God Tier Hazbin Hotel Revisions

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

what happened in it?

STOLAS GOT F*CKED!!!!!! And not in the sex way

 

[ShionAH]

I am planning on making the Hazbin CRT soon for Immortality and Hax

 

[Homie890]

Blitz and Stolas get sued basically lol

This is truly a law moment.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

"Adam sees a random sinner who thinks he's hot shit, starts to fight with him and doesn't take him seriously because he's just a mortal soul, starts to get overwhelmed with all of the tools Alastor has to exploit Adam's cockiness, and Adam gets frustrated enough to launch a serious attack that completely baffles and immobilizes Alastor. That's a pretty simple break down of the fight where it's evident that Adam's cockiness made him not take Alastor seriously at first."

The bolded parts are baseless headcanons.

Your pics demonstrate the middle part of that interpretation. Allow me to do what you did to further validate it by showing Adam's frustration came from him being cocky and getting overwhelmed from it.

He becomes shocked from Alastor dodging his attack since the beginning, all of his frustrated and angry faces are after that. Also cocky doesn't mean holding back. Alastor was pretty cocky not taking Angelic Weapons as well or thinking he can take down Adam alone, is he holding back? No.

The first thing Adam says after mocking Alastor's voice is literally, "You really think you can take me on? A mortal soul is no match for me, edge-lord." He doesn't take Alastor as a serious threat from his own words. It's not a headcanon to reiterate what the character himself is saying.

This does not imply that he holds back or is non-serious at all: that's non-sequitir. He just thinks that he is superior to Alastor, thus being cocky.
By the same logic, Alastor calling himself tougher than Adam implies that he is holding back too.

Yeah, it's because he's holding back. That's not exclusive to Dragon Ball. I could call a staff member here, and they would very likely tell you the same thing. You shouldn't scale a character fighting someone that's holding back to the latter character's full capabilities.

I don't see how durability can drop if you're holding back unless you have specific verse mechanics.

No? They expected the forcefield to work on the Exorcist army, including Adam himself. It would make literally no sense for Charlie to be surprised that the shield failed if they anticipated that Adam could destroy it. It's pretty evident that they underestimated Adam.

This does not mean that forcefield is equal or greaten than Alastor's own durability. Non-sequitir, once again.

Charlie thought Alastor could handle Adam himself, and she was also wrong about that.

And he was indeed handling him before he used light attack which blinded him.

The shield being near or at the peak of Alastor's capabilities and failing because Alastor himself was never a proper match for Adam is a pretty consistent interpretation. Saying the shield is significantly inferior than what Alastor normally outputs (even though the shield being effective as it was makes sense within the scaling) to legitimize Alastor scaling to Adam is completely incoherent.

No? This is again non-sequitir. It can also be that in order to have such a huge ranged forcefield its durability would suffer. Alastor also has no UES nor Non-Physical Energy System, thus you can't say that his forcefield is equal to his tentacles, shadow, or anything. Yet again another headcanon based on fallacious reasoning.

Maybe but Adam's physical feats aren't substantially below those done with his guitar axe.

I'm basing that off what Charlie, half Angel, showed. This should apply to full Angel to the same extent, if not higher.

Like I mentioned, he restrained Charlie, a character stronger than Alastor, wit his bare hands.

Lifting Strength is not Attack Potency, false equivalance. And Alastor's tentacles actually restrained Adam, so your point?

Let's not forget his 7-A feat, which has been the basis for scaling of top tiers and beyond all other current feats, was done by his angelic light.

Not 7-A, as there is no proper evidence of it being vaporization. And prove that Adam's ray beam is same as his shockwave.

My bad. It's not a direct statement, but it's still very much the case. Hell's hierarchy is one that is based on power. Lucifer is stronger than demons like Alastor because angels have dominion over demons (and Charlie has that heritage ofc), and Lucifer is at the top of the hierarchy based on being stronger than the other 7 Deadly Sins despite being one of them, the Sin of Pride. Viv gave the hierarchy which had Lucifer on top,

Charlie is not full Angel.

Charlie and Lillith next, then the 7 Deadly Sins, then the Ars Goetia, and finally we reach the Overlords like Alastor.

Charlie is a unique case. She is up there because she is a princess, a child of King and Queen. Most of hierarchy may be based off power, but Charlie is not necessarily. Don't forget that if that was the case, she would never feat Alastor in the pilot nor would send him to fight Adam to death, if she was really that more powerful than him. And she really showed something in the Full Demon form, and still lost to Adam, with whom Alastor did keep up with before the light blidning attack.

This is consistent with other statements too like Stolas being stronger than Alastor.

Actually, I just rewatched it, Stolas was never confirmed to be stronger, Viv was comparing powers as in abilities (hence why she says "Stolas would be able to subdue his tentacles"). AKA, Stolas wins via Petrification probably.

They're Adam getting annoyed like I said earlier. That reaction is him getting annoyed.

These faces are being mad, annoyed is a very different expression.

Reiterating a sequence of events is not a headcanon; it's a fact. If I say Jotaro dies in Part 6, that's a fact, not a headcanon. A recap of events is not an assumption, so I don't know why you're comparing it to an intentionally outlandish claim.

This is not a recap though, since the holding back thing comes from fallacious reasoning.

We don't see Alastor actually react to Adam's upsized guitar light attack.

That's how Alastor blocked the attack!

It focuses on Alastor looking at Adam mid-speech, then it shows Adam flying up and then doing the attack. Alastor is just holding the snapped halves of his cane.

Yes. Look at his hands now. Imagine that the cane is not broken. Make your conclusions.

He could've easily grabbed his cane with his free hand before Adam made the attack to do something that Adam's attack stopped.

He never saw Adam using ranged attacks, so it is very unlikely and simply is your headcanon.

I don't see why Alastor would've blocked with his cane either when he's never done that and, as we agree, the cane is a conduit for his abilities.

Because when the flashlight goes right into your eyes, your very first instinct is not to dodge it, but block it with bare hands. In Alastor's case, he blocked it with his cane.

His eyes closing could also be from the flash of light after the attack had landed. There's not much clarity on what Alastor was doing off-screen.

We see him closing the eyes, a clear indicator he was blinded.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Guy hates the owl for no reason.

 

[ShionAH]

Lifting Strength is not Attack Potency, false equivalance.

Adam slapped Charlie across the battlefield.

And prove that Adam's ray beam is same as his shockwave.

Wtf, its Holy Light dude.

Like cmon now trying to argue Al downscales is one thing but saying he scales?? Insane

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Adam slapped Charlie across the battlefield.

Sure, but he referred to restraining specifically. I already said that Charlie is inferior to Adam in terms of physicals in OP.

Like cmon now trying to argue Al downscales is one thing but saying he scales?? Insane

What? All I’m saying is that “Adam was holding back” is a baseless headcanon, I don’t know what you’re talking about.

And I’ll recalc Vox’s feat based off Strym’s suggestions soon, so let’s freeze this thread for a while.

 

[ShionAH]

Btw Pride Ring is at the very least a few (2?) million population due to Velvette, if that helps

 

[Eynooh]

bump?

 

[DaReaperMan]

For the record, Orange, you've shit the bed with your Alastor scaling so hard that you got Jinx and Weekly(off-site) to agree on something. Those two have blood feuded since the dinosaurs were ******* on the mountaintops and pretty much never agreed on anything for any verses they shared.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

bump?

No.

For the record, Orange, you've shit the bed with your Alastor scaling so hard that you got Jinx and Weekly(off-site) to agree on something. Those two have blood feuded since the dinosaurs were ******* on the mountaintops and pretty much never agreed on anything for any verses they shared.

Two controversial groups tend to agree on stuff they both see as extreme. Does not mean this something is wrong though. I can probably find lots of never-agreeing people to agree against me by takes such as Bill being above Low 2-C or Goku not being outer.

And it’s not like I’m an insane wanker-fanboy either; I literally said that Season 2 Alastor (aka current Alastor) is the worst-written and the weakest piece of fraud in all of Hellaverse.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

No.

bruh at least do the recalc for the overlords

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

bruh at least do the recalc for the overlords

Ngl why don’t you or anybody else do it. I did not even come up with a recalc, @StrymULTRA did. If it was me, I would probably divide the result to get up to whatever seconds buildings were shown to be off and get much lower result.
So yeah, I genuinely contributed nothing to creating a recalc idea besides, well, making a wrong (re)calc. Just copy what Strym did and give him credit.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Two controversial groups tend to agree on stuff they both see as extreme. Does not mean this something is wrong though. I can probably find lots of never-agreeing people to agree against me by takes such as Bill being above Low 2-C or Goku not being outer.

And it’s not like I’m an insane wanker-fanboy either; I literally said that Season 2 Alastor (aka current Alastor) is the worst-written and the weakest piece of fraud in all of Hellaverse.

Point was that Weekly tends to highball and Jinx tends to lowball

I could go into how Stolas is stated stronger than Alastor via an author statement directly saying so and hell's heirarcy being what it is while Deadly sins(Folks in Adam's ballpark) are much stronger than him... but what's the point?

Alastor has one reason to downscale from Adam in AP alone and TWO reasons to not scale in any way to him anywhere else. The second Adam threw an attack that connected, the "source of Alastor's powers" broke like a twig. And he shattered Alastor's barrier in one punch which is basically a trump card for Al.

Pilot and S1 Alastor is a top-tier. That is, he's a cut above most of the cast and has most of them by the balls when it comes to challenging him... but there are definitely members of the cast well above him, like Adam. You'd have to argue that Alastor's barrier that's treated like a trump card by the entire cast is weaker than he is to try and generate any physical scaling, let alone the tall bird man ******* up the scaling once again.

Also, just saying, it depends on how it's handled for S2. Season 1 Hazbin was mid because it did not know how to slow the **** down until the very end.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

So yeah, I genuinely contributed nothing to creating a recalc idea besides, well, making a wrong (re)calc. Just copy what Strym did and give him credit.

The wrong recalc did basically get the same result as the new recalc, so does it really count as wrong, ya know?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Point was that Weekly tends to highball and Jinx tends to lowball

Good for them, I guess.

I could go into how Stolas is stated stronger than Alastor via an author statement directly saying so and hell's heirarcy being what it is while Deadly sins(Folks in Adam's ballpark) are much stronger than him... but what's the point?

Alastor has one reason to downscale from Adam in AP alone and TWO reasons to not scale in any way to him anywhere else. The second Adam threw an attack that connected, the "source of Alastor's powers" broke like a twig. And he shattered Alastor's barrier in one punch which is basically a trump card for Al.

Pilot and S1 Alastor is a top-tier. That is, he's a cut above most of the cast and has most of them by the balls when it comes to challenging him... but there are definitely members of the cast well above him, like Adam. You'd have to argue that Alastor's barrier that's treated like a trump card by the entire cast is weaker than he is to try and generate any physical scaling, let alone the tall bird man ******* up the scaling once again.

The hell are you talking about? I always had Adam above Alastor in termsn of raw power and physicals, hands down, as he downscales from Lucifer. Alastor's barrier is a trump card due to its size being capable of protecting the entire area — this does not imply Alastor is inferior to it, no. Something being an amplificator/conduit/source of power does not mean it is as durable without UES, which you yourself said many times Hazbin lacks.
Oh, and the infamous Stolas statement, where Vivzie outright compares their abilities and says that's how Stolas wins. Like yeah, no shit, Petrification hard-counters anything Alastor can ever do.
Being above in hierarchy does mean being superior though, albeit unquantiable.

Also, just saying, it depends on how it's handled for S2. Season 1 Hazbin was mid because it did not know how to slow the **** down until the very end.

We've known enough of Season 2 to conclude that Alastor is just ruined. Unless they change the plot mid-production due to it, well, being leaked, but I doubt that. They've gotten too far.

The wrong recalc did basically get the same result as the new recalc, so does it really count as wrong, ya know?

Correct one gets you to High 7-A + even if they matched, this doesn't mean that it is right. Also values are different.

Again, all of this talk is meaningless since I firmly don't care whatever y'all do on this website, I heard that all of main cast, including Al, are getting downgraded to 9-A or something because HB calcs sucked, and I'm absolutely indifferent about this. Do whatever.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Again, all of this talk is meaningless since I firmly don't care whatever y'all do on this website, I heard that all of main cast, including Al, are getting downgraded to 9-A or something because HB calcs sucked, and I'm absolutely indifferent about this. Do whatever.

Yeah, it’s totally normal to get burned out with all this back and forth. If it's any comfort, a Tier 9 Downgrade is pretty unlikely now that Hazbin has like three Tier 7 feats, plus if you take into account the abundance of Tier 8 feats across both shows (Even I.M.P. shouldn't go below 8-C if this calc is valid)

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Point was that Weekly tends to highball and Jinx tends to lowball

I could go into how Stolas is stated stronger than Alastor via an author statement directly saying so and hell's heirarcy being what it is while Deadly sins(Folks in Adam's ballpark) are much stronger than him... but what's the point?

Alastor has one reason to downscale from Adam in AP alone and TWO reasons to not scale in any way to him anywhere else. The second Adam threw an attack that connected, the "source of Alastor's powers" broke like a twig. And he shattered Alastor's barrier in one punch which is basically a trump card for Al.

Pilot and S1 Alastor is a top-tier. That is, he's a cut above most of the cast and has most of them by the balls when it comes to challenging him... but there are definitely members of the cast well above him, like Adam. You'd have to argue that Alastor's barrier that's treated like a trump card by the entire cast is weaker than he is to try and generate any physical scaling, let alone the tall bird man ******* up the scaling once again.

Also, just saying, it depends on how it's handled for S2. Season 1 Hazbin was mid because it did not know how to slow the **** down until the very end.

That bird that I hate


Also we don’t even know how season 2 will end, maybe he gets a buff