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do you know about all legends and myths in the world?Shouldn’t literally everybody know about the legends?
The statements at the Pokemon Mansion, how the scientist aimed to create the strongest Pokemon and the infamous: "we succeeded".what are the statements? i don't remember any tbh
interesting, so i propose we just scale to the gen 6 legendsThe statements at the Pokemon Mansion, how the scientist aimed to create the strongest Pokemon and the infamous: "we succeeded".
Should be noted, the pokédex never states Mewtwo is the strongest. The statements of the strongest only apply in Kanto (and likely Johto).
How do we explain Mewtwo only being discoverable and fought after beating Diantha in XY though?
so i propose we just scale to the gen 6 legends
Which is why I personally support him scaling to High 6-A based on the gen 6 legends.How do we explain Mewtwo only being discoverable and fought after beating Diantha in XY though?
why can't we just make a key for the gen 4 version of the birds?Which is why I personally support him scaling to High 6-A based on the gen 6 legends.
But it seems the rest want to limit this sort of scaling to their respective gens (which would completely solve the Birds scaling bs ovo)
fair pointdo you know about all legends and myths in the world?
Me no really get how being unlockable after a big fight, means they're stronger than said fight
Giratina isn't stronger than Volo (Who also uses Giratina)
I'm not exactly opposed, but I can also see how that brings more problems. Like, why don't we make keys for every gen for every legendary (that this applies to)? Why are the birds so special in that sense? When simply, they don't have to scale. Which also brings another thing: Why should we use this kind of scaling at all?why can't we just make a key for the gen 4 version of the birds?
isn't normal for us to give a character another key when they are shown greater feats along the time of a story? how is this different than, say, naruto from the first arc to naruto from the last arc?I'm not exactly opposed, but I can also see how that brings more problems. Like, why don't we make keys for every gen for every legendary (that this applies to)? Why are the birds so special in that sense? When simply, they don't have to scale. Which also brings another thing: Why should we use this kind of scaling at all?
levels are even canon? also they could have got strongerAt the end of the day, this entire thing is an assumption. A reasonable one imo, but an assumption nonetheless.
We have no canon reason or way to know that these legends can give fight to the protagonists, and thus should receive scaling to their progress at that point (...besides their level when encountered).
I don't think I should have to explain why the legendary birds of all Pokemon being 2-B to 2-A makes no sense, even if it's for a different keyisn't normal for us to give a character another key when they are shown greater feats along the time of a story? how is this different than, say, naruto from the first arc to naruto from the last arc?
You see how you need to introduce even more assumptions to justify another one? That's precisely what we should avoid.levels are even canon? also they could have got stronger
Specially when their personal feats are literal infinities below (Moltres interacting with the seasons passively), which is the key part in all of this.I don't think I should have to explain why the legendary birds of all Pokemon being 2-B to 2-A makes no sense, even if it's for a different key
Ash being tier 2 makes even less sense to meI don't think I should have to explain why the legendary birds of all Pokemon being 2-B to 2-A makes no sense, even if it's for a different key
He has a legit feat, unlike the birds. It is what it is.Ash being tier 2 makes even less sense to me
Too bad he's gonna get slammed by Xeno Goku and Super Sonic lolHe has a legit feat, unlike the birds. It is what it is.
Respect the World ChampionAsh being tier 2 makes even less sense to me
Ash: Pikachu, use Quick Attack and follow up with Thunder BoltToo bad he's gonna get slammed by Xeno Goku and Super Sonic lol
The Creation Trio and Arceus watched the tourney together and are proud of his victoryRespect the World Champion
I don't respect wankRespect the World Champion
Ash: "Pikachu use-"Ash: Pikachu, use Quick Attack and follow up with Thunder Bolt
Blitzing Goku and one shotting him
Your personal bias doesn’t change the fact that Journeys Ash > Leon > Cynthia ~ Palkia is the scale based on the events that occur in the animeI don't respect wank
You might as well scale Alain to Primal Groudon and Stevens Metagross to Kyogre thenYour personal bias doesn’t change the fact that Journeys Ash > Leon > Cynthia ~ Palkia is the scale based on the events that occur in the anime
If you wish to contribute to the thread, it needs to be productive
what is the problem if they have feats?You might as well scale Alain to Primal Groudon and Stevens Metagross to Kyogre then
if he has the feats then why not?Might as well make Ash Sceptile MFTL+ because it can catch Deoxys
he is weaker without them and it would be an outlier by that point in timeMight as well give Pikachu 5D AP because it can hurt Arceus without the plates
what would be the problem?Might as well give the main protagonist of PLA 5D durability and AP because it can trade blows with Arceus
Yes, we're doing that (well mainly Steven because Alain got clapped)You might as well scale Alain to Primal Groudon and Stevens Metagross to Kyogre then
If Deoxys in the anime is MFTL+ then yesMight as well make Ash Sceptile MFTL+ because it can catch Deoxys
The director of that movie admitted to nerfing Arceus for the sake of the plot so it'd be Plot-Induced StupidityMight as well give Pikachu 5D AP because it can hurt Arceus without the plates
Yes, we're doing thatMight as well give the main protagonist of PLA 5D durability and AP because it can trade blows with Arceus
What problems? It's only Journeys AshThere's too many problems if Ash is scaled to 2A.
I don't want to deal with that
Because the anime profiles are honestly hella outdatedThe problem is that why didn't they have these things in the first place?
also we had rules against scaling legendaries to trainersBecause the anime profiles are honestly hella outdated
I'm not exactly opposed, but I can also see how that brings more problems. Like, why don't we make keys for every gen for every legendary (that this applies to)? Why are the birds so special in that sense?
Which is honestly very dumb...also we had rules against scaling legendaries to trainers
And where are you getting this from?The main thing I can think of is that the Birbs are a group of species rather than a group of individuals. The Birbs in Sinnoh are very likely different from the ones in Kanto. Whether that warrants these individuals jumping from Tier 6 to 2 is another question.
Alain would've been tier 3 a long time ago because his Charizard defeated 50% ZygardeWhich is honestly very dumb...
1. The fact that you can catch wild Birbs in Let’s Go by flying on the back of a Pokémon. On top of the typical set encounters.And where are you getting this from?
Well since we're banning cross scaling with anything that isn't the Creation Trio, he'd be Low 5-B, scaling to 50% Zygarde, who scales to 1/2 as strong as Complete Zygarde, who could destroy the Megalith stated to have enough energy to destroy the worldAlain would've been tier 3 a long time ago because his Charizard defeated 50% Zygarde