to re-upgrade Sans lol
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Cool, and?
Bruh what the **** is this. You're using an extremely dishonest comparison to defeat my attempt to explain a super vague thing in the way that is the most conservative and less wank.
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And if it fails enough times, discussion rule.
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I’m really out of options, so…
Don’t worry, it won’t get to that
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This point doesn't hold up.
I'll admit, my previous comparison was a bit too extreme.
A better analogy would be saying that Goku broke through Hit's timeskip just because, with no explanation beyond "it stopped working," or cause Hit’s timeskip occasionally fails when he’s distracted, even though it was specifically stated that it's not dependent on focus. It’s essentially trying to handwave a clear mechanic.
Nah, the most conservative option would be claiming that it's just plain old teleportation, with the reason behind Frisk not using ACT or ITEM simply being that they didn’t see the need to, and not because they couldn’t reach a non-existent menu. Not a fan of it, but it's still internally consistent, mostly.
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Ngl I've got no idea at this point lol.
Anyway, reading the rest then probably Frisk/Chara should get it too, idfk here.
Btw, if Sans is getting this Selective Intangibility, shouldn't Papyrus, Asgore and Mettaton also get it through blue/orange attacks?
I do remember also some of the Dogs using blue attacks, Pyrope using orange ones and So Sorry using both, but I don't remember who else.
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All this over a character who is titanically overrated while ya'll leave every other character in the ******* dust of shitty profiles.
"Incredibly combat savvy, though she can be a tad bit naive."
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This has been Undyne's intelligence section for longer then I've been on the wiki, but because she can't be properly wanked, ya'll don't give a ****.
Reminder: this is what got 95% of FNaF nuked into the Shadow Realm. Do we really need that song and dance again where all the attention is put on just one or two guys and the rest of the verse falls into being deletion worthy?
"Incredibly combat savvy, though she can be a tad bit naive."
Undyne
Undyne is a leader of the Royal Guard who attempts to pursue Frisk all the way throughout Waterfall. Hot-blooded and passionate, she takes her duties and honor as a Royal Guard extremely seriously, going so far as to hand Frisk a shield to defend against her barriers after preventing his escape...
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Reminder: this is what got 95% of FNaF nuked into the Shadow Realm. Do we really need that song and dance again where all the attention is put on just one or two guys and the rest of the verse falls into being deletion worthy?
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Blame Shion for pretending that only Sans is worth of attention and the rest is irrelevant garbo lol.All this over a character who is titanically overrated while ya'll leave every other character in the ******* dust of shitty profiles.
"Incredibly combat savvy, though she can be a tad bit naive."
This has been Undyne's intelligence section for longer then I've been on the wiki, but because she can't be properly wanked, ya'll don't give a ****.Undyne
Undyne is a leader of the Royal Guard who attempts to pursue Frisk all the way throughout Waterfall. Hot-blooded and passionate, she takes her duties and honor as a Royal Guard extremely seriously, going so far as to hand Frisk a shield to defend against her barriers after preventing his escape...
Reminder: this is what got 95% of FNaF nuked into the Shadow Realm. Do we really need that song and dance again where all the attention is put on just one or two guys and the rest of the verse falls into being deletion worthy?
I do agree that the other profiles need attention and that Sans can go **** himself for all I care tho, I just dunno how to do it either.
As I said already, as long as it's not Sans wank bs, I can give you a hand in revamping the profiles.
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Mettaton's my priority at the moment. I'm sure I can get to Undyne in like, a year or two.
Of course, you can rework her if ya want too.
Of course, you can rework her if ya want too.
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Undyne
Undyne is a leader of the Royal Guard who attempts to pursue Frisk all the way throughout Waterfall. Hot-blooded and passionate, she takes her duties and honor as a Royal Guard extremely seriously, going so far as to hand Frisk a shield to defend against her barriers after preventing his escape...
Well at least it isn’t that bad, I know a verse with profiles far worse
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Gravity Falls where every profile that's not Bill or Ford is complete garbo lol.
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Regardless imo these are the profiles of characters who desperately need a revamp:
- Papyrus
- Asgore
- Mettaton
- Undyne
- Mad Dummy
- (Maybe) Toriel
- (Maybe) Napstablook
- (Maybe) Alphys
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Holy **** I don't know how that was a thing. I remember writing it fully. Fixing.
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