"Here's a better question... do you wanna have bad time?" - Sans Profile Rework!

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I don't think the sole explanation for every line of dialogue in a game with a large degree of player choice should be put down to "The other characters manipulated the PC into doing that with their social influencing".

My primary reading of that sparing scene is that, to some degree, the player still has the capacity to see Sans as a friend, and isn't actually just a remorseless killing machine. So an appeal to that can work, just as it can with every other character in the genocide route a run could end at. They don't all have SI, they're just examples of the player's capacity for empathy, which in the ultimately canon form of that route is demonstrated to be absent.

The only thing I would say is that Frisk on the Genocide Route is indeed a killing machine. Sparing just one character before Mettaton NEO makes him to believe that Frisk is bad at trying to play pure evil, but on actual Genocide he doesn’t say that. This alone is already an evidence for that. There are also lots of other proofs on Genocide Route, like Frisk not caring about Papyrus puzzles, or his attempts to make us a better person, etc., but I won’t list all of them because those are enough.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Or that could also just be a remark to the player's choice being bad at playing Evil as "They Tried to" as reflected on Frisk as their character they are playing

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Or that could also just be a remark to the player's choice being bad at playing Evil as "They Tried to" as reflected on Frisk as their character they are playing

It could also be both, a meta explanation can't really replace an in-universe one.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Or that could also just be a remark to the player's choice being bad at playing Evil as "They Tried to" as reflected on Frisk as their character they are playing

Headcanon

The fact stands. On non-genocide, we’re not pure evil. On Genocide, we are.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I'd need a single staff more to agree with me so this thread finally dies....

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Oh yeah, the updated blog still has the [directly acknowledging them as "the anomaly"] thing.
Should probably replace it with him being able to interject during the Game Over or something

 

[StrymULTRA]

Oh yeah, the updated blog still has the [directly acknowledging them as "the anomaly"] thing.
Should probably replace it with him being able to interject during the Game Over or something

Meh, idk I don't care enough to remove it.

Plus wasn't the Player called the Anomaly here once?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Plus wasn't the Player called the Anomaly here once?

Yup.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yup.

Right. Tbh your suggestion makes sense, and I'll implement it when I'll can, as rn we're too much in Meta crap to give a concrete answer.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

It could also be both, a meta explanation can't really replace an in-universe one.

exactly the point the evidence used to argue for at the same time is also evidence to argue against. so it nullifies itself
So it's not really an evidence to argue it for

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I don't quite follow.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I don't quite follow.

Basically he's saying that the evidence of Frisk being completely evil completely relies on a Meta explanation, which is unusable given how blurry it is.

 

[Agnaa]

The only thing I would say is that Frisk on the Genocide Route is indeed a killing machine. Sparing just one character before Mettaton NEO makes him to believe that Frisk is bad at trying to play pure evil, but on actual Genocide he doesn’t say that. This alone is already an evidence for that. There are also lots of other proofs on Genocide Route, like Frisk not caring about Papyrus puzzles, or his attempts to make us a better person, etc., but I won’t list all of them because those are enough.

Actually, you can spare Jerry as many times as you want :3

 

[Robo432343]

he used the :3 symbol
mods crush his skull

 

[Agnaa]

umm actually im a super mod so i scale above the other mods xP

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

bump

 

[StrymULTRA]

Right. Forgot about this.

Strym makes more sense to me.

Reading the counterarguments brough by Shion, I unfortunately agree more with Strym here.

Ok so Shion told in my DMs that he lost interest in this CRT (I can send it if needed) + we have 2 staff fully agreeing and 1 agreeing with the SI nerf.

Can Sans' profile be unlocked so we can end this?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also forgot these as well, they'd need to be unlocked so the matches can be restored/removed:

Mister Fantastic

Reed Richards, better known as Mister Fantastic, is the leader of the Fantastic Four and the head of the Future Foundation. A nearly unparalleled scientist, he invited his colleagues Susan Storm, Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm to test an experimental spacecraft of his own design as the government...

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Saitama

Saitama (サイタマ?) is a human from Z-City who; through rigorous (sort of) training broke through his human limiters and achieved unbelievable strength and abilities. Never breaking a sweat, the name One Punch Man is fitting for the effortless wins Saitama has achieved through the series. Never...

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Knuckles the Echidna (Game)

Knuckles the Echidna (ナックルズ・ザ・エキドゥナ, Nakkuruzu za Ekiduna), simply referred to as Knuckles by those who know him, is a supporting character from the Sonic the Hedgehog series. He is the sole remaining descendant of the Knuckles Clan, bestowed with a duty to protect a powerful, ancient relic...

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The Hero (Slay the Princess)

Born from the splitting of the Endless Cycle by the Narrator who feared the death of the universe, the Long Quiet is the God and living embodiment of the emptiness and the stasis of reality. Trapped in an endless series of repeating worlds, the Long Quiet is lead by an Echo to slay his opposite...

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[Maverick_Zero_X]

Also forgot these as well, they'd need to be unlocked so the matches can be restored/removed:

Mister Fantastic

Reed Richards, better known as Mister Fantastic, is the leader of the Fantastic Four and the head of the Future Foundation. A nearly unparalleled scientist, he invited his colleagues Susan Storm, Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm to test an experimental spacecraft of his own design as the government...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Saitama

Saitama (サイタマ?) is a human from Z-City who; through rigorous (sort of) training broke through his human limiters and achieved unbelievable strength and abilities. Never breaking a sweat, the name One Punch Man is fitting for the effortless wins Saitama has achieved through the series. Never...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Knuckles the Echidna (Game)

Knuckles the Echidna (ナックルズ・ザ・エキドゥナ, Nakkuruzu za Ekiduna), simply referred to as Knuckles by those who know him, is a supporting character from the Sonic the Hedgehog series. He is the sole remaining descendant of the Knuckles Clan, bestowed with a duty to protect a powerful, ancient relic...

vsbattles.fandom.com

The Hero (Slay the Princess)

Born from the splitting of the Endless Cycle by the Narrator who feared the death of the universe, the Long Quiet is the God and living embodiment of the emptiness and the stasis of reality. Trapped in an endless series of repeating worlds, the Long Quiet is lead by an Echo to slay his opposite...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Unlocked these pages + Sans

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Ok so Shion told in my DMs that he lost interest in this CRT

RIP L bozo

 

[StrymULTRA]

Unlocked these pages + Sans

Did everything that needed to be applied. You can close the pages + thread. Thank you.