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(Grace) Yang Xiao Long vs Inasa Yoarashi

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Yang's semblance works on any kind of damage, it does not solely have to be blunt, however her aura makes it so that any damage that she does take is automatically turned into blunt damage so...

Him flying tens of meters in the air isnt hard for Yang to reach, hell she can jump that high without the use of her gauntlets

Yang vs Tifa was written with help from the RWBY development team, its not outdated as far as the information for Yang goes other than the red shells which have since been retconned in place of missiles

Durability does not lower as aura gets lower, there was a long thread (Technically several) that discussed this and it was agreed that its durability does not go down, only its capacity to take damage

She wouldnt need complete wind resistance, only resistance enough to not be moved by his wind, which she would as her AP would surpass the AP of his wind
 
Yang can't reach him if he's tens of meters away from her and using wind attacks to blow her all over the place. Base Yang has no way of dealing with wind attacks whatsoever. Whether she can clear that distance or not is irrelevant, because she can't deal with Inasa's quirk at all in her base.

You can't nitpick what is and isn't canon in that Death Battle. You're saying that Death Battle's description of her weapon is correct, that them saying it shoots blasts of kinetic energy is 100% truth and should be taken as WoG, but their other statement about her ammunition, which is currently supported by the RWBY compendium, as well as the fact you can literally see her ammo in her gauntlet, has been retconned? Despite there being no evidence of it being retconned whatsoever?

Red shells are still canon, and you have provided no evidence to suggest otherwise. In fact, red shells currently are the only type of ammo Yang even has, because the orange shells seem to have been actually retconned. The RWBY compendium even states that Yang loads rounds of ammunition when she punches. Very clearly, Yang's long ranged attacks are actual objects with mass. In the Volune 5 short, they even curve mid air. Kinetic energy does not curve like that, so what is your explanation?

Your only source that states Yang uses kinetic energy blasts also states she has a limited supply of them, and uses real projectiles for her long ranged shots. Your own source is discrediting your argument. You can't just pick and choose what was and what wasn't retconned because it doesn't agree with what you want.

The difference here is that Yang has no resistance to wind whatsoever, she just has a way of countering the push back that only works when her Semblance is active, but as I've said before, her way of countering it would be easily avoided or worked around by Inasa's insane control over wind. If Yang starts trying to blast through his wind attacks with consecutive shots like she did against Flynt, Inasa will just speed amp to dodge her, then fling her in a different direction. Yang's aura will run out eventually, and then Inasa wins.
 
She can just avoid the wind attacks

Please show where it says that she uses physical bullets in the compendium. Note that im the one who not only owns the book, but am the one who posted the scan of it in the first place and am able to go back to it any time to fact check. So please, do show me where it says her shots are physical.

Red Shells were canonically retconned, there's not much else i can say here, if you choose to not believe it then that's your problem. Loading shots means that her gauntlets function like a shotgun, each punch readies another burst of energy. Nothing in that implies a physical projectile. Also youre implying that bullets are capable of making sharp arcs like that which is equally ridiculous.

We've been over this the last two Yang threads, she does not have a limited number of kinetic shots, she had a limited number of red shells which have since been retconned.
 
Yang is not escaping Inada's Wind manipulation, he has complete control over the wind in his range. Also, if that's your argument, Inasa can just avoid all her attacks including her projectiles with his superior mobility.

I never said she uses bullets at all. The shells she has on Ember Celica aren't bullets, they just contain some type of explosive projectile, hence why they explode on contact with objects. The compendium states she loads new rounds with her punches, if she weren't loading new rounds of ammunition, what else is she loading?

Show me where the red shells were retconned. The Death Battle is inaccurate since information in it has been retconned as you have said, so where, outside of that Death Battle, is Yang not only stated to use kinetic blasts for long range attacks, but also where the red shells were retconned.

Show me where the red shells were retconned. You haven't provided that detail at all.

The fact that Yang's long ranged projectiles make turns mid air is a point for my side that the projectiles are physical objects. I never said they were bullets nor does it matter, what matters is that they are physical objects. Also, you're saying that by "loading another round," the compendium isn't referring to the red shells that are in her gauntlet, but to some arbitrary other rounds in her gauntlet that shoot out her energy? Where is this shown at all? The only rounds that exist in Ember Celica are the red shells, those are the only things that Yang could possibly be loading in reference to the compendium, and this is supported by the fact that in her fight with Adam, she actively ejects a shell from the gauntlet.

Where have the red shells been retconned.
 
We don't equalize one-shots and Yang isn't one-shotting.

That being said, I believe Yang's production of heat will tilt it in her favor. Yang FRA.
 
Her production of heat is completely inconsequential in comparison to Todoroki, and is honestly not noteworthy at all. There has not been a single moment in recent memory where the heat from Yang has burned or scorched anything around her, nor is it usable in battle. Heat makes Inasa's wind rise, it doesn't outright nullify it, as shown when he not only blows out Todoroki's fire, but also when he combines his wind with his fire to trap Gang Orca in a fire tornado. Yang producing rudimentary flames with her semblance that are more aesthetic than anything is not going to completely neg Inasa's quirk.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Yang's semblance works on any kind of damage, it does not solely have to be blunt, however her aura makes it so that any damage that she does take is automatically turned into blunt damage so...
Him flying tens of meters in the air isnt hard for Yang to reach, hell she can jump that high without the use of her gauntlets

Yang vs Tifa was written with help from the RWBY development team, its not outdated as far as the information for Yang goes other than the red shells which have since been retconned in place of missiles

Durability does not lower as aura gets lower, there was a long thread (Technically several) that discussed this and it was agreed that its durability does not go down, only its capacity to take damage

She wouldnt need complete wind resistance, only resistance enough to not be moved by his wind, which she would as her AP would surpass the AP of his wind
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Where has it shown to do that? The only instances shes ever used her semblance is when she felt the actual damage of the attack. Wind hitting against her wouldn't generate the same absorbtion as a punch.

Its not tens of metres lol. Thats the outdated range he can use his quirk at, but he can use the wind to help him fly. you seem to think everyone has some sort of flight limit based on the power alone when it states that.

Yang vs Tifa also said that Yang beats Tifa Lockhart. It was a publicity stunt. And not written by Monty, Miles or Kerry. It was left to the 'experts' at DB to make Yang win. They thought her aura could let her continually take attacks from a Final Fantasy character

What? Aura depreciates as a battle goes on. I'd imagine it wouldn't lower extremely substantially, but the Aura has to reach a breaking point. It physically cant do that if its still at the same strength as before. I know Aura is a hella tricky topic but like...it cant seriously be so convenient like this when its not even made clear what it is.

I dont think thats how it works. You having stronger AP doesn't necessarily affect the ability to stand your ground against a strong wind. Unless you think Yang could stand in the middle of a tornado or something and not get blown away. Your centre of gravity doesn't change when you get higher AP. That is, if Yang's semblance would be as effective against less blunt ways of damage like wind manip. Best she does is hold onto the ground immobilised, all her explosives would be ineffective in winds so she cant move well either.
 
And yes, her production of heat is not....its not a factor honestly.

Inasa can control any winds around him (At a higher range than 'tens of metres', I admittedly made his page but we can see sheerly from the anime and manga he can do it much further), Yang making a little heat not at all to the scale or control of Todoroki wont mean his quirk is completely useless. At best, he wouldn't be able to accurately control the air surrounding Yang, but thats not all the air in this battle.

The dude literally has range, speed amp, ways of keeping Yang away from him, Stronger AP till Yangs semblance kicks in (where she will be weakened), Ways of exhausting her much faster (As wind would), Ways of dispersing or dampening any of her ranged attacks. Yang has a wincon, but she doesn't have the most or the most likely. RWBY on this wiki man, i just dont get it.
 
I just realized that I don't even NEED to prove Yang's red shells are actual projectiles. Despite my evidence that she does indeed shoot physical, explosive projectiles for long range combat, the scene in the volume 5 character trailer DIRECTLY SHOWS her shots being affected by the air around them, which is far better than my arguments. Yang's ammunition would not curve in the air in that manner if they weren't affected by air drag at all.

This directly refutes any argument that Inasa can't disrupt her projectiles, physical objects or not. Her shots are affected by air, which Inasa can control to an insane degree. Inasa used his wind manip to accurately take only small balls from 120 people in a fake city, then shot them back at the contestants so accurately that he only hit the targets that were placed differently on each contestant.

He did this against 120 people and eliminated them instantly. This was a casual feat for him, and showcased the range of his quirk being massively above just tens of meters. Yang's projectiles are not hitting Inasa, and she isn't going to blast through his attacks without him dodging with his speed amp.

The heat she produces is paltry in comparison to what Todoroki makes, and even his flames couldn't outright negate Inasa's control over wind. Yang's heat isn't doing anything but making it slightly harder to control the air around her, which doesn't matter since he can just spam stronger wind blasts from a distance that they won't rise before hitting her, or just stall her semblance out since, in v4, she only uses it for bursts of strength, and doesn't stay in it for extended periods of time.
 
^^^

Pretty Much. People sleeping on Inasa. If Yang's bullets weren't affected by air drag, they would go on infinitely. And her ranged shots wont be enough in general as Inasa just flings her about from a safe aerial distance
 
I'm voting Inasa for king and Jinx reasons also even if Yang generates heat similar to Todoroki's flames Inasa can still blow her away since he could scoop up Todoroki's flames while paralyzed
 
So you agree that without her semblance she does in fact get blown all over the place easily?

Also, what feats does v4 Yang have that show her being unmovable with her semblance? The only comparable feat to what she's going to be facing is the one with Flynt in v3, and she was absolutely not unmovable as she had to force herself through his sound wave, which is weaker than Inasa's wind.

Also, do you have the scans for red shells being retconned? Do you have the scans for Yang using solely kinetic energy with her gauntlets at long range? Do you have the author statements you keep claiming to have?

By your own perspective, Death Battle should no longer be a credible source because the information they were given for the fight has been retconned, so you need to prove your stance without further crediting them.
 
Actually, forget the scans for Yang's kinetic long range energy, I've already shown her shots are affected by wind anyway, so that point is moot.

I would, however, still like to see the author statements and scans about Yang's red shells you claim exist.

Also, no RWBY character scales directly to 8 tons, and especially no RWBY character that Yang would scale to in volume 4. Not to mention no one has tried to move Yang in the same manner Inasa would be, the only one comparable being Flynt from v3. She absolutely is movable with his quirk.
 
Yang with her semblance scales to 8 tons yes. Yang in weaker volumes has been unmoved by things or proportional strength, like being unmoved by the 3 ton mech in volume 2 and being unmoved by the 8+ton moonslice from Adam
 
The examples you're citing are not comparable to wind manipulation though. Yes, I know she has been unmovable to opponents relative to her when Burn activates, but that doesn't transfer to her being unmovable to wind, as shown in her fight with Flynt where, with her Semblance active, she is tumbling and rolling in his soundwave attack, and has to use her gauntlets to force herself through. Clearly, against wind specifically, Yang's AP doesn't help her as much as it does against physical attacks from other people.

Also, even if Yang can reach Inasa by going through his wind, she isn't going to be able to hit him. Inasa will just speed amp away, and the fact that he can actually fly, which is superior to Yang's pseudo flight, also makes it difficult for her to land a hit.

Inasa's intelligence, which is on par with Todoroki's, with this level of mobility is not going to be hit by Yang when she uses her semblance, whether she can force her way through his wind or not. Her Semblance from v4 on also doesn't last very long because she uses it as a burst of damage rather than the "temper tantrum" her dad called her out for. So by the time Yang is using her semblance, her aura is going to already almost be gone, and since she can't reach Inasa even with her semblance, she's going to lose.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Yang's semblance let's her be unmoved by things stronger that inasa's wind
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It really doesn't

Having Higher AP doesn't affect your centre of gravity in a general sense unless she was physically holding onto the ground or something. Flynt's trumpet blow was against her force, Inasa can approach from multiple different directions. At best shes moving against him much more slowly

This still doesn't cover Inasa's multiple other advantages
 
No it doesnt as physics would dictate. The semblance only lets her absorb damage and use it as her own.

Yang, with semblance Amp, boosted her power, and ergo she was able to more strongly oppose the direction of Flynt's wind against her. Which was in the exact opposite direction Yang was moving in. She would still however have been slowed from the air resistance. And Inasa has much much stronger and precise wind manipulation compared to Flynt who only blows a trumpet in one direction. The dude can literally make whole wind tunnels and currents.

Heck, its debatable if Flynt is using sound to push her back rather than wind. Ergo, if your argument even is true, she would have a resistance to Sound manipulation lmao

She doesn't automatically have an immunity to wind manipulation. Nor would it account for anything at all unless she was moving against the wind. Which she cant do if Inasa blows her from the sides, from behind, from above, at any sort of angle other than directly forward. And even then, she gets slowed at best. Yang doesnt develop an immunity to the force wind provides exclusively lmfao, RWBY characters aren't reality breakers.

And what, the one wincon Yang has is to let her semblance, where it would be debatable that a force of damage other than blunt would be as effective to the semblance, stock up and hopefully get close as Inasa stands there (on the ground, where he wouldnt be) with 0 guard against Yang as if he was an idiot? Compared to the more likely and more varied wincons Inasa has?
 
Is that honestly all you're going to answer to?

Yeah, so what instance of wind manipulation are you talking about then? Where Yang has resisted it apparently?

Honestly, this would have been way better if it was Mercury vs Inasa
 
Jinx666 said:
Is that honestly all you're going to answer to?

Yeah, so what instance of wind manipulation are you talking about then? Where Yang has resisted it apparently?

Honestly, this would have been way better if it was Mercury vs Inasa
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When did i ever say she resisted wind manip? She resisted ap higher than inasa's, therefore he wouldnt be abke to move her
 
V4 Yang has not resisted AP higher than Inasa's, that is blatantly false. Provide evidence if it is not.

Flynt had inferior AP and could still push Yang, even without his clones. Yang needed to use her gauntlets to counter his sound manip, something that won't work against Inasa cause he has several other advantages in his flight, intelligence and speed amps.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Jinx666 said:
Is that honestly all you're going to answer to?

Yeah, so what instance of wind manipulation are you talking about then? Where Yang has resisted it apparently?

Honestly, this would have been way better if it was Mercury vs Inasa
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When did i ever say she resisted wind manip? She resisted ap higher than inasa's, therefore he wouldnt be abke to move her
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Thats...even more wrong.

AP =/= Ability to be moved. What AP has she resisted thats higher anyway?

Yang cant just stand there completely unphased because shes higher in AP and power (Only when in her Semblance which requires low aura levels). If she was to physically resist the wind, she would need to be actively trying against it. Which gives Inasa plenty of time to keep out of her way.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
V4 Yang has not resisted AP higher than Inasa's, that is blatantly false. Provide evidence if it is not.

Flynt had inferior AP and could still push Yang, even without his clones. Yang needed to use her gauntlets to counter his sound manip, something that won't work against Inasa cause he has several other advantages in his flight, intelligence and speed amps.
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Flynt had higher AP, he was using his semblance which amps his AP by 4x, Yang's semblance was at most amped to 2x and she was able to force her way through it.
 
@Jinx Resisting Adam's AP amp

Her semblance doesnt require low aura levels, where did you get that idea?
 
Flynt with his clones does not have higher AP than Inasa. Flynt Coal scales to Yang who scales to 1.48 tons. Multiply that by 4 and you get 5.92 tons.

Inasa is 7.8 tons. Inasa is stronger than Flynt Coal.

And yes, Yang's Semblance inherently needs her aura levels to be low, because she only uses it as a last resort from v4 on. It was part of the training with her dad that she doesn't use her semblance as a "rage mode" anymore, and instead only use it when she's already almost out of aura to maximize its potential.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Jinx Resisting Adam's AP amp
Her semblance doesnt require low aura levels, where did you get that idea?
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....Pretty sure she wasn't resisting anything of Adams that fight, which also lowkey having her own semblance being used in a smarter way thn she had previously done, so her Amp would have matched. And why would this translate to not being pushed by Wind, which is very, very different to sword strikes and blunt force from Adam. Inasa can also very much increase the wind pressure, push her from angles shes not resisting etc.

She doesn't require it in that sense, but for a maximum use of her semblance, then yes, she will probably need to be low on aura in order to take a lot of damage, which would be qestionable whether she can absorb wind force damage as much as she can blunt force due to its nature.
 
If this 20 ton upgrade goes through, will Inasa's wind still be effective? For now I'm thinking Inasa, but that might change
 
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