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Here's the Sugar on the cream, Vox asked me to scale to his team.

Do you mind if we close this and I will just propose this in my Alastor thread? I’m getting tired of waiting, I feel like we’re not going anywhere
 
There is no point of those shadows being non-physical here as they are intended to harm Adam, lol.
The only "physical" thing about them is that they have a defined shape. Otherwise, they behave like the other shadows created by Alastor, and in fact they dissipate in the same way.
He just transformed into the shadow, lol.
Alastor not only transformed into the shadow, but was initially in contact with his shadow. From there, he became one
 
The only "physical" thing about them is that they have a defined shape. Otherwise, they behave like the other shadows created by Alastor, and in fact they dissipate in the same way.
No? They can grab and harm Adam, they do not act non-physical at all in the fight. It would also make no-sense for him to make shadows that he wants to use in a fight to be intangible, yk
Alastor not only transformed into the shadow, but was initially in contact with his shadow. From there, he became one
Just because his own shadow "grabbed" him (which could be just an imitation and not actual grab) and then he became a shadow does not give him NPI at all.
 
No? They can grab and harm Adam, they do not act non-physical at all in the fight. It would also make no-sense for him to make shadows that he wants to use in a fight to be intangible, yk
There are thousands of examples of incorporeal beings that are able to interact with physical beings and not vice versa.
Without going any further, in Dragon Ball the deceased characters can touch and support the living even though they are now spirits, in Touhou the ghosts can touch, move and grab objects, the Alternates themselves in Mandela Catalogue can attack humans even though they exist in another spectrum of reality, etc.
That is not an anti-feat at all.
Of course there are examples where something, because it is intangible, cannot touch physical things. But it is a case by case, and in general that rule is not respected.
Also leaving that aside, the creatures created by Alastor share the shadowy nature of his other attacks or powers, they dissipate when damaged, and they move between shadows.
They meet all the requirements to be incorporeal.
Just because his own shadow "grabbed" him (which could be just an imitation and not actual grab) and then he became a shadow does not give him NPI at all.
This shows how Alastor can interact with the darkness and shadows it creates. It couldn't be imitation in the context of that moment either.
 
the Alternates themselves in Mandela Catalogue can attack humans even though they exist in another spectrum of reality, etc.
No,they use madness hax and make their opponents kill themselves,and Satan used his telekinesis to pull off someone eyes.
 
There are thousands of examples of incorporeal beings that are able to interact with physical beings and not vice versa.
Then prove this is the case. Because if it acts physical, you can't say it isn't.
Without going any further, in Dragon Ball the deceased characters can touch and support the living even though they are now spirits, in Touhou the ghosts can touch, move and grab objects, the Alternates themselves in Mandela Catalogue can attack humans even though they exist in another spectrum of reality, etc.
Cool, sadly this is Hazbin Hotel we're talking about.
Also leaving that aside, the creatures created by Alastor share the shadowy nature of his other attacks or powers, they dissipate when damaged, and they move between shadows.
They meet all the requirements to be incorporeal.
They can physically grab Adam, so no.
This shows how Alastor can interact with the darkness and shadows it creates. It couldn't be imitation in the context of that moment either.
He has Darkness Manipulation, but that's it.
 
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