God Tier Hazbin Hotel Revisions

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

I've seen that brought up as evidence, and I think we shouldn't use unreleased material atm. I haven't looked at the leaks because I don't want to spoil myself lol, but it's very possible we may get more context for it later. We should just work with what we have right now.

Again, 100 percent agree doesn't help that the leaks don't support the fodder alastor agenda like people say

 

[Jinx666]

I disagree with al scaling to adam, but Alastor was not blitzed, he was caught of guard.........don't **** with HH fans, we don't even watch the show

He wasnt caught off guard what? He was literally face front to Adam, had his cane broke, and then was helpless against the finishing blow lol

This was NOT a surprise attack

Rosie amped his power, but his soul was unlike any sinners beforehand including zestial, so yes, he is allat......... can people stop trying to use leaks to push dumb agenda's when those same leaks also help alastor? Also it was literally stated in the pilot that nobody knows how alastor got so strong, so it's clear that they already had the idea that alastor was getting buffed by someone since the pilot.
Also vizie said stolas > alastor, but alastor took a shot from a pissed off adam and got better in like an hour, while stolas got jumped by an imp with angel weapons and got hospitalised.......so we should probably remove the statement for stolas scaling to alastor

This is all your speculation but now that we know Alastor got his power to a high degree cause of her, and he's outright begging her to fix it for him, hes clearly not all that without the help oif Rosie. Theyre literally contracted so he can have POWER, implying he didnt have sufficient enough beforehand. Girl has him on a leash.

Alastor is a fraud bro, lets not try scaling him to Adam, or Charlie and Lucifer for that matter

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

He wasnt caught off guard what? He was literally face front to Adam, had his cane broke, and then was helpless against the finishing blow lol

This was NOT a surprise attack

he was looking at his cane, and adam hit him when he realised his cane broke. Getting caught offguard does not mean it has to be a surprise attack but he was not blitzed.......adam is faster yes, which is why he couldn't react fast enough, but the guy is not a speedster

This is all your speculation but now that we know Alastor got his power to a high degree cause of her, and he's outright begging her to fix it for him, hes clearly not all that without the help oif Rosie. Theyre literally contracted so he can have POWER, implying he didnt have sufficient enough beforehand. Girl has him on a leash.

so you just gonna ignore that
a. your not covering your spoilers
b. that statement of his soul not being like anything she's seen before is from rosie.....before he died. Thats why rosie wanted his soul. Media literacy is dead

Alastor is a fraud bro, lets not try scaling him to Adam, or Charlie and Lucifer for that matter

People saying alastor is a fraud need a better braincell..........Thanos is a fraud ig. Also I literally said he shouldn't scale to adam........

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

He wasnt caught off guard what? He was literally face front to Adam, had his cane broke, and then was helpless against the finishing blow lol

This was NOT a surprise attack

This is all your speculation but now that we know Alastor got his power to a high degree cause of her, and he's outright begging her to fix it for him, hes clearly not all that without the help oif Rosie. Theyre literally contracted so he can have POWER, implying he didnt have sufficient enough beforehand. Girl has him on a leash.

Alastor is a fraud bro, lets not try scaling him to Adam, or Charlie and Lucifer for that matter

Can you please spoiler your stuff if you're going to bring up the leaks? Honestly, it'd be better if we dropped the matter entirely since none of it has actually been out to screen yet. However, for anyone knowledgeable on the series but wants to avoid spoilers, they can't traverse this thread if we're discussing leaked material so openly.

 

[Flowerguy2]

Link? It definitely does sound better and more reliable on a first sight.

Here's a clip since no one's bothering even linking it

Although, she did say:

Carmilla Carmine: Welcome, Hell's sovereign overlords. I've invited you all here because you represent the controlling powers of our city. Together, you own millions of souls. Souls at risk with the new Extermination schedule. pounds fist on table We need to discuss what can be done to minimize the impact to our interest.

 

[Jinx666]

he was looking at his cane, and adam hit him when he realised his cane broke. Getting caught offguard does not mean it has to be a surprise attack but he was not blitzed.......adam is faster yes, which is why he couldn't react fast enough, but the guy is not a speedster

You dont need to be a speedster to blitz. Heck, its not that big of a deal or smthn to zoom in on, im guessing you just hate Alastor seeming way inferior.

Bro had no shot lol, all he did was stall Adam goofing off p much

so you just gonna ignore that
a. your not covering your spoilers
b. that statement of his soul not being like anything she's seen before is from rosie.....before he died. Thats why rosie wanted his soul. Media literacy is dead

a. Meh, we're discussing power levels, not the show
b. You havent provided any scan of this, all ive seen was the song so thanks for spoiling me lmao. 'Media literacy is dead' is the most reddit mod thing you could say.

Alastor relying on another overlord for his power just shows. Rosie saying smthn about his soul being special does not mean hes as strong as he is now on his own. He needed to sign up the contract for a reason

People saying alastor is a fraud need a better braincell..........Thanos is a fraud ig. Also I literally said he shouldn't scale to adam........

Maybe you're just...overglazing him? People aren't lacking braincells because they can see this dude is NOT top of the verse. You srsly think hes 'god-tier' like???

Alastor has clearly lost a ton of aura since the pilot. Dogged around by Lucifer, Adam and now Rosie lmao. He doesnt scale to them at any serious levels of power.

 

[Jinx666]

Can you please spoiler your stuff if you're going to bring up the leaks? Honestly, it'd be better if we dropped the matter entirely since none of it has actually been out to screen yet. However, for anyone knowledgeable on the series but wants to avoid spoilers, they can't traverse this thread if we're discussing leaked material so openly.

sry didnt see this before last reply

Either way, theres no point tryna call Alastor a god tier when we're now given huge info that he is in fact, not.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Link? It definitely does sound better and more reliable on a first sight.

Edit: Chicago has over 2.7 million people as population, so Carmilla's statement would be supportive at best.

Because every year the angels come to exterminate, this is why.

Link? It definitely does sound better and more reliable on a first sight.

Edit: Chicago has over 2.7 million people as population, so Carmilla's statement would be supportive at best.

Because every year the angels come to exterminate, this is why.

They exterminate a percent, not nearly everybody. And exterminations were only hinted to start 7 years ago.

Considering the only argument supporting yours is the line from the leaks.

Nope, it’s the fight of Adam and Alastor itself, leaks are just supportive.

The leaks confirm that alastors soul was unlike anything she’s ever seen, putting him above zestial. So no he’s not a f*cking blitzo victim, your just exaggerating.

“Unlike anything she’s ever seen” can mean all sorts of things, including his regen. Season 2 Alastor is the worst, anyone neggs that pathetic fodder.

Sometimes it just be like that.

I see

You misunderstand: I was more in agreement with you on this point than Reaper. Reaper denied that the cane is tied to Alastor's power in any significant way, and I was tackling that. Adam's Power Nullification shouldn't be based on erasing Alastor's powers when all he effectively did was disrupt it by destroying what was the conduit of Alastor's powers, was that not what you were saying? The page itself says it's the source of his powers. I'm adding that while we're doing a verse wide revision that we fix that with Alastor. You appear to be in agreement with me for the most part, so this shouldn't be an issue.

Oh, we’re on the same page then, you’re right that I misunderstood ya.

I never said you had Alastor above Adam physically, so I'm not sure why you're responding to a point I didn't make.

OK then.

He staggered a casual Adam through what effectively a cheap shot. That's not enough to properly scale him to Adam.

It actually is. You harm someone, you scale to him.

Adam one shotting Alastor's shield (which was supposed to be a trump card)

Prove that this shield is equal or above Alastor’s own durability.

almost killing him with one slash

With Angelic Weapons, which scale higher than one’s AP as I explained in the OP.

makes it clear that Alastor isn't remotely comparable to a serious Adam.

Can you prove that Adam was not serious in fight? Never stated nor shown; quite the opposite, Adam was shown to be mad.

It's fine if he gets 7-A from the Vox feat because that's a separate matter.

OK.

A serious Adam upsizing his guitar and attacking dismantled Alastor's form so fast that he didn't even realize what had happened.

He still blocked his attack. And if you look at the scene closely, you will notice that Al closed his eyes, meaning it blinded him, as it is light attack. I mean, try to look at the Sun.

Again, it shows that Alastor doesn't match a serious Adam. Alastor being above Adam in terms of skill is fine. Alastor got Adam to a point where he had to rely on being physically stronger to beat Alastor over all else.

“Serious” is just a headcanon made by Adam apologists.

Im not :I Just because i don't agree doesnt mean i didnt read it. You need to stop with the attitude

You just do points that I already debunked in the OP/thread.

Clearly not. Adam was more frustrated, when he actually landed a serious hit, Alastor got folded.

Frustrated = serious. He just blinded Alastor and caught off guard.
Idea that Adam was holding back and was non-serious is just a silly headcanon because Adam glazers can’t admit that Adam is all that all-powerful.

Alastor dodging does NOT scale him either way

It does? If you dodge A’s hit, you scale to A in R/C. It always was like that, sorry to disappoint you.

Because Alastor WAS indeed acting like he was tough shit. He was smug and taunting, Adam didnt genuinely think he was tough, he thought he was a poser.

No. Try again. What did Alastor do right before Adam said that?

Okay quit the glazing.

Funny that this comes from Adam’ glazer.

Even when Adam is clearly out of practise and underestimating Hell, even if he is worse in 'skill', Alastor got folded easily at the end of the day. It wasnt a sneak attack whatsoever, Alastor actively tried to block the attack, then got blitzed after the cane broke.

Already explained in the OP/before in reply to you. Improve your memory a bit ig

They gave Alastor that fight scene and a small advantage (knowing he would narratively lose) for fanservice mainly.

Headcanon (again, what a coincidence).

We're only just now finding out that he isnt all that,

Sadly, he destroyed all of ancient dominant Overlords the first day he came in Hell and is stated to be the strongest Sinner. Yes, unfortunately, this part of the story is canon, unlike your silly headcanons, so “isn’t all that” is quite a claim.

and it isnt even his own power lol

Yeah, Vivzie ****** up.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Here's a clip since no one's bothering even linking it

Although, she did say:

Now that makes sense.

"Together", not each one...

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yeah I 100% agree. I also agree on your point on the cane, orange is acting like its an infinity stone or some shit of a line from the leaks lmfao

Uh, he was actually agreeing with me on the cane, tf.

 

[StrymULTRA]

They exterminate a percent, not nearly everybody. And exterminations were only hinted to start 7 years ago.

But we don't know how many people were before said exterminations?

Besides, Charlie's statement would only be supportive at best because it comes from a song, the most likely thing to have flowery language jfc.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Also vizie said stolas > alastor, but alastor took a shot from a pissed off adam and got better in like an hour, while stolas got jumped by an imp with angel weapons and got hospitalised.......so we should probably remove the statement for stolas scaling to alastor

Actually, Vivizie was comparing Alastor and Stolas’ abilities, not fight iirc. And it was not an hour since Adam’s fight.
Sorry for triple posting, I am not on PC rn.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

But we don't know how many people were before said exterminations?

Bad people throughout all of humanity in all points of time… just think about it.

Besides, Charlie's statement would only be supportive at best because it comes from a song, the most likely thing to have flowery language jfc.

I don’t see how it is flowery language just because it is a song? It’s pretty straightforward.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Apparently Lute killed around like 200 something sinners in the last extermination, and don't think the Exorcist army is all that big. So a billion seems about right.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bad people throughout all of humanity in all points of time… just think about it.

You do realize that the City would be like continent sized at least, right?

117 billion people in total. It does not matter how much you slice it, it's gonna be bigger than a ******* city.

I don’t see how it is flowery language just because it is a song? It’s pretty straightforward.

Songs are works of art, dude. If poetry uses flowery language and metaphors, songs can as much.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

You do realize that the City would be like continent sized at least, right?

117 billion people in total. It does not matter how much you slice it, it's gonna be bigger than a ******* city.

Strym, this population is for ALL Rings, not just one.

Songs are works of art, dude. If poetry uses flowery language and metaphors, songs can as much.

Charlie loves expressing her thoughts through the songs as she herself says, so her being direct here would make sense.

 

[Homie890]

try to look at the Sun.

ok.

 

[Jinx666]

You just do points that I already debunked in the OP/thread.

'Yeah guys your points are wrong because i think ive debunked them'

You havent. You just dont like that people arent agreeing with how you choose to subjectively portray it. Adam is clearly shown a cut above Alastor

Frustrated = serious. He just blinded Alastor and caught off guard.
Idea that Adam was holding back and was non-serious is just a silly headcanon because Adam glazers can’t admit that Adam is all that all-powerful.

No, it doesnt. Being frustrated and trying to kill your opponent with that feeling is different to actively being serious. The second Adam launches an actual powerful attack from the rest (as we see with the guitar size shift), then the fight ends immediately. Adam has never needed to exert any power killing sinners, Alastor just pushed him a bit because he was able to stall. He still doesnt scale to Adam's full power.

Adam literally shown using a stronger attack than the ones he was throwing out before previously, which beat Alastor. Its a difference of power. Imagine trying to claim that Alastor is stronger than Adam when the show actively shows you he is not.

At most Alastor is a fan favourite, who we now know is only strong in his psychological front more so, with his whole smile gimmick. Vivzie gave him time to stall Adam, but bro literally himself states he almost died lmao

It does? If you dodge A’s hit, you scale to A in R/C. It always was like that, sorry to disappoint you.

It doesnt cause Adam was clearly not showing any actual power or effort during this time to kill Alastor.

No. Try again. What did Alastor do right before Adam said that?

He was talking tough shit. Adam literally took NO damage from that battle lmao. Throwing him around a little does not equate to hurting him.

Funny that this comes from Adam’ glazer.

You out here acting like Alastor won that fight Tryna call him a god-tier like? Adam can go toe to toe with the actual rulers of Hell

Already explained in the OP/before in reply to you. Improve your memory a bit ig

'I explained it! That means its right'

Turns out i disagree. My memory aint being loaded up with Hazbin Hotel fr

Headcanon (again, what a coincidence).

Thats not what a headcanon is. Alastor is one of the poster characters who got Hazbin so popular lol. The awful expositional dialogue aside and how we need to be constantly reminded how powerful Alastor is meant to be, they showed he was no match for a serious Adam, and took the L. Thus its obvious they only gave him those scenes for a fight scene with him, which makes ppl eat him up like you. In the grand scheme, Nifty literally did more than Alastor lol

Sadly, he destroyed all of ancient dominant Overlords the first day he came in Hell and is stated to be the strongest Sinner. Yes, unfortunately, this part of the story is canon, unlike your silly headcanons, so “isn’t all that” is quite a claim.

Well hes clearly NOT the strongest sinner huh. As we found out. And found out who owns the source of his power

I dont at all recall them calling him the strongest either, and very much doubt this to other Overlords who clearly arent that scared of him lmao. This might not be referring to a fight either but Valentino said that Alastor 'almost beat' Vox, which implies that Vox won high-diff. So many holes to poke

Yeah, Vivzie ****** up.

Too bad its canon, and your basis for thinking Alastor is the strongest kinda falls flat because of it

Dont you forget

 

[Jinx666]

Anyway i still disagree with these upgrades. Like, just wait for S2, im sure things will be more plausible

Like Alastor did when he got oneshot by Adam, im dipping

Muted

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Alastor is the strongest sinner, the leaks confirmed that. Rosie is a hellborn from what I gather.

 

[StrymULTRA]

On a second though, the billion statement makes more sense as it fits with the amount of dead people across history and the exterminations.
Using this calc again:

• Given overpopulation stuff, imma use Senegal's members per household (which is 9.97).
• 1e9*(1/9.97)= 100300902.7 homes
• 100300902.7 * 3.888e10 = 3.899699097e18 J/s
• For the commercial buildings I'll use China, given it has a similar population to Hell, which has at least 479.16 million square meters of commercial area, or 5157635316.8472 square foot. 5157635316.8472 * 22.5 KWH = 1.160467946e+11 KWH or 4.177684606e+17 Joules
• Sum = 3.899699097e18 + 4.177684606e17 = 4.317467558e+18 Joules
• AP = 4.317467558e+18 / 4s = 1.07936689e18 Joules or 257.97 Megatons (7-A)

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

It actually is. You harm someone, you scale to him.

Harming or competing against someone that isn't going all out has never been acceptable for scaling to that person's full power. The wiki doesn't accept something like Krillin downscaling from SSJB Goku for briefly matching Kamehamehas with him. There are a lot of examples we could use, but I'm sure you're plenty aware of this.

Prove that this shield is equal or above Alastor’s own durability.

No offense, but this is a nonsense request. It would be on you to prove the shield is somehow lesser than Alastor's usual magic. Charlie was surprised the shield was taken down at all, so this was clearly meant to be Alastor's big move against the Exorcists. The context makes it clear this shield is one of the best things Alastor could have done for that fight.

With Angelic Weapons, which scale higher than one’s AP as I explained in the OP.

We see that's the case with characters like Charlie and Striker, but Adam doesn't appear far off in power to his guitar. One shotting Alastor's forcefield, which was supposed to be a trump card, with his hand is pretty good evidence of that. Adam knocked down and restrained Charlie without even using his axe. Charlie is significantly stronger than Alastor too from what Viv has implied. So no, it's not like Alastor is relative to Adam physically but the guitar axe just makes him that much stronger.

Can you prove that Adam was not serious in fight? Never stated nor shown; quite the opposite, Adam was shown to be mad. “Serious” is just a headcanon made by Adam apologists.

"Mad" isn't really how I'd put it. It was more like he was annoyed with how much shit Alastor was throwing at him. He only really got "mad" when he told Alastor he would wipe the grin off his face, and y'know... That's the moment when Adam proceeds to destroy Alastor's cane so thoroughly that Alastor hadn't even realized what happened yet. There doesn't need to be a statement to realize what's happening in the fight.

Adam sees a random sinner who thinks he's hot shit, starts to fight with him and doesn't take him seriously because he's just a mortal soul, starts to get overwhelmed with all of the tools Alastor has to exploit Adam's cockiness, and Adam gets frustrated enough to launch a serious attack that completely baffles and immobilizes Alastor. That's a pretty simple break down of the fight where it's evident that Adam's cockiness made him not take Alastor seriously at first.

He still blocked his attack. And if you look at the scene closely, you will notice that Al closed his eyes, meaning it blinded him, as it is light attack. I mean, try to look at the Sun.

This is just reaching ngl. This moment is played more as a "blink and you'll miss it" kind of scene as it happened so fast that Alastor hadn't realized what happened. There's nothing demonstrating that it blinded him and surprised him like that other than "it's an attack of light so it must have done that."

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Uh, he was actually agreeing with me on the cane, tf.

as a conduit rather than a power source......which is what i proposed

Actually, Vivizie was comparing Alastor and Stolas’ abilities, not fight iirc. And it was not an hour since Adam’s fight.
Sorry for triple posting, I am not on PC rn.

nah she said in a fight

You dont need to be a speedster to blitz. Heck, its not that big of a deal or smthn to zoom in on, im guessing you just hate Alastor seeming way inferior.

What? I'm literally saying alastor doesn't scale to adam. I have an adam pfp. I just watched the show............adam did catch him offguard. Not that it would have mattered because adam CAN blitz alastor, he just didn't need to.

a. Meh, we're discussing power levels, not the show
b. You havent provided any scan of this, all ive seen was the song so thanks for spoiling me lmao. 'Media literacy is dead' is the most reddit mod thing you could say.

Cause its leaks? And we shouldn't even be using them cause

1. People that are actively avoiding leaks are gonna get spoiled in a ******* powerscaling forum
2. It's just kinda a dick move
3. They are likely to be changed

Alastor relying on another overlord for his power just shows. Rosie saying smthn about his soul being special does not mean hes as strong as he is now on his own. He needed to sign up the contract for a reason

The leaks showed the context of the deal. Please stop trying to talk like you saw all the leaks when you admitted you only saw the song.......because it only makes you look stupid.

Maybe you're just...overglazing him? People aren't lacking braincells because they can see this dude is NOT top of the verse. You srsly think hes 'god-tier' like???

Alastor has clearly lost a ton of aura since the pilot. Dogged around by Lucifer, Adam and now Rosie lmao. He doesnt scale to them at any serious levels of power.

............this entire argument hinges on a strawmann? I agree he's not the top dog, but the way your treating him is acting like you'd beat him up without the deal lmfao.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

“Unlike anything she’s ever seen” can mean all sorts of things, including his regen. Season 2 Alastor is the worst, anyone neggs that pathetic fodder.

Contextually it's likely referring to power/potential since in season 1 rosie is interested in charlie's potential (also alastor didn't regenerate the wound, he just stitched it), since he'd have to be capable of magic to summon rosie (also the fact his magic is voodoo, which ties into the fact he's mixed also plays into the factor that Al had magic before death), he'd have to have some sort of magical power, which carmilla doesn't even have, and the guy's terms weren't even to be the strongest, just to be able to torture others. So "fraud" doesn't even work cause rosie wanted him to be the strongest lmfao

Tldr he's not a blitzo victim , idc about him not scaling to adam in base, just don't bully the dude THAT bad.

 

[ShionAH]

That's a pretty simple break down of the fight where it's evident that Adam's cockiness made him not take Alastor seriously at first.

Additionally we know how a serious Adam fights, its seen in the Lucifer battle

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

'Yeah guys your points are wrong because i think ive debunked them'

You havent. You just dont like that people arent agreeing with how you choose to subjectively portray it. Adam is clearly shown a cut above Alastor

More like “I addressed that eons ago but you give no shit, stop doing that”

No, it doesnt. Being frustrated and trying to kill your opponent with that feeling is different to actively being serious.

If you are furious, you go all out. You can’t have both.

The second Adam launches an actual powerful attack from the rest (as we see with the guitar size shift), then the fight ends immediately.

Blind attack that Alastor never saw, thus doesn’t count.

Adam has never needed to exert any power killing sinners, Alastor just pushed him a bit because he was able to stall. He still doesnt scale to Adam's full power.

Wow, I think THIS is why he spammed Holy Beams against random sinners?

Adam literally shown using a stronger attack than the ones he was throwing out before previously, which beat Alastor. Its a difference of power. Imagine trying to claim that Alastor is stronger than Adam when the show actively shows you he is not.

Addressed above.

At most Alastor is a fan favourite, who we now know is only strong in his psychological front more so, with his whole smile gimmick. Vivzie gave him time to stall Adam, but bro literally himself states he almost died lmao

No? Vivzie legit bullies Alastor in Season 2 to the point he is Blitzo’s victim and the worst written character of all Helluve verse. She tells us that Stolas is stronger than Alastor.
Stop the baseless headcanon. Also, appeal to motive.

It doesnt cause Adam was clearly not showing any actual power or effort during this time to kill Alastor.

Faces and words of a non-serious casual mf:

He was talking tough shit. Adam literally took NO damage from that battle lmao.

Oh, right, this is why he makes such a face. He also such a deep philosopher he decides to stroke his chin mid-battle!

You out here acting like Alastor won that fight

Headcanon (2)

Tryna call him a god-tier like? Adam can go toe to toe with the actual rulers of Hell

And Alastor can fight Adam, and was feared by Charlie in pilot and best chance against Adam in series, lul

Thats not what a headcanon is. Alastor is one of the poster characters who got Hazbin so popular lol. The awful expositional dialogue aside and how we need to be constantly reminded how powerful Alastor is meant to be, they showed he was no match for a serious Adam, and took the L. Thus its obvious they only gave him those scenes for a fight scene with him, which makes ppl eat him up like you.

Addressed this yappery already. Alastor is probably most hated character in fandom and by Vivzie currently. You have no idea how many edits are there bullying Alastor, pal

In the grand scheme, Nifty literally did more than Alastor lol

Remind me who was the one who got AWs and army to fight?

Well hes clearly NOT the strongest sinner huh. As we found out. And found out who owns the source of his power

Vaggie says he has raw power no mortal ever had and Rosie outright says he is the strongest Sinner.

Valentino said that Alastor 'almost beat' Vox, which implies that Vox won high-diff. So many holes to poke. Too bad its canon, and your basis for thinking Alastor is the strongest kinda falls flat because of it

Read. The. *******. OP! I wrote the whole essay why this isn’t the case. Vox ***** his pants at Alastor and never brags about winning, and the beating up was never stated to be in actual fight, it’s most likely popularity.
Damn, wanking a character via just one statement while ignoring everything for Alastor… and people think why I call others downplayers/haters!

Dont you forget

Forget what?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

On a second though, the billion statement makes more sense as it fits with the amount of dead people across history and the exterminations.

Yup, my point.

Using this calc again:

• Given overpopulation stuff, imma use Senegal's members per household (which is 9.97).
• 1e9*(1/9.97)= 100300902.7 homes
• 100300902.7 * 3.888e10 = 3.899699097e18 J/s
• For the commercial buildings I'll use China, given it has a similar population to Hell, which has at least 479.16 million square meters of commercial area, or 5157635316.8472 square foot. 5157635316.8472 * 22.5 KWH = 1.160467946e+11 KWH or 4.177684606e+17 Joules
• Sum = 3.899699097e18 + 4.177684606e17 = 4.317467558e+18 Joules
• AP = 4.317467558e+18 / 4s = 1.07936689e18 Joules or 257.97 Megatons (7-A)

Sounds good to me. Wanna put that in blog or smth?

Harming or competing against someone that isn't going all out has never been acceptable for scaling to that person's full power.

Adam was very indeed serious, though.

And him being non-serious is just assumption to glorify Adam, it’s pretty baseless as it was never stated or even hinted.

The wiki doesn't accept something like Krillin downscaling from SSJB Goku for briefly matching Kamehamehas with him. There are a lot of examples we could use, but I'm sure you're plenty aware of this.

Goku has a reason to why his durability lowers while holding back iirc.

No offense, but this is a nonsense request. It would be on you to prove the shield is somehow lesser than Alastor's usual magic.

Alastor does not have UES, so it’s on you to prove that.

Charlie was surprised the shield was taken down at all, so this was clearly meant to be Alastor's big move against the Exorcists.

And it was. The only person who actually broke through it was Adam, other Exorcists ******* bleed when slamming into it.

The context makes it clear this shield is one of the best things Alastor could have done for that fight.

Not really, the only reason why it was so good because it is large and massive. It’s your burden to prove this forcefield is greater or equal to Alastor’s durability.

We see that's the case with characters like Charlie and Striker, but Adam doesn't appear far off in power to his guitar.

Adam’s Weapon Creation works same as Charlie, if not better. They are both Angels, although Charlie is only on half

One shotting Alastor's forcefield, which was supposed to be a trump card, with his hand is pretty good evidence of that.

Addressed.

Adam knocked down and restrained Charlie without even using his axe.

True.

Charlie is significantly stronger than Alastor too from what Viv has implied.

Scan?

"Mad" isn't really how I'd put it. It was more like he was annoyed with how much shit Alastor was throwing at him. He only really got "mad" when he told Alastor he would wipe the grin off his face, and y'know... That's the moment when Adam proceeds to destroy Alastor's cane so thoroughly that Alastor hadn't even realized what happened yet. There doesn't need to be a statement to realize what's happening in the fight.

Then what are those faces?

And this reaction?

Adam sees a random sinner who thinks he's hot

Wut…

shit, starts to fight with him and doesn't take him seriously because he's just a mortal soul, starts to get overwhelmed with all of the tools Alastor has to exploit Adam's cockiness, and Adam gets frustrated enough to launch a serious attack that completely baffles and immobilizes Alastor. That's a pretty simple break down of the fight where it's evident that Adam's cockiness made him not take Alastor seriously at first.

This is just a headcanon to justify. I can as well say “Alastor thought he was infinitely stronger so he let himself hit”. Would be as baseless assumption as yours.

This is just reaching ngl. This moment is played more as a "blink and you'll miss it" kind of scene as it happened so fast that Alastor hadn't realized what happened. There's nothing demonstrating that it blinded him and surprised him like that other than "it's an attack of light so it must have done that."

If he was blitzed, he wouldn’t block the attack. And his eyes closure was one of a blind:

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

as a conduit rather than a power source......which is what i proposed

Imo it’s more of a conduit x amplifier

nah she said in a fight

Rip L bozo

Contextually it's likely referring to power/potential since in season 1 rosie is interested in charlie's potential (also alastor didn't regenerate the wound, he just stitched it), since he'd have to be capable of magic to summon rosie (also the fact his magic is voodoo, which ties into the fact he's mixed also plays into the factor that Al had magic before death), he'd have to have some sort of magical power, which carmilla doesn't even have, and the guy's terms weren't even to be the strongest, just to be able to torture others. So "fraud" doesn't even work cause rosie wanted him to be the strongest lmfao

Tldr he's not a blitzo victim , idc about him not scaling to adam in base, just don't bully the dude THAT bad.

Spoiler: Smth

If what you said was true, the whole deal with Rosie would just be stupid if he already was the strongest. He may have been special for literally anything, from regen to his weird shadow.
Season 2 Alastor is a featless fodder that turns out to be Vox’s victim. “Vivzie’s favorite character” — so believable. It seems that she just joined the fandom’s hate tbf.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Adam was very indeed serious, though.

And him being non-serious is just assumption to glorify Adam, it’s pretty baseless as it was never stated or even hinted.

You know that you can be pissed when holding back, right?

Pokemon Nuzlockes are literally that, giving to yourself a set of rules to make the game harder, and you can indeed get pissed despite being fully aware of the self limitations.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

You know that you can be pissed when holding back, right?

Pokemon Nuzlockes are literally that, giving to yourself a set of rules to make the game harder, and you can indeed get pissed despite being fully aware of the self limitations.

You really think Adam is that? We don’t even have any statements of him holding back, they just assume it, lol. His pissed off faces just further debunk their point.

 

[StrymULTRA]

You really think Adam is that? We don’t even have any statements of him holding back, they just assume it, lol. His pissed off faces just further debunk their point.

We don't have direct statements of Bill interacting with concepts either, let's remove that despite the implications :3

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

We don't have direct statements of Bill interacting with concepts either, let's remove that despite the implications :3

He at least has heavy implications. Adam has 0, the only thing that this idea comes from is “he was just using his axe”. I guess having different fighting styles is not a thing.
Oh and also “he gets mad at the end”, although I already showed he was mad throughout the whole fight.

• For the commercial buildings I'll use China, given it has a similar population to Hell, which has at least 479.16 million square meters of commercial area, or 5157635316.8472 square foot. 5157635316.8472 * 22.5 KWH = 1.160467946e+11 KWH or 4.177684606e+17 Joules

Shouldn’t you use US because of this btw? Or at least do two ends and let CGMs decide.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Shouldn’t you use US because of this btw? Or at least do two ends and let CGMs decide.

I use something that is close to the population of Hell as I said.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Spoiler: Smth

If what you said was true, the whole deal with Rosie would just be stupid if he already was the strongest. He may have been special for literally anything, from regen to his weird shadow.
Season 2 Alastor is a featless fodder that turns out to be Vox’s victim. “Vivzie’s favorite character” — so believable. It seems that she just joined the fandom’s hate tbf.

I do not think alastor would have been the strongest sinner in hell just manifesting. He would have been strong but there are souls there that have been dominant for centuries. He likely would have some of the best potential but he wouldn’t be the strongest instantly. And even then due to the experience lag he has compared to everyone else he wouldn’t have been able to catch up. I should have reiterated and said he has the greatest potential out of any sinner

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

I'm reiterating this because this is my throughline for a lot of what you're arguing. This is my consistent interpretation throughout:

"Adam sees a random sinner who thinks he's hot shit, starts to fight with him and doesn't take him seriously because he's just a mortal soul, starts to get overwhelmed with all of the tools Alastor has to exploit Adam's cockiness, and Adam gets frustrated enough to launch a serious attack that completely baffles and immobilizes Alastor. That's a pretty simple break down of the fight where it's evident that Adam's cockiness made him not take Alastor seriously at first."

Adam was very indeed serious, though.

And him being non-serious is just assumption to glorify Adam, it’s pretty baseless as it was never stated or even hinted.

Your pics demonstrate the middle part of that interpretation. Allow me to do what you did to further validate it by showing Adam's frustration came from him being cocky and getting overwhelmed from it.

The first thing Adam says after mocking Alastor's voice is literally, "You really think you can take me on? A mortal soul is no match for me, edge-lord." He doesn't take Alastor as a serious threat from his own words. It's not a headcanon to reiterate what the character himself is saying.

Goku has a reason to why his durability lowers while holding back iirc.

Yeah, it's because he's holding back. That's not exclusive to Dragon Ball. I could call a staff member here, and they would very likely tell you the same thing. You shouldn't scale a character fighting someone that's holding back to the latter character's full capabilities.

Not really, the only reason why it was so good because it is large and massive. It’s your burden to prove this forcefield is greater or equal to Alastor’s durability. Alastor does not have UES, so it’s on you to prove that. And it was. The only person who actually broke through it was Adam, other Exorcists ******* bleed when slamming into it.

No? They expected the forcefield to work on the Exorcist army, including Adam himself. It would make literally no sense for Charlie to be surprised that the shield failed if they anticipated that Adam could destroy it. It's pretty evident that they underestimated Adam. Charlie thought Alastor could handle Adam himself, and she was also wrong about that.

The shield being near or at the peak of Alastor's capabilities and failing because Alastor himself was never a proper match for Adam is a pretty consistent interpretation. Saying the shield is significantly inferior than what Alastor normally outputs (even though the shield being effective as it was makes sense within the scaling) to legitimize Alastor scaling to Adam is completely incoherent.

Adam’s Weapon Creation works same as Charlie, if not better. They are both Angels, although Charlie is only on half

Maybe but Adam's physical feats aren't substantially below those done with his guitar axe. Like I mentioned, he restrained Charlie, a character stronger than Alastor, with his bare hands. Let's not forget his 7-A feat, which has been the basis for scaling of top tiers and beyond all other current feats, was done by his angelic light.

Scan?

My bad. It's not a direct statement, but it's still very much the case. Hell's hierarchy is one that is based on power. Lucifer is stronger than demons like Alastor because angels have dominion over demons (and Charlie has that heritage ofc), and Lucifer is at the top of the hierarchy based on being stronger than the other 7 Deadly Sins despite being one of them, the Sin of Pride. Viv gave the hierarchy which had Lucifer on top, Charlie and Lillith next, then the 7 Deadly Sins, then the Ars Goetia, and finally we reach the Overlords like Alastor. This is consistent with other statements too like Stolas being stronger than Alastor.

Then what are those faces?

And this reaction?

They're Adam getting annoyed like I said earlier. That reaction is him getting annoyed. After her gets thrown by Alastor, he goes from annoyed to rather angered and does the attack that destroys the cane. The voice delivery makes it pretty clear the second one is a more intense reaction that lines up with him using a more intense attack to match it.

This is just a headcanon to justify. I can as well say “Alastor thought he was infinitely stronger so he let himself hit”. Would be as baseless assumption as yours.

Reiterating a sequence of events is not a headcanon; it's a fact. If I say Jotaro dies in Part 6, that's a fact, not a headcanon. A recap of events is not an assumption, so I don't know why you're comparing it to an intentionally outlandish claim.

If he was blitzed, he wouldn’t block the attack. And his eyes closure was one of a blind:

We don't see Alastor actually react to Adam's upsized guitar light attack. It focuses on Alastor looking at Adam mid-speech, then it shows Adam flying up and then doing the attack. Alastor is just holding the snapped halves of his cane. He could've easily grabbed his cane with his free hand before Adam made the attack to do something that Adam's attack stopped. I don't see why Alastor would've blocked with his cane either when he's never done that and, as we agree, the cane is a conduit for his abilities. His eyes closing could also be from the flash of light after the attack had landed. There's not much clarity on what Alastor was doing off-screen.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

This is consistent with other statements too like Stolas being stronger than Alastor.

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