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Hello guys I believe Toneri should be at least planetary level and not moon level.

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KingTempest said:
Requested to be reopened.
Idky I reopened it
Probably'll close it if the arguments aren't straight
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KingTempest said:
Lol.
Go prove that is the main reason he got the tenseigan.

There is actually 2. From the movie and from the novel.

There is one saying that it's gonna be ashes.

Unless Toneri was going to incinerate earth, it's impossible for there to be ashes.

He said he'll destroy the sage's world with the light of justice. He gave context. And I quote the novel

You will now feel the power of Hamura,
one that can move the moon!
End it... End the world of the Sage of Six Paths...!
I will destroy the Sage's world, that has fallen into darkness...
with the light of justice!

#1 This doesn't scale to Toneri. It took the original Tenseigan and Naruto's chakra in order for him to make this statement. Newsflash, Toneri scales to neither.
#2 He says he's ending the sage's world. This means the society. The earth predates Hagoromo. His "world" is the ninja society"

He's not destroying the earth. He's killing everyone on it and ******** on the environment. I've already proven that.

He says he'll destroy Naruto's world.

In this movie, when he's talking about earth, he says earth.
Now he's saying world.
When he says world, he means the shinobi society.

Which was going to badly harm everyone on the planet. Not the planet

Either way he's really not*
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here is an place where he said world with the feats from the moving moon.
1. The sage of six paths stayed on earth which became his world. Moon became the world of hamura. Are we acting like the whole earth is not gover by shinobi system. Destroy the whole world would be only logical.
2. Him using naruto charkra was a add on. Because he said he will show them the power of ha,ura that can move a moon and the power is Light of justice.
3. either by moving the moon or directly with the ray of justice. The tenseigan of toneri or the byakugan can perform both feat.


you will witness the power which was the light of justice he was about to use.
Naruto chak was not needed regardless.
 
KingTempest said:
Lol.
Go prove that is the main reason he got the tenseigan.

There is actually 2. From the movie and from the novel.

There is one saying that it's gonna be ashes.

Unless Toneri was going to incinerate earth, it's impossible for there to be ashes.

He said he'll destroy the sage's world with the light of justice. He gave context. And I quote the novel

You will now feel the power of Hamura,
one that can move the moon!
End it... End the world of the Sage of Six Paths...!
I will destroy the Sage's world, that has fallen into darkness...
with the light of justice!

#1 This doesn't scale to Toneri. It took the original Tenseigan and Naruto's chakra in order for him to make this statement. Newsflash, Toneri scales to neither.
#2 He says he's ending the sage's world. This means the society. The earth predates Hagoromo. His "world" is the ninja society"

He's not destroying the earth. He's killing everyone on it and ******** on the environment. I've already proven that.

He says he'll destroy Naruto's world.

In this movie, when he's talking about earth, he says earth.
Now he's saying world.
When he says world, he means the shinobi society.

Which was going to badly harm everyone on the planet. Not the planet

Either way he's really not*
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he use world here
he uses earth here. Go and search for earth synonyms it can never mean society.
 
KingTempest said:
Samlex, I'm gonna explain a concept to you called "context", but in powerscaling terms.

Concept is when you have a vague statement, feat, or implication that needs more support in order to understand the meaning of the statement.
The definition of ashes is here

It's clear he wasn't burning anything. He was throwing a moon into it.

But there is more than 1 definition.


This means the remains.

Now lets get some things into perspective.
1. The environment would still exist.
2. We get more context. He says that the environment will stabilize. A broken planet cannot stabilize.
3. Toneri said he was going to wake up after the earth was stabilized.

Toneri waking up and going to create earth... when he was planning to go to sleep for the sole purpose of waiting for the planet to be fixed.

Toneri wasn't creating anything from any ashes. His statement was figurative language.
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look at this three side by side
when he was talking about earth environment he means the surrounding that can only be the case because we know he still planed on creating a new planet with the tenseigan.

so many state about destroying the earth and even two about total obliteration. No way it is just destroying the surface.
 
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samlex said:
here is an place where he said world with the feats from the moving moon.
1. The sage of six paths stayed on earth which became his world. Moon became the world of hamura. Are we acting like the whole earth is not gover by shinobi system. Destroy the whole world would be only logical.
2. Him using naruto charkra was a add on. Because he said he will show them the power of ha,ura that can move a moon and the power is Light of justice.
3. either by moving the moon or directly with the ray of justice. The tenseigan of toneri or the byakugan can perform both feat.


you will witness the power which was the light of justice he was about to use.
Naruto chak was not needed regardless.
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1. The whole earth is not the shinobi system. Samurai live there, animals live there. Civilians live there. Robots live there. Empty lands live there.
This has been debated ridiculously. Unless he has drastically good context on "world", it wouldn't have the definition of planet
2. He does not scale to this.
3. Moving the moon didn't provide 5-B results.
Light* of justice isn't either, and that doesn't scale to him

You keep repeating it.
samlex said:
he use world here
he uses earth here. Go and search for earth synonyms it can never mean society.
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He was destroying "earth" via tossing the moon into it, ******** on the planet by drastically messing up the planet's environment.
Someone can destroy a moon by cutting it in half. Doesn't make it 5-C off the bat.
Unless you have proof of how he'd do it, or a calc that reaches that level, or anything, it's not 5-B
samlex said:
look at this three side by side
when he was talking about earth environment he means the surrounding that can only be the case because we know he still planed on creating a new planet with the tenseigan.
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Yeah you're ignoring everything I'm saying.

Like no way you actually ignored everything for that same "ashes" scan. I've explained this shit over and over and you keep ignoring the explanation to repeat your point.

Closing.
 
KingTempest said:
Like no way you actually ignored everything for that same "ashes" scan. I've explained this shit over and over and you keep ignoring the explanation to repeat your point.
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Even if the ashes scan were accurate, like I said earlier, it wouldn't scale to Toneri at all because his only contribution is moving the moon, which was calced in the 5-C range.

Of course, it's not even accurate. You provided multiple scans that contradict it, and a promotional leaflet will never take precedence over the canon material itself.

Once again, good job and thanks for the help, KT.
 
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