Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[DaReaperMan]

tbh i wouldn't give af about those meetings either. i didn't die and go to hell just to go through more meetings in the afterlife who tf do they think i am???

Vox also doesn't care about being respected by the other Overlords, or at least if he does, we never see it.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Would you want to try your luck in a second 1v1 if you nearly lost last time?

If you say "I'm gonna show who is REALLY in charge of things NOW!" right after you were accused of being pissed off to nearly losing, it means that you go and fight and show who is tougher shit. Unless, of course, Val was not talking about fight, which is my point.

Also, Alastor heavily implied Vox didn't have very much power on the front of influence without Valentino and Velvette to back him up. Which is kind of true, he, along with the other vees, have to adapt, while most of the other Overlords don't.

In case you accept that "he almost beat you that time" as a physical fight, why don't you accept "Is Vox as strong as he purports" as physical too? Kinda double standards just to make Al look weak.

I dunno that's just what I read his body language as(making sure he was neat when before he wasn't, etc)

This scene has a lot of interpretations tbf.

Alastor's attention was on Zestial at least, considering he was dicking around the rest of the time.

Yeah, Alastor clearly does respect him and it can put Zestial presumably comparable, but not just outright stronger because reasons for respect can be smth else outside of raw power

Huh, thought that was kept, shows you how much I keep track of these profiles.

Iirc it was deleted because the link was dead or smth.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

I mean you just heard a guy you know is highly intelligent and dangerous basically say he's got bigger plans then ever and repeat the first part of your song you thought you sung to yourself back at you, I'd be at least nervous if that happened to me.

He was ******** bricks the moment he heard alastor was back.

Thing is, unlike most of the other notable Overlords, Zestial has no shown, stated, or even implied realm of influence, which would also throw him into the pure power boat for why he's an Overlord. Also see above.

Wasn't it because he's the oldest overlord

If you don't make yourself respectable, especially with a group including folks like Zestial and Carmilla who are both extremely uptight, you're not getting any respect unless you literally force it with sheer power, and the only one of the Vess who might be able to do that doesn't actually care about those meetings in the first place

He probably is one of the stronger overlords since he's the only one other than Alastor that's capable of using magic, whether he actually scales to or above alastor is the problem. I have no issues scaling him to vox tho. But we need to wait for more elaboration before making profiles for zestial cause he's got 0 feats

 

[DaReaperMan]

If you say "I'm gonna show who is REALLY in charge of things NOW!" right after you were accused of being pissed off to nearly losing, it means that you go and fight and show who is tougher shit. Unless, of course, Val was not talking about fight, which is my point.

The point was bringing the fight to basically your homefield advantage is a much smarter thing to do then trying to go 1v1 a guy who supposedly almost beat you last time.

In case you accept that "he almost beat you that time" as a physical fight, why don't you accept "Is Vox as strong as he purports" as physical too? Kinda double standards just to make Al look weak.

"Is Vox as strong as he purports, or is it based on his support? Hed be powerless without the other vees!" Is the full quote on the matter. Remember, Vox has to mind control people in order to keep things clean just before this song started, and throughout that entire song we see that Alastor completely steamrolls Vox in terms of influence and control, literally everyone going to check the radio instead of Vox's television. And this is after a 4-year disappearance, Vox has had all that time to get more influence and control, and the instant Alastor enters the stage again he lost it on the spot.

I find it doubtful that with those kinds of showings, Alastor was referring to strength there.

Also, make Al look weak, really? The number of people scaling here(with profiles) can be counted on one hand.

1. Alastor
2. Beelzebub
3. Mammon
4. Vox

And remember, I had to be convinced to have Vox scale in AP/SS lol

This scene has a lot of interpretations tbf.

Yeah, Alastor clearly does respect him and it can put Zestial presumably comparable, but not just outright stronger because reasons for respect can be smth else outside of raw power

Yeah that's 100% fine, we'd need more info to really say one is stronger than the other

Iirc it was deleted because the link was dead or smth.

L RIP Bozo Charlie I guess lol

He was ******** bricks the moment he heard alastor was back.

Mate, Vox was ******** bricks after Alastor trashed him on his own home turf(That being TV and popularity), before that, Vox was apsolutely furious and confident.

Wasn't it because he's the oldest overlord

"Beware the Old Man in a profession where men usually die young" as they say.

He probably is one of the stronger overlords since he's the only one other than Alastor that's capable of using magic, whether he actually scales to or above alastor is the problem. I have no issues scaling him to vox tho. But we need to wait for more elaboration before making profiles for zestial cause he's got 0 feats

I mean, I already said I don't think Zestial should have a profile, he'd be extremely barebones to say the least lol

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Vox was ******** bricks after Alastor trashed him on his own home turf(That being TV and popularity), before that, Vox was apsolutely furious and confident.

vox was mad alastor nearly beat him “that time” I’m still VERY iffy on whether vox is superior to alastor, that’s my main problem since the pilot states alastor is the strongest sinner. Obviously vsbw can’t accept our headcanons for this, but it’s very easy to assume that alastor only lost on technicality rather than vox pulling a sukuna and hitting alastor last minute

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The point was bringing the fight to basically your homefield advantage is a much smarter thing to do then trying to go 1v1 a guy who supposedly almost beat you last time.

Where was that even stated or implied? All we see Vox is simply blackmailing Alastor (and failing lmfao), which is consistent with my premise that Val was yapping about the popularity. Also, their whole deal is about popularity as seen in comic where Al curses at him due to TV taking over in popularity, and then Vox accidentally returning Al's radio-influence back despite wanting to do quite the opposite lmao.

"Is Vox as strong as he purports, or is it based on his support? Hed be powerless without the other vees!" Is the full quote on the matter. Remember, Vox has to mind control people in order to keep things clean just before this song started, and throughout that entire song we see that Alastor completely steamrolls Vox in terms of influence and control, literally everyone going to check the radio instead of Vox's television. And this is after a 4-year disappearance, Vox has had all that time to get more influence and control, and the instant Alastor enters the stage again he lost it on the spot. I find it doubtful that with those kinds of showings, Alastor was referring to strength there.

7-year disappearance, and I do agree that Al was yapping about popularity and influence here. However, if we're assuming about Val meant that Alastor nearly won the physical fight, then it can easily be intepreted as a comment on that fight, as it is what pisses Vox off (that fight that Alastor almost won)

Also, make Al look weak, really?

I mean, he's supposedly most powerful Overlord. He cleared all of Overlords who ruled for centuries in the first ******* day, while Sinners become stronger with deals. This is far more impressive and stronger than anything anyone has shown in the series. I'm also planning to change the whole "Alastor did not harm Adam" thing too.

The number of people scaling here(with profiles) can be counted on one hand.

1. Alastor
2. Beelzebub
3. Mammon
4. Vox

And remember, I had to be convinced to have Vox scale in AP/SS lol

I don't really think Vox would scale in AP to it, only Alastor and those above would in AP due to being supposedly able to harm him, and also in Dura due to being superior to Vox.

Yeah that's 100% fine, we'd need more info to really say one is stronger than the other

Alright, though I'd still say Al is stronger due to him at least having feats and much better statements, but the gap is just not big.

L RIP Bozo Charlie I guess lol

LOL

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

vox was mad alastor nearly beat him “that time” I’m still VERY iffy on whether vox is superior to alastor, that’s my main problem since the pilot states alastor is the strongest sinner.

W, how could I forget about that.

Obviously vsbw can’t accept our headcanons for this, but it’s very easy to assume that alastor only lost on technicality rather than vox pulling a sukuna and hitting alastor last minute

The thing is "almost beat you that time" has no grounds of talking about physical fight, and it talking about popularity fight is far more consistent and makes sense in the given context. Like Alastor almost beating Vox in popularity and then suddenly disappearing for 7 years, so now Vox wants to show who is really in charge of things now (he fails).

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

The thing is "almost beat you that time" has no grounds of talking about physical fight, and it talking about popularity fight is far more consistent and makes sense in the given context. Like Alastor almost beating Vox in popularity and then suddenly disappearing for 7 years, so now Vox wants to show who is really in charge of things now (he fails).

Yeah but vsbw doesn't work like that, so until season 2 confirms our 100% accurate ideas. We have to submit

 

[DaReaperMan]

vox was mad alastor nearly beat him “that time” I’m still VERY iffy on whether vox is superior to alastor, that’s my main problem since the pilot states alastor is the strongest sinner. Obviously vsbw can’t accept our headcanons for this, but it’s very easy to assume that alastor only lost on technicality rather than vox pulling a sukuna and hitting alastor last minute

Where in the seven circles of hell did Vox upscaling in AP come from??? No they'd apsolutely be comparable until further information is given about that conflict. Or if they fight in season 2 I guess.

Where was that even stated or implied? All we see Vox is simply blackmailing Alastor (and failing lmfao), which is consistent with my premise that Val was yapping about the popularity. Also, their whole deal is about popularity as seen in comic where Al curses at him due to TV taking over in popularity, and then Vox accidentally returning Al's radio-influence back despite wanting to do quite the opposite lmao.

7-year disappearance, and I do agree that Al was yapping about popularity and influence here. However, if we're assuming about Val meant that Alastor nearly won the physical fight, then it can easily be intepreted as a comment on that fight, as it is what pisses Vox off (that fight that Alastor almost won)

Either way they either fought or they didn't, because if they didn't, Alastor doesn't have a reason to scale to Vox's Durability. It's the possibility they didn't why I was pushing for "likely High 7-C" for Alastor anyways, and then Vox's AP/SS to Alastor. Or it's Alastor. He could very easily be lying or twisting the truth to get a rise out of Vox.

I mean, he's supposedly most powerful Overlord. He cleared all of Overlords who ruled for centuries in the first ******* day, while Sinners become stronger with deals. This is far more impressive and stronger than anything anyone has shown in the series. I'm also planning to change the whole "Alastor did not harm Adam" thing too.

its vague to be sure, but definitely should be noted. Its actually part of why so very few are actually scaling to Alastor here, with only Zestial and Vox being at all comparable(Physically, should be noted. If Alastor gets what I note below, they wouldn't scale.) And The Seven Deadly being Superior(They would scale above his AP, so their tiering would be 'At least High 7-C, at most 7-A')

As for scaling to Adam, I'd list it as 'at most 7-A' and only for AP(not SS or Durability) for reasons of Alastor didn't do it physically lol

I don't really think Vox would scale in AP to it, only Alastor and those above would in AP due to being supposedly able to harm him, and also in Dura due to being superior to Vox.

I mean if they fought they'd probably have to be able to harm eachother, and Vox doesn't have any shown methods of attacking beyond pure physicality.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Here's the Sugar on the cream, Vox asked me to scale to his team.

We have an accepted calc of Vox creating a blackout in episode 2 of Hazbin Hotel at 146.88 Kilotons We also have another accepted calc of Vox's of him making a power outage, making this consistent for vox. So who'd scale: Vox would at least scale in durability via it being shown in the scene...

vsbattles.com

Also here guys

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yeah but vsbw doesn't work like that, so until season 2 confirms our 100% accurate ideas. We have to submit

Pretty sure if I just bring in my args well in the CRT it'll get accepted

Either way they either fought or they didn't, because if they didn't, Alastor doesn't have a reason to scale to Vox's Durability.

He kinda has the reason to scale straightly due to being the strongest sinner as said in pilots.

It's the possibility they didn't why I was pushing for "likely High 7-C" for Alastor anyways, and then Vox's AP/SS to Alastor. Or it's Alastor. He could very easily be lying or twisting the truth to get a rise out of Vox.

The Vs smirked, confirming his yappery.

its vague to be sure, but definitely should be noted. Its actually part of why so very few are actually scaling to Alastor here, with only Zestial and Vox being at all comparable(Physically, should be noted. If Alastor gets what I note below, they wouldn't scale.) And The Seven Deadly being Superior(They would scale above his AP, so their tiering would be 'At least High 7-C, at most 7-A')

As for scaling to Adam, I'd list it as 'at most 7-A' and only for AP(not SS or Durability) for reasons of Alastor didn't do it physically lol

Yeah Alastor definitely does not scale physically to that shadow attack. My plan was "Low 7-C physically (or whatever it will change to via Vox scaling), at most 7-A with most potent attacks"

I mean if they fought they'd probably have to be able to harm eachother, and Vox doesn't have any shown methods of attacking beyond pure physicality.

Electricity vs. tentancles?

 

[ShionAH]

Does anyone know how much heat Adam needed to vaporize Sir Pentious? I asked Chat GPT he told me its 3500 C

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I wanted to make a crt removing the "fallen angel" part of demonic physiology, since well, becoming one doesn't seem to make you a demon, like Vaggie who from what I remember she didn't demonstrate properties of a demon like having a transformation.

But I don't care enough.

 

[SlendVeny]

i feel like all the overlords seeing all the Vs as a bunch of clowns in spite of them being overlords, unlike alastor who is at the very least vaguely respected despite his disappearance, is a bit better proof than that.

Well, that's just because they're inane and uninformed, smug wannabes who don't heed when they've been warned.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Pretty sure if I just bring in my args well in the CRT it'll get accepted

He kinda has the reason to scale straightly due to being the strongest sinner as said in pilots.

Yes. STRONGEST. Not most durable, not the fastest, but Strongest. Not only do I actively doubt that statement is there(The Pilot only really goes into any detail on him ******* up many of the previous Overlords), but the statement wouldn't even scale him to Vox's Durability

The Vs smirked, confirming his yappery.

Or they smirked because their boss just got burned and that is frankly funny.

Electricity vs. tentancles?

Vox isn't shown to be able to do offensive electricity, it's mostly movement for him From what we've seen

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yes. STRONGEST. Not most durable, not the fastest, but Strongest. Not only do I actively doubt that statement is there(The Pilot only really goes into any detail on him ******* up many of the previous Overlords), but the statement wouldn't even scale him to Vox's Durability

Being strongest would imply being capable of damaging Vox, no?

Or they smirked because their boss just got burned and that is frankly funny.

They don’t really give a shit about the whole song judging by their expressions, they only smirk after he says “he’d be powerless without the other Vs”

Vox isn't shown to be able to do offensive electricity, it's mostly movement for him From what we've seen

Fair enough, although Alastor on the other hand is more Summoning type guy.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Being strongest would imply being capable of damaging Vox, no?

I mean if neither can do shit to the other, the one who's stronger would get called the strongest because a Stonewall can't do much

They don’t really give a shit about the whole song judging by their expressions, they only smirk after he says “he’d be powerless without the other Vs”

Probably because trying to get at Alastor is Vox's thing, not theirs.

Regardless this show is full of different interpretations on things, we could probably argue until the end of time lol

Fair enough, although Alastor on the other hand is more Summoning type guy.

Alastor does summon a lot yeah.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I mean if neither can do shit to the other, the one who's stronger would get called the strongest because a Stonewall can't do much

Not really? If Vox’s durability > Alastor’s AP and Dura >= Vox’s AP, then it would make Vox strongest.

Probably because trying to get at Alastor is Vox's thing, not theirs.

True, and logically if Al’s statement was not true, they would continue not giving a shit.

Regardless this show is full of different interpretations on things, we could probably argue until the end of time lol

Not as full as FNaF plot tho
But yeah agreed on this one

Alastor does summon a lot yeah.

Yeah, which is why I doubt he would get physical with Vox even if they did indeed fights. His fights against Pentious were about not even getting him near and he implies that he generally does not allow people to do that (“Not many people managed to get even that much off me!”), and against Adam his tactics was literally “spam-summon and dodge”. He is not the guy to fight H2H or physically.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Not really? If Vox’s durability > Alastor’s AP and Dura >= Vox’s AP, then it would make Vox strongest.

Why would Vox's AP scale to Alastor if they didn't fight?

Yeah, which is why I doubt he would get physical with Vox even if they did indeed fights. His fights against Pentious were about not even getting him near and he implies that he generally does not allow people to do that (“Not many people managed to get even that much off me!”), and against Adam his tactics was literally “spam-summon and dodge”. He is not the guy to fight H2H or physically.

He does when he's particularly pissed off...(See I think Episode 5) and Vox drives him up the damn wall, and even if they didn't exchange blows, Alastor's hentai tentacles scale to him so Vox could have easily been damaging those. Remember, Vox narrowly won, as in their fight was damn close but Alastor was forced to retreat for whatever reason.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Why would Vox's AP scale to Alastor if they didn't fight?

They both upscale from Sir Pentious?

He does when he's particularly pissed off...(See I think Episode 5)

That was just to show-off how he is a cool and menacing Radio Demon, and those guys were literally nobodies-fodders in his eyes, while Vox is still an Overlord.

and Vox drives him up the damn wall, and even if they didn't exchange blows, Alastor's hentai tentacles scale to him so Vox could have easily been damaging those. Remember, Vox narrowly won, as in their fight was damn close but Alastor was forced to retreat for whatever reason.

Why does Alastor scale to his tentacles? Also hentai

 

[DaReaperMan]

They both upscale from Sir Pentious?

Vox is upscaling from Angel Dust Via being capable of threatening Valentino, Alastor is upscaling from making Husk, someone who by WoG is stronger than Angel Dust, completely terrified the instant he gets pissy with him. There's a pretty large scaling gap there.

That was just to show-off how he is a cool and menacing Radio Demon, and those guys were literally nobodies-fodders in his eyes, while Vox is still an Overlord.

and Vox in his eyes is a "Obnoxious...pompous......piece of shit...television." I don't think he thinks very highly of the man in any regard

Why does Alastor scale to his tentacles? Also hentai

I dunno, maybe because he uses them as an extention of himself basically any time we see them outside the pilot

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Vox is upscaling from Angel Dust Via being capable of threatening Valentino, Alastor is upscaling from making Husk, someone who by WoG is stronger than Angel Dust, completely terrified the instant he gets pissy with him. There's a pretty large scaling gap there.

I don’t really agree with anything here. First of all, both Valentino and Alastor literally own Angel Dust and Husk’s souls respectively and thus can tear their souls apart as Alastor said (I’ll remove “possibly Soul Rupture” too btw because again he literally owns his soul and thus included in Soul Manip via deal). Secondly, I think they should both upscale from them because hierarchy blah blah blah.

and Vox in his eyes is a "Obnoxious...pompous......piece of shit...television." I don't think he thinks very highly of the man in any regard

He hates television and Vox indeed, but he doesn’t see him as a fodder unlike Sir Pentious who despite being supposed to be an annoying threat to Alastor and Hotel is literally “Forgettable experience” for Alastor.

I dunno, maybe because he uses them as an extention of himself basically any time we see them outside the pilot

Elaborate? MB if I’m a little stupid here, but I don’t understand. He simply summons tentacles, but it’s not like they are part of his actual normal body.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don’t really agree with anything here. First of all, both Valentino and Alastor literally own Angel Dust and Husk’s souls respectively and thus can tear their souls apart as Alastor said (I’ll remove “possibly Soul Rupture” too btw because again he literally owns his soul and thus included in Soul Manip via deal). Secondly, I think they should both upscale from them because hierarchy blah blah blah.

That doesn't mean they aren't just blatantly physically stronger then them, they pretty much are, especially in Valentino's case that man regularly overpowers Angel.

He hates television and Vox indeed, but he doesn’t see him as a fodder unlike Sir Pentious who despite being supposed to be an annoying threat to Alastor and Hotel is literally “Forgettable experience” for Alastor.

your dancing between Alastor thinks Vox is fodder(That he's powerless) and that Alastor thinks Vox is worth being at least aware of, pick one.

Elaborate? MB if I’m a little stupid here, but I don’t understand. He simply summons tentacles, but it’s not like they are part of his actual normal body.

Alastor often sprouts tentacles from his back when he's serious, such as in his fight with Adam or Episode 5

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

That doesn't mean they aren't just blatantly physically stronger then them, they pretty much are, especially in Valentino's case that man regularly overpowers Angel.

True (not sure about blatantness of Alastor-Husk), but again, Hierarchy thing would put them above both anyway.

your dancing between Alastor thinks Vox is fodder(That he's powerless) and that Alastor thinks Vox is worth being at least aware of, pick one.

Powerless is an overestimation from Alastor. To make it clear, what I meant is that if we accept Valentino referring to “almost beating Vox that time” as a physical fight, then Alastor’s implication is that Vs did help Vox in that fight. Alastor clearly does not see Vox as an absolute fodder like Sir Pentious though.

Alastor often sprouts tentacles from his back when he's serious, such as in his fight with Adam or Episode 5

Okay, makes sense now then.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Powerless is an overestimation from Alastor. To make it clear, what I meant is that if we accept Valentino referring to “almost beating Vox that time” as a physical fight, then Alastor’s implication is that Vs did help Vox in that fight. Alastor clearly does not see Vox as an absolute fodder like Sir Pentious though.

so he can't be trusted more then he already can't be trusted. If he's overestimating things like this we probably shouldn't just take it to be fine to trust his word.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

so he can't be trusted more then he already can't be trusted. If he's overestimating things like this we probably shouldn't just take it to be fine to trust his word.

Again, the reason why it is true to some extent (aka Vs helping Vox in a fight) is due to their smirk. Vox is obviously not literally powerless without the Vs.

Anyways, as I said, both “almost beat you that time” and “he’d be powerless without the other Vs” are talking about popularity and influence. I guess it’s better to continue this in a CRT which I’ll make soon cuz I feel we will remain at our opinions on this subject and I’m too lazy to write an essay of detailed analysis of Val’s statement and its context I’m planning to write too.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Again, the reason why it is true to some extent (aka Vs helping Vox in a fight) is due to their smirk. Vox is obviously not literally powerless without the Vs.

Anyways, as I said, both “almost beat you that time” and “he’d be powerless without the other Vs” are talking about popularity and influence. I guess it’s better to continue this in a CRT which I’ll make soon cuz I feel we will remain at our opinions on this subject and I’m too lazy to write an essay of detailed analysis of Val’s statement and its context I’m planning to write too.

TBH we're revising them to just scale to eachother anyway, that is straight up the safest bet when it comes to scaling that is as screwed up as this

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

TBH we're revising them to just scale to eachother anyway, that is straight up the safest bet when it comes to scaling that is as screwed up as this

I can see it being the easiest solution, but easiest does not make it right one.
I think Season 2 will clear all those Alastor debatable topics since I heard his backstory will be an important part of the plot.

 

[Alexander]

I only know this series for three months because i wanted to make a fanfic about it

 

[SlendVeny]

I only know this series for three months because i wanted to make a fanfic about it

what

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

You know. My stupid ahh self just realised that the reason why Adam was so strong was because he’s the angel equivalent to Lilith.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Also has anyone read the news captions for stayed gone, its funny

 

[Alexander]

what

You read it right

 

[SlendVeny]

You read it right

I know

 

[Alexander]

By the way, what is the proof that heaven and hell are in the same place

 

[DaReaperMan]

By the way, what is the proof that heaven and hell are in the same place

Maybe watch the sky box whenever we're in pride ring and you'll see something white and glowing in the sky. THAT AIN'T NO SUN.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It's kind of strange for heaven to be represented this way, considering that all of hell is one dimension and it seems like heaven is inside hell.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

It's kind of strange for heaven to be represented this way, considering that all of hell is one dimension and it seems like heaven is inside hell.

we see from heavens perspective hell is also another planet.

 

[Alexander]

Maybe watch the sky box whenever we're in pride ring and you'll see something white and glowing in the sky. THAT AIN'T NO SUN.

I think that is just for aesthetic reasons, it is possible that the distance between the two is big enough to the point the only way to get there is with portals

 

[Alexander]

we see from heavens perspective hell is also another planet.

except hell is a different dimensión from Earth and not a planet, unless hell and heaven are planets in this universe