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Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2: Getting to work
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do you know about all legends and myths in the world?
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The statements at the Pokemon Mansion, how the scientist aimed to create the strongest Pokemon and the infamous: "we succeeded".
Should be noted, the pokédex never states Mewtwo is the strongest. The statements of the strongest only apply in Kanto (and likely Johto).
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How do we explain Mewtwo only being discoverable and fought after beating Diantha in XY though?
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interesting, so i propose we just scale to the gen 6 legends
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Which is why I personally support him scaling to High 6-A based on the gen 6 legends.
But it seems the rest want to limit this sort of scaling to their respective gens (which would completely solve the Birds scaling bs ovo)
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why can't we just make a key for the gen 4 version of the birds?
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fair point
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Me no really get how being unlockable after a big fight, means they're stronger than said fight
Giratina isn't stronger than Volo (Who also uses Giratina)
Giratina isn't stronger than Volo (Who also uses Giratina)
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I'm not exactly opposed, but I can also see how that brings more problems. Like, why don't we make keys for every gen for every legendary (that this applies to)? Why are the birds so special in that sense? When simply, they don't have to scale. Which also brings another thing: Why should we use this kind of scaling at all?
At the end of the day, this entire thing is an assumption. A reasonable one imo, but an assumption nonetheless.
We have no canon reason or way to know that these legends can give fight to the protagonists, and thus should receive scaling to their progress at that point (...besides their level when encountered).
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isn't normal for us to give a character another key when they are shown greater feats along the time of a story? how is this different than, say, naruto from the first arc to naruto from the last arc?
levels are even canon? also they could have got stronger
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I don't think I should have to explain why the legendary birds of all Pokemon being 2-B to 2-A makes no sense, even if it's for a different key
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You see how you need to introduce even more assumptions to justify another one? That's precisely what we should avoid.
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Specially when their personal feats are literal infinities below (Moltres interacting with the seasons passively), which is the key part in all of this.
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Ash being tier 2 makes even less sense to me
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Too bad he's gonna get slammed by Xeno Goku and Super Sonic lol
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The Creation Trio and Arceus watched the tourney together and are proud of his victory
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I don't respect wank
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Ash: "Pikachu use-"Ash: Pikachu, use Quick Attack and follow up with Thunder Bolt
Blitzing Goku and one shotting him
Goku: Flicks Pikachu head off
Ash: "P... Pikachu?"
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you know what? fair enough about the birds not scaling to gen 4, but the likes of mewtwo should scale to gen 6 since he has no other feats
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You might as well scale Alain to Primal Groudon and Stevens Metagross to Kyogre then
Might as well make Ash Sceptile MFTL+ because it can catch Deoxys
Might as well give Pikachu 5D AP because it can hurt Arceus without the plates
Might as well give the main protagonist of PLA 5D durability and AP because it can trade blows with Arceus
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Yes, we're doing that (well mainly Steven because Alain got clapped)
If Deoxys in the anime is MFTL+ then yes
The director of that movie admitted to nerfing Arceus for the sake of the plot so it'd be Plot-Induced Stupidity
Yes, we're doing that
What problems? It's only Journeys Ash
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also we had rules against scaling legendaries to trainers
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The main thing I can think of is that the Birbs are a group of species rather than a group of individuals. The Birbs in Sinnoh are very likely different from the ones in Kanto. Whether that warrants these individuals jumping from Tier 6 to 2 is another question.
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Which is honestly very dumb...
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And where are you getting this from?
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Alain would've been tier 3 a long time ago because his Charizard defeated 50% Zygarde
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1. The fact that you can catch wild Birbs in Let’s Go by flying on the back of a Pokémon. On top of the typical set encounters.
2. The Galarian Birbs exist
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Well since we're banning cross scaling with anything that isn't the Creation Trio, he'd be Low 5-B, scaling to 50% Zygarde, who scales to 1/2 as strong as Complete Zygarde, who could destroy the Megalith stated to have enough energy to destroy the world
But prior to this split, yes, he very much should've been 3-C to High 3-A
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