Head captain faces the biggest Quincy

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Yamamoto Genryusai VS Gerard Valkyrie​

Battlefield: Today's World
Standart Battle Assumptions
Forms to use: Bankai | Vollständig Second Form
Genryusai: Valeska24, Lynieryz, Spectra_Schiffer, noninho, Random-Helper323
Gerarrd: That_moron2
Incon:

 

[That_moron2]

Voting Gerard because Miracle.

 

[Lynieryz]

Yamamoto erases Gerard's existence FRA

• Self-Sealing, Existence Erasure, Durability Negation and Necromancy (Zanka no Tachi possess multiple unique abilities which are dependent on what "cardinal direction" Yamamoto "chooses"[11], with East Yamamoto condenses all of the flames of Zanka no Tachi into the tip of his blade[11], doing so causes anything that's hit by it to be "blown away without a trace"[11], with West Yamamoto dawns a fiery cape of flames[11] which passively exert heats that are equal to the core of the sun[11], with South Yamamoto can summon the dead of those he has slayed, these number proportally reach into the trillions[12] and finally with North Yama condenses all of the flames of Zanka no Tachi into the blade of his sword and delivers a devastating slash[13])

 

[That_moron2]

Yamamoto erases Gerard's existence FRA

Can't Gerard regen from EE?

 

[Lynieryz]

Can't Gerard regen from EE?

There's nothing about it in the profile.

• Sleep Manipulation (Able to put others to[14] sleep with kido[14])

And he has no resistance to sleep manipulation

 

[Valeska24]

Voting for yamaji

 

[Crobatman44]

Pretty certain Mid godly regen should let Gerard heal from EE but not sure.

 

[That_moron2]

There's nothing about it in the profile.

Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete erasure of one's body, mind, and soul.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

All Yamaji has to do is crush Gerard with his haxes. Even if he can't kill Gerard, will end with superiority

Also, does Gerard have an answer to the seals?

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

BTW I will add your votes when I am available

 

[Lynieryz]

It is currently accepted that mid-godly is capable of regenerating from all EE that exist in Bleach.

Exhibit 686 Of Bleach Fans Pushing Their Luck 🤪

Me and the gang be spamming Bleach CRT's 🥴. We've been teasing this for a while, but here it is. So the concept of this thread is basically upgrading all Bleach characters with Low Godly regen to Mid Godly Regen. Also upgrades Auswalen's regen neg to Mid-Godly. This is the Blog with all the...

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Bleach: Mid Godly Justifications

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[Lynieryz]

Well... Gerard still has no resistance to sleep manipulation.

 

[Bastolan27]

It would be a miracle if he didn't fall asleep

 

[That_moron2]

Well... Gerard still has no resistance to sleep manipulation.

Yama doesn't use that in combat.

 

[Lynieryz]

Yama doesn't use that in combat.

He literally has no way of killing the enemy. Arguing that he won't use something that could give him victory is lazy.

 

[That_moron2]

He literally has no way of killing the enemy. Arguing that he won't use something that could give him victory is lazy.

The activation is putting his hand in front of someone's face, which is gonna be hard since Gerard is huge.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I don't think so, Yama is much faster and crushes him with his haxes anyway. It's not that hard for Yama to put his hand on Gerard's face.

 

[That_moron2]

I don't think so, Yama is much faster and crushes him with his haxes anyway. It's not that hard for Yama to put his hand on Gerard's face.

Reality warping

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

bump

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

bump

 

[noninho]

The craziest biggest baddest elder man in soul society FRA

 

[noninho]

Also, something that crossed my mind rn:

Aizen and Yhwach are 2 out of the 3 crazy insane geniuses of the Bleachverse (and out of those 3*, I dare saying they're on the peak) and not hard to say that they're some of the most insanely powerful guys.

Aizen had to create a plan to tire Yamamoto that almost failed. Also

Aizen claims his powers were superior to anyone's in Soul Society[93], which the databooks support[94], and while this might not be literally true, as Aizen concedes inferiority to Yamamoto, it still indicates he is among the strongest people alive. Aizen also states he only was wary of Yamamoto and Zaraki's potential[95]

is on his profile.

Yhwach had to use one of the sternritters that we claim to be very busted to TIRE the old man out so that they wouldn't battle, which is implied that it is not impossible (tho also not close to likely) that Base Yhwach loses this like he did some hundreds* of years ago...

So we can say with rather ease that Yamamoto and Gerard are not on the same league, which, to my support, is said on both profiles:

Yhwach states that only he can handle the power of Zanka no Tachi[192], implying Yhwach is on the level of Yamamoto's Bankai, this would mean Yhwach is stronger than the rest of his Stern Ritter.

This justifies a Moon Level for Base Yhwach, while

At least Moon level (Was stated by Tōshirō Hitsugaya that his former form didn't even hold a candle to this one[22])

That's his level on the form we're using. comparable to "adult" Hitsugaya. Can we agree Yamaji would smack Hitsugaya? If not, what about the Zanka No Tachi ratings?

Small Planet level with Higashi: Kyokujitsujin [...] higher with Kita: Tenchi Kaijin (Yamamoto kills Royd[41])

Oh yeah, Royd, what about him?

Small Planet level with Blut Arterie (Blut provides a Bankai level increase[9], which is 5x, and Blut Arterie amplifies attack power[10][Statistics Values 2])

A level Gerard never gets..hmmm...

Yeah, not on the same league, guys.

 

[Crobatman44]

Also, something that crossed my mind rn:

Aizen and Yhwach are 2 out of the 3 crazy insane geniuses of the Bleachverse (and out of those 3*, I dare saying they're on the peak) and not hard to say that they're some of the most insanely powerful guys.

Aizen had to create a plan to tire Yamamoto that almost failed. Also

is on his profile.

Yhwach had to use one of the sternritters that we claim to be very busted to TIRE the old man out so that they wouldn't battle, which is implied that it is not impossible (tho also not close to likely) that Base Yhwach loses this like he did some hundreds* of years ago...

So we can say with rather ease that Yamamoto and Gerard are not on the same league, which, to my support, is said on both profiles:

This justifies a Moon Level for Base Yhwach, while

That's his level on the form we're using. comparable to "adult" Hitsugaya. Can we agree Yamaji would smack Hitsugaya? If not, what about the Zanka No Tachi ratings?

Oh yeah, Royd, what about him?

A level Gerard never gets..hmmm...

Yeah, not on the same league, guys.

It's worth pointing out that Cour 4 will give Vollständig/fully evolved Gerard a shot at getting to that level tho,which is why i said it's too early to make this thread.

 

[noninho]

It's worth pointing out that Cour 4 will give Vollständig/fully evolved Gerard a shot at getting to that level tho,which is why i said it's too early to make this thread.

We already have manga scaling, why would it change so badly with the anime release?
I'm not too much into Bleach here on the forum, so tell me: this happened before?

 

[Bastolan27]

We already have manga scaling, why would it change so badly with the anime release?
I'm not too much into Bleach here on the forum, so tell me: this happened before?

Yes, Squad Zero changed the scaling for all god tiers, and more Sternritters using Sklaverei upgraded most of the Quincy as a whole. By the way, the fight between Uryu and Senju in the next cour might elevate all the Schutzstaffel to 4-A. It's not too likely, but it is still possible. If we get confirmation that Gerard's transformations stack 5x each time, then with the values on his current profile multiplied by 5 at least 2 times, he would fodderize Yamamoto. So, we should wait for the next cour.

Not too long ago, we had tier 4-C God tiers.

 

[noninho]

Yes, Squad Zero changed the scaling for all god tiers, and more Sternritters using Sklaverei upgraded most of the Quincy as a whole. By the way, the fight between Uryu and Senju in the next cour might elevate all the Schutzstaffel to 4-A. It's not too likely, but it is still possible. If we get confirmation that Gerard's transformations stack 5x each time, then with the values on his current profile multiplied by 5 at least 2 times, he would fodderize Yamamoto. So, we should wait for the next cour.

Not too long ago, we had tier 4-C God tiers.

Yeah, doesn't sound the most usual to me but if we agreed to do thing that way, then let's wait

 

[Crobatman44]

We already have manga scaling, why would it change so badly with the anime release?
I'm not too much into Bleach here on the forum, so tell me: this happened before?

There's the new eyepatchless Kenpachi scaling which might lead to some funny stuff (tho tbh that upgrade has led to so much goonery so im kinda not that happy with it.)

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

By the way, the fight between Uryu and Senju in the next cour might elevate all the Schutzstaffel to 4-A.

I hope it happens like this

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

bump

 

[Random-Helper323]

That Mid-Godly justification blog does seem to have some minor problems. Firstly it uses anime only scans, and secondly it includes Ichibei in the statement where they couldn't kill Aizen, even though Ichibei wasn't helping them or interacting with them in any way during that time.

The fact that Aizen apparently can't be killed with Haien or Yamamoto's flames does still sound like Mid-Godly to me given the nature of soul hax in Bleach, but Ichibei being included there seems like a bit of a leap to me.

Also, wouldn't regenerating from Ichibei erasing the concept of his existence in the flow of souls arguably be High-Godly?

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Also, wouldn't regenerating from Ichibei erasing the concept of his existence in the flow of souls arguably be High-Godly?

As far as I know, Yhwach already had High Godly Regen in the past. Maybe it will be added again in the future

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

bump

 

[Random-Helper323]

As far as I know, Yhwach already had High Godly Regen in the past. Maybe it will be added again in the future

I suppose Yhwach did recreate the concept of his being Yhwach.

Anyway, in regards to this thread, Yamamoto's existence erasure would come attached to soul hax, making it arguably fatal to anything shy of mid-godly, but there is of course another factor, that being resisting having the soul erased via resistance to that soul hax.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

bump

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I suppose Yhwach did recreate the concept of his being Yhwach.

Anyway, in regards to this thread, Yamamoto's existence erasure would come attached to soul hax, making it arguably fatal to anything shy of mid-godly, but there is of course another factor, that being resisting having the soul erased via resistance to that soul hax.

Who should I register your vote against?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Who should I register your vote against?

Yamamoto was a match for approximately 1 3rd of base Yhwach's power, so we'd need to know how Gerard compares to that. I'd figure within Bleach, even if it's erasure vs defence and regen, whichever one has the superior spiritual power will be the one who wins that exchange. Gerard and the rest of Yhwach's guard being so vague is part of why it's hard to be sure how Kenpachi, Byakuya and Toshiro compare to Squad Zero.

 

[Crobatman44]

I'll post my thoughts here,in general this Match should only be done all the way post cour 4 after all the revisions for the scaling are done.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

If there are some changes in this match after the other cours are over, a rematch can be made.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Remember that the end of the manga was cut dramatically short, so we're probably going to see a lot more of Gerard and the rest of Yhwach's guard in the final part of the anime.

 

[Crobatman44]

Remember that the end of the manga was cut dramatically short, so we're probably going to see a lot more of Gerard and the rest of Yhwach's guard in the final part of the anime.

Im expecting the one's who will get a lot more content are Askin/Gerard/Jugram/Yhwach since after Lille went down Kubo suddendly shifted the fight formula we had before.