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Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2: Getting to work
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Why are we still on about JOL as if that movie isn’t Plot-Induced Stupidity incarnate?
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It is really not in-context imo. However, what it does is limit the actual scale of it's main subject, limitations that aren't showcased anywhere else, and as such, should be disregarded.
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No, it just is. The director literally admitted that the “incomplete without the plates” thing was introduced just so Arceus wouldn’t be too broken for the plot. Using anything it brings as “anti-feats” should really be taken with a grain of salt
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That's not stupid, tho. It's actually a pretty good weakness. It's just not present anywhere else.
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It’s Plot-Induced Stupidity because it was just created for this movie for the sake of nerfing Arceus because it’d be too broken for the plot otherwise
That’s legit textbook Plot-Induced Stupidity
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Arceus had 0 appearances in the anime at the time. Barely even any backstory at all. (Hell, he hadn't even appeared officially in the games)
They introduced a imo very logical weakness, that tied neatly to what the Plates told us in the games (being that they are shards of the universe). An avatar of a god that can only live when in possession of parts of creation itself, and when you take them away, he becomes more limited.
Agree to disagree, lol.
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Also, the term “Plot-Induced Stupidity” doesn’t have to do with if you think it’s stupid or not, funnily enough. The term just refers to events that go against what is established just for the sake of the plot. If you think it’s a logical weakness, that’s fine, but going by the definition it’s PIS
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i am confused, you said that the plates defensive mechanism is what makes arceus low 1-C, and then when i pointed that he had them, you said that they don't have a mechanism? what are you even talking about anymore?
what would be the problem?
also you know that the number of people who did fight arceus is very small right?
prove what exactly?
for now the player would scale, possibly even after the profile is fixed, but if what you are saying is right then someone should fix it
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What's your issue exactly?
Arceus body is not low 1C, neither was that remotely implied in any way. Especially when he was testing yjethe player as he does all the tine
That makes any Argument for low 1C player moot. What are you affecting of his that is low 1C? Nothing. So no Low 1C
Prove that everyone who fights your Arceus is low 1C.
Going by your logic, that's the implications here
No one is scaling to low 1C here so you can rest assured
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as by the current profile it is, make a crt to change it if you have a problem with it
this is not db, there is no way for you to lower your durability, which is low 1-C in this case
yes it is, problem?
well if you say so, just link to the thread when you make to fix it
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I'm going to play this game on and on till you give up. Okay let's continue
Arceus does not possess low durability on his own. Which is why he can be nuked if he doesn't use the plates to neg the powers, as shown in JOL
He doesn't utilize the defensive capabilities of his plates = There 0 low 1C thing here. So there's no low 1C scaling here at all.
Oh, so you have an Arceus in your party so you fighting Pikachu in the wild makes Pikachu low 1C?
It's not anything to make a new crt, just a minor change
Again, Arceus possessing all plates does not make him Low 1C at all
Arceus does not possess low durability on his own. Which is why he can be nuked if he doesn't use the plates to neg the powers, as shown in JOL
He doesn't utilize the defensive capabilities of his plates = There 0 low 1C thing here. So there's no low 1C scaling here at all.
Prove it. I'm waiting
Oh, so you have an Arceus in your party so you fighting Pikachu in the wild makes Pikachu low 1C?
No need. I'll just go over the old thread and ask a mod of edit it.
It's not anything to make a new crt, just a minor change
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Read the thread carefully.
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So he's still tier 2 but with 5D power null?
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i am going to very clear now, in the profile, there is absolutely nothing of what you are talking about, arceus is just low 1-C in the profile, the plates are never cited in the profile, if that is a mistake in the profile, then fix it, until then, if we were to make a PLA player key, they would scale since arceus would be low 1-C since that is what it is in the profile, again if it is a mistake then fix it, i am just clarifying that the scale would happen as the way the profile is now
this argument doesn't work, i have a charizard in my party, so is pikachu 6-C? i have a dialga in my party, so is pikachu 2-B/2-A
? i have a necrozma in my party, so is pikachu 3-C/high 3-A? see the problem? wild encounters were never used for scale, they would not be used here ever
ok then good, let us stop then
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That's the fault of the person who edited the profile, and not the proposals I made
You're not allowed under any circumstances to use that as an argument, when I've made you aware it's an error that was made on his profile. We're not going to make anyone low 1C when the premise of it is an error that was overlooked and is going to be corrected
Sure. I realised that's just crap game mechanics
Read first post
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PLA should still be tier 2 for trading blows with Arceus
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Just saying(Arceus about to be high tier Smurf in tier 2)
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Can I ask again why you're using a PIS-filled movie as your only evidence?
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Sigh
Arceus can negate all attacks and be unaffected, if he wants to via. I specifically proposed his Power null + Invulnerability scale. He didn't use it, falling in line with his proposition as he's testing a fodder human being and his equally fodder Pikachu= Nothing is scaling to low 1C here
If you want to make player low 1C, make a crt and provide evidence as to why all Arceus hax as well as his physiology is 5D, and why that makes the player's pikachu's 3D lightning bolt have 5D potency for chipping Arceus health, when 3D ground type Pokémon are immune
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You can say "he was testing them" all you want but even then, you can't say that about Origin Dialga/Palkia, as they went rampaging. Evidently, the player would be scaling to a higher dimensional tier than 3-D. Also, isn't Arceus' physiology infinitely above Dialga's/Palkia's, which are 4-D, which is the whole basis for Avatar Arceus being 5-D to begin with?
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This is what I thought as well, specially given the justification used on the profile.
So yeah, until Sniper downgrades it (or tries to... Again...), indeed those that can fight Arceus should be Low 1-C.
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No they do not. The CT that fight the player aren't 4D.
They're all 3D beings. Honestly, that stuff that the CT have some form of abstract form is complete headcannon that I plan to downgrade/remove some time this year. Completely trashed and contradicted with the Origin Forms which are mentioned to be their true forms
No, Arceus is a 3D being like everyone else. Nowhere was it mentioned he has an infinitely superior physiology unless you can prove it here. I'll wait
No, the basis for 5D is that Arceus can use his plates to negate/block attacks with his plates, or anything that he can dish out from his plates basically, which is the source of power he used to create his transcendent realm
Something he never did when he fought the player. So I disagree for logical reasons here
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well, they still have tier 2 power and defense, therefore the player would scale to a higher dimensional tier
so we would need a new key for arceus for when he doesn't have his plates, thing that occurred multiple times in the series
he used his plates
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He wouldn't
Prove their body is 5D/4D, then we'd discuss anything close to that
No we would not.
To nullify/negate/block anything?
No. No one scales.
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why would i need to do that? 3d beings can have higher dimensional power aka tier 2 stats
you know, it would have been cool for you to elaborate
didn't you say that the defense capabilities scale as well?
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Did I disagree with that?
I'm asking you to prove the player interacted with any 4D thing in the fight
Just as I'm asking of proof of player interacting with 4D/5D and you can't do so?
Again. Did Arceus use the plates to do anything of that sorts?
No he didn't. He did?
Prove it. It's that simple
NB: I'm completely against anyone scaling to low 1C and I'll oppose it for as long as you push it.
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