Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2: Getting to work

[CloverDragon03]

couldn't we give them a gen 4 key? there are more than just 1 of each right? maybe the natives of sinnoh are stronger?

Well we could also just make any unknown legendaries "At least 6-C" via scaling above final evos

I just don't want to end up with Mewtwo at 6-C somehow LMAO

What we got to do next is anime stats

Anime profiles will be for Trainer Pokémon and special wild Pokémon like Team Rocket Bewear.

WOOOOOOO YEAH BABY THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT- WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anyways the first order of business is fixing the absolute mess that is Ash's profile. I've made a sandbox that I can link again if needed, but I also understand that the speed section especially needs some looking into given I haven't fully accounted for the cross-scaling split

 

[Omegabronic]

Well we could also just make any unknown legendaries "At least 6-C" via scaling above final evos

yeah maybe that works

I just don't want to end up with Mewtwo at 6-C somehow LMAO

tbf mewtwo is post game in gen 6, so he would be high 6-A which considering the rest of them makes mewtwo quite low tier legendary lol

Anyways the first order of business is fixing the absolute mess that is Ash's profile. I've made a sandbox that I can link again if needed, but I also understand that the speed section especially needs some looking into given I haven't fully accounted for the cross-scaling split

does any of the gen 7 legends have any feats of speed in the anime?

 

[Ego]

What tier would mega Rayquaza be then?

 

[CloverDragon03]

What tier would mega Rayquaza be then?

5-B. Destroyed Grand Meteor Delta, which was going to destroy Earth

 

[CloverDragon03]

does any of the gen 7 legends have any feats of speed in the anime?

I know the Alola gang goes through Ultra Space a few times on Solgaleo

 

[LordTracer]

tbf mewtwo is post game in gen 6, so he would be high 6-A which considering the rest of them makes mewtwo quite low tier legendary lol

I feel like it’d make more sense to base the legends off of their own generations and games, so R/B/Y and FR/LG for Mewtwo.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Screw it, linking the sandbox again for easier access

Can y'all believe that 2-B to 2-A Ash is a thing?

 

[Zeifyl]

I feel like it’d make more sense to base the legends off of their own generations and games, so R/B/Y and FR/LG for Mewtwo.

Poor Mewtwo... IIRC, those games have nothing noteworthy.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I feel like it’d make more sense to base the legends off of their own generations and games, so R/B/Y and FR/LG for Mewtwo.

Do I need to explain the problem with the Pokémon genetically engineered to be the strongest being only 6-C?

 

[LordTracer]

Do I need to explain the problem with the Pokémon genetically engineered to be the strongest being only 6-C?

It is the strongest in Gen 1 so-

 

[Omegabronic]

Can y'all believe that 2-B to 2-A Ash is a thing?

surprised that we didn't found a way for to scale to arceus yet

 

[Ego]

5-B. Destroyed Grand Meteor Delta, which was going to destroy Earth

What about in the manga?
Do most legendary Pokemon scale to Ultra necrozma or UN in the manga is downgraded?

 

[CloverDragon03]

What about in the manga?
Do most legendary Pokemon scale to Ultra necrozma or UN in the manga is downgraded?

A lot of legendaries will be 3-C to High 3-A in the manga yeah

 

[Sniper670]

Screw it, linking the sandbox again for easier access

Can y'all believe that 2-B to 2-A Ash is a thing?

Jesus

 

[CloverDragon03]

It is the strongest in Gen 1 so-

Why limit the scope to Gen 1 tho? Mewtwo’s a bit of a special case compared to other legendaries because of how it was made to be the strongest. Even as later gens have released, that narrative remains the same

I refuse to believe in Mewtwo being only 6-C

 

[CloverDragon03]

Jesus

My boi is going places

Anyways, thoughts?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I just don't want to end up with Mewtwo at 6-C somehow LMAO

Mewtwo appears post-game in Kalos, at the very least.

 

[LordTracer]

Why limit the scope to Gen 1 tho? Mewtwo’s a bit of a special case compared to other legendaries because of how it was made to be the strongest. Even as later gens have released, that narrative remains the same

I refuse to believe in Mewtwo being only 6-C

Unless we’re gonna scale Mewtwo above the Creation Trio, it being “the strongest” doesn’t mean a whole lot outside of its own generation.

Maybe it could scale above the Weather Trio if we take the statements to mean it’s the strongest in Generation 3, but aside from that, I don’t see it being anything other than 6-C.

 

[Omegabronic]

Why limit the scope to Gen 1 tho? Mewtwo’s a bit of a special case compared to other legendaries because of how it was made to be the strongest. Even as later gens have released, that narrative remains the same

I refuse to believe in Mewtwo being only 6-C

yeah just scale him of gen 6 and call it a day, i don't see a reason to limit the scale to just the origin game they appeared in, like mewtwo's only thing in gen 1 is being the strongest wild encounter, it doesn't contradict his appearance in gen 6

 

[CloverDragon03]

Unless we’re gonna scale Mewtwo above the Creation Trio, it being “the strongest” doesn’t mean a whole lot outside of its own generation.

Maybe it could scale above the Weather Trio if we take the statements to mean it’s the strongest in Generation 3, but aside from that, I don’t see it being anything other than 6-C.

I’d take it for any Gen where Mewtwo is in the regional Dex (so Gens 1, 3, and 6), because those more actively acknowledge Mewtwo as a whole

So… High 6-A

 

[y3p_owo]

I say lowest because, take Gen 4 for example... We're not making Zapdos, Moltres, and Articuno 2-B to 2-A

Yes we will-

I’d take it for any Gen where Mewtwo is in the regional Dex (so Gens 1, 3, and 6), because those more actively acknowledge Mewtwo as a whole

So… High 6-A

No HeartGold and SoulSilver? Also, I'm assuming we're not going to use SwSh's expansion pass in this?

Actually, what do you mean by any Gen where Mewtwo is in the regional Dex? Do you mean just any Gen that gives Mewtwo a PokeDex entry or any Gen that allows you to get Mewtwo without needing to trade? (Excluding Ultra Sun & Moon of course.)

 

[Ego]

A lot of legendaries will be 3-C to High 3-A in the manga yeah

Which ones?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Which ones?

Think everyone who scales to Ultra Beasts (a.k.a Zygarde, Mega Mewtwo...)

 

[Zeifyl]

Which ones?

I think all the ones that currently are. Maybe not the Gen 5 ones though.

 

[Ego]

Think everyone who scales to Ultra Beasts (a.k.a Zygarde, Mega Mewtwo...)

So Rayquaza no longer scales to tier 3 and Reshiram and Zekrom?

 

[LordTracer]

I’d take it for any Gen where Mewtwo is in the regional Dex (so Gens 1, 3, and 6), because those more actively acknowledge Mewtwo as a whole

So… High 6-A

I really don’t see why would consider the statements to include Generation 6 as well, but it doesn’t really matter because it’d be High 6-A via scaling above Groudon and Kyogre anyway.

 

[Ego]

Just so y'all know the OP wants Mew and Mewtwo to be tier 2

 

[Omegabronic]

So Rayquaza no longer scales to tier 3 and Reshiram and Zekrom?

yeah, rayquaza scales to deoxys only with mega evolution, and half that for base form due to how mega boost work, reshiram and zeckrom scale to high 6-A

 

[Omegabronic]

Just so y'all know the OP wants Mew and Mewtwo to be tier 2

in the anime

 

[Ego]

This canon split is just weird bro...

 

[Omegabronic]

I really don’t see why would consider the statements to include Generation 6 as well, but it doesn’t really matter because it’d be High 6-A via scaling above Groudon and Kyogre anyway.

why would mewtwo scale to groudon and kyogre?

 

[Ego]

This canon split just upgrades and downgrades a lot of characters

 

[LordTracer]

why would mewtwo scale to groudon and kyogre?

If we say the statements of Mewtwo being the strongest Pokémon would apply to all Gen 3 Pokémon, it would scale above Groudon and Kyogre.

 

[Ego]

If we say the statements of Mewtwo being the strongest Pokémon would apply to all Gen 3 Pokémon, it would scale above Groudon and Kyogre.

Way above them actually

 

[Omegabronic]

If we say the statements of Mewtwo being the strongest Pokémon would apply to all Gen 3 Pokémon, it would scale above Groudon and Kyogre.

what are the statements? i don't remember any tbh

 

[Sniper670]

I don't think these scientists have enough information about all legendaries for us to extend that statement beyond Kanto region.

 

[LordTracer]

what are the statements? i don't remember any tbh

¯\(ツ)/¯

Clover mentioned them, so I assume he has them.

 

[StekFence]

But aren’t the tier 6 feats those legends perform, in legend? So they should have a fair idea of how strong those Pokémon are.

 

[Omegabronic]

I don't think these scientists have enough information about all legendaries for us to extend that statement beyond Kanto region.

yeah, at best we can scale him to gen 6, since he is post game there

 

[Omegabronic]

But aren’t the tier 6 feats those legends perform, in legend? So they should have a fair idea of how strong those Pokémon are.

we don't know if the scientists believe or even know about said legends