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Vox also doesn't care about being respected by the other Overlords, or at least if he does, we never see it.
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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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If you say "I'm gonna show who is REALLY in charge of things NOW!" right after you were accused of being pissed off to nearly losing, it means that you go and fight and show who is tougher shit. Unless, of course, Val was not talking about fight, which is my point.
In case you accept that "he almost beat you that time" as a physical fight, why don't you accept "Is Vox as strong as he purports" as physical too? Kinda double standards just to make Al look weak.
This scene has a lot of interpretations tbf.
Yeah, Alastor clearly does respect him and it can put Zestial presumably comparable, but not just outright stronger because reasons for respect can be smth else outside of raw power
Iirc it was deleted because the link was dead or smth.
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He was ******** bricks the moment he heard alastor was back.
Wasn't it because he's the oldest overlord
He probably is one of the stronger overlords since he's the only one other than Alastor that's capable of using magic, whether he actually scales to or above alastor is the problem. I have no issues scaling him to vox tho. But we need to wait for more elaboration before making profiles for zestial cause he's got 0 feats
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The point was bringing the fight to basically your homefield advantage is a much smarter thing to do then trying to go 1v1 a guy who supposedly almost beat you last time.
"Is Vox as strong as he purports, or is it based on his support? Hed be powerless without the other vees!" Is the full quote on the matter. Remember, Vox has to mind control people in order to keep things clean just before this song started, and throughout that entire song we see that Alastor completely steamrolls Vox in terms of influence and control, literally everyone going to check the radio instead of Vox's television. And this is after a 4-year disappearance, Vox has had all that time to get more influence and control, and the instant Alastor enters the stage again he lost it on the spot.
I find it doubtful that with those kinds of showings, Alastor was referring to strength there.
Also, make Al look weak, really? The number of people scaling here(with profiles) can be counted on one hand.
- Alastor
- Beelzebub
- Mammon
- Vox
Yeah that's 100% fine, we'd need more info to really say one is stronger than the other
L RIP Bozo Charlie I guess lol
Mate, Vox was ******** bricks after Alastor trashed him on his own home turf(That being TV and popularity), before that, Vox was apsolutely furious and confident.
"Beware the Old Man in a profession where men usually die young" as they say.
I mean, I already said I don't think Zestial should have a profile, he'd be extremely barebones to say the least lol
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vox was mad alastor nearly beat him “that time” I’m still VERY iffy on whether vox is superior to alastor, that’s my main problem since the pilot states alastor is the strongest sinner. Obviously vsbw can’t accept our headcanons for this, but it’s very easy to assume that alastor only lost on technicality rather than vox pulling a sukuna and hitting alastor last minute
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Where was that even stated or implied? All we see Vox is simply blackmailing Alastor (and failing lmfao), which is consistent with my premise that Val was yapping about the popularity. Also, their whole deal is about popularity as seen in comic where Al curses at him due to TV taking over in popularity, and then Vox accidentally returning Al's radio-influence back despite wanting to do quite the opposite lmao.
7-year disappearance, and I do agree that Al was yapping about popularity and influence here. However, if we're assuming about Val meant that Alastor nearly won the physical fight, then it can easily be intepreted as a comment on that fight, as it is what pisses Vox off (that fight that Alastor almost won)
I mean, he's supposedly most powerful Overlord. He cleared all of Overlords who ruled for centuries in the first ******* day, while Sinners become stronger with deals. This is far more impressive and stronger than anything anyone has shown in the series.
I don't really think Vox would scale in AP to it, only Alastor and those above would in AP due to being supposedly able to harm him, and also in Dura due to being superior to Vox.
Alright, though I'd still say Al is stronger due to him at least having feats and much better statements, but the gap is just not big.
LOL
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W, how could I forget about that.
The thing is "almost beat you that time" has no grounds of talking about physical fight, and it talking about popularity fight is far more consistent and makes sense in the given context. Like Alastor almost beating Vox in popularity and then suddenly disappearing for 7 years, so now Vox wants to show who is really in charge of things now (he fails).
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Yeah but vsbw doesn't work like that, so until season 2 confirms our 100% accurate ideas. We have to submit
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Where in the seven circles of hell did Vox upscaling in AP come from??? No they'd apsolutely be comparable until further information is given about that conflict. Or if they fight in season 2 I guess.
Either way they either fought or they didn't, because if they didn't, Alastor doesn't have a reason to scale to Vox's Durability. It's the possibility they didn't why I was pushing for "likely High 7-C" for Alastor anyways, and then Vox's AP/SS to Alastor. Or it's Alastor. He could very easily be lying or twisting the truth to get a rise out of Vox.
its vague to be sure, but definitely should be noted. Its actually part of why so very few are actually scaling to Alastor here, with only Zestial and Vox being at all comparable(Physically, should be noted. If Alastor gets what I note below, they wouldn't scale.) And The Seven Deadly being Superior(They would scale above his AP, so their tiering would be 'At least High 7-C, at most 7-A')
As for scaling to Adam, I'd list it as 'at most 7-A' and only for AP(not SS or Durability) for reasons of Alastor didn't do it physically lol
I mean if they fought they'd probably have to be able to harm eachother, and Vox doesn't have any shown methods of attacking beyond pure physicality.
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Here's the Sugar on the cream, Vox asked me to scale to his team.
We have an accepted calc of Vox creating a blackout in episode 2 of Hazbin Hotel at 146.88 Kilotons We also have another accepted calc of Vox's of him making a power outage, making this consistent for vox. So who'd scale: Vox would at least scale in durability via it being shown in the scene...
Also here guys
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Pretty sure if I just bring in my args well in the CRT it'll get accepted
He kinda has the reason to scale straightly due to being the strongest sinner as said in pilots.
The Vs smirked, confirming his yappery.
Yeah Alastor definitely does not scale physically to that shadow attack. My plan was "Low 7-C physically (or whatever it will change to via Vox scaling), at most 7-A with most potent attacks"
Electricity vs. tentancles?
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I wanted to make a crt removing the "fallen angel" part of demonic physiology, since well, becoming one doesn't seem to make you a demon, like Vaggie who from what I remember she didn't demonstrate properties of a demon like having a transformation.
But I don't care enough.
But I don't care enough.
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Well, that's just because they're inane and uninformed, smug wannabes who don't heed when they've been warned.
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Yes. STRONGEST. Not most durable, not the fastest, but Strongest. Not only do I actively doubt that statement is there(The Pilot only really goes into any detail on him ******* up many of the previous Overlords), but the statement wouldn't even scale him to Vox's Durability
Or they smirked because their boss just got burned and that is frankly funny.
Vox isn't shown to be able to do offensive electricity, it's mostly movement for him From what we've seen
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Being strongest would imply being capable of damaging Vox, no?
They don’t really give a shit about the whole song judging by their expressions, they only smirk after he says “he’d be powerless without the other Vs”
Fair enough, although Alastor on the other hand is more Summoning type guy.
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I mean if neither can do shit to the other, the one who's stronger would get called the strongest because a Stonewall can't do much
Probably because trying to get at Alastor is Vox's thing, not theirs.
Regardless this show is full of different interpretations on things, we could probably argue until the end of time lol
Alastor does summon a lot yeah.
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Not really? If Vox’s durability > Alastor’s AP and Dura >= Vox’s AP, then it would make Vox strongest.
True, and logically if Al’s statement was not true, they would continue not giving a shit.
But yeah agreed on this one
Yeah, which is why I doubt he would get physical with Vox even if they did indeed fights. His fights against Pentious were about not even getting him near and he implies that he generally does not allow people to do that (“Not many people managed to get even that much off me!”), and against Adam his tactics was literally “spam-summon and dodge”. He is not the guy to fight H2H or physically.
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Why would Vox's AP scale to Alastor if they didn't fight?
He does when he's particularly pissed off...(See I think Episode 5) and Vox drives him up the damn wall, and even if they didn't exchange blows, Alastor's hentai tentacles scale to him so Vox could have easily been damaging those. Remember, Vox narrowly won, as in their fight was damn close but Alastor was forced to retreat for whatever reason.
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They both upscale from Sir Pentious?
That was just to show-off how he is a cool and menacing Radio Demon, and those guys were literally nobodies-fodders in his eyes, while Vox is still an Overlord.
Why does Alastor scale to his tentacles?
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Vox is upscaling from Angel Dust Via being capable of threatening Valentino, Alastor is upscaling from making Husk, someone who by WoG is stronger than Angel Dust, completely terrified the instant he gets pissy with him. There's a pretty large scaling gap there.
and Vox in his eyes is a "Obnoxious...pompous......piece of shit...television." I don't think he thinks very highly of the man in any regard
I dunno, maybe because he uses them as an extention of himself basically any time we see them outside the pilotWhy does Alastor scale to his tentacles?Also hentai
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I don’t really agree with anything here. First of all, both Valentino and Alastor literally own Angel Dust and Husk’s souls respectively and thus can tear their souls apart as Alastor said (I’ll remove “possibly Soul Rupture” too btw because again he literally owns his soul and thus included in Soul Manip via deal). Secondly, I think they should both upscale from them because hierarchy blah blah blah.
He hates television and Vox indeed, but he doesn’t see him as a fodder unlike Sir Pentious who despite being supposed to be an annoying threat to Alastor and Hotel is literally “Forgettable experience” for Alastor.
Elaborate? MB if I’m a little stupid here, but I don’t understand. He simply summons tentacles, but it’s not like they are part of his actual normal body.
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That doesn't mean they aren't just blatantly physically stronger then them, they pretty much are, especially in Valentino's case that man regularly overpowers Angel.
your dancing between Alastor thinks Vox is fodder(That he's powerless) and that Alastor thinks Vox is worth being at least aware of, pick one.
Alastor often sprouts tentacles from his back when he's serious, such as in his fight with Adam or Episode 5
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True (not sure about blatantness of Alastor-Husk), but again, Hierarchy thing would put them above both anyway.
Powerless is an overestimation from Alastor. To make it clear, what I meant is that if we accept Valentino referring to “almost beating Vox that time” as a physical fight, then Alastor’s implication is that Vs did help Vox in that fight. Alastor clearly does not see Vox as an absolute fodder like Sir Pentious though.
Okay, makes sense now then.
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so he can't be trusted more then he already can't be trusted. If he's overestimating things like this we probably shouldn't just take it to be fine to trust his word.
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Again, the reason why it is true to some extent (aka Vs helping Vox in a fight) is due to their smirk. Vox is obviously not literally powerless without the Vs.
Anyways, as I said, both “almost beat you that time” and “he’d be powerless without the other Vs” are talking about popularity and influence. I guess it’s better to continue this in a CRT which I’ll make soon cuz I feel we will remain at our opinions on this subject
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TBH we're revising them to just scale to eachother anyway, that is straight up the safest bet when it comes to scaling that is as screwed up as this
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I can see it being the easiest solution, but easiest does not make it right one.
I think Season 2 will clear all those Alastor debatable topics since I heard his backstory will be an important part of the plot.
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what
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You know. My stupid ahh self just realised that the reason why Adam was so strong was because he’s the angel equivalent to Lilith.
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Also has anyone read the news captions for stayed gone, its funny
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You read it right
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I know
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Maybe watch the sky box whenever we're in pride ring and you'll see something white and glowing in the sky. THAT AIN'T NO SUN.
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It's kind of strange for heaven to be represented this way, considering that all of hell is one dimension and it seems like heaven is inside hell.
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we see from heavens perspective hell is also another planet.
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I think that is just for aesthetic reasons, it is possible that the distance between the two is big enough to the point the only way to get there is with portals
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except hell is a different dimensión from Earth and not a planet, unless hell and heaven are planets in this universe
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