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Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 1: Splitting the Pokemon Canons (Massive Pokemon CRT)
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Regardless, I think a new CRT is needed, there are over 550 replies and no one is even aware of what's going on.
A new CRT to summarize points for and against would make stuff clearer.
A new CRT to summarize points for and against would make stuff clearer.
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This is exactly why a new thread to do this over again is needed now. Several, several counter posts have been made. A very big one by Strym just recently a page ago.
And, no offense, but people coming in to agree and admitting they haven't....seen the rest of the thread, for something extremely and hugely important for this series, doesn't make me confident in the actual counters getting seen.
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Quite. I'd need OP's permission.
Also most of the staff didn't even read my post except Agnaa.
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This is why I hate multiple paged threads. Most people coming to agree are more than likely not going to be reading through the whole thread, staff especially (and it's even admitted here).
If a vote's to count, both sides arguments need to be taken into consideration before you continue saying "still agree with x".
If a vote's to count, both sides arguments need to be taken into consideration before you continue saying "still agree with x".
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Nah, people can very easily come and change their votes if a new point changes their minds. If CRTs had to null votes every time a new argument came it would be a massacre
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The counters simply are too weak for people to change their votes gg
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Or people who agreed several pages ago didn't come back to see updates. Which happens all the time.
Agnna was the only staff who even saw Strym's latest debunk post, and the recent staff member that commented literally admitted that they had no idea what was being talked about throughout all these pages.
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For now, we can just chill out and wait a day or so to see if other staff members read Strym's response.
Please stop the unnecessary comments @Arceus0x @Paul_Frank
Please stop the unnecessary comments @Arceus0x @Paul_Frank
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Yup. PMD lacks explicit confirmation of canon. So ye, only the 6 medias I've mentioned will be used.Arceus has mid godly(Dark Matter) , AE 2(Dark Matter), AE1/CM2(Voice of Life) and CM2 life hax(Xerneas) on account of PMD.
Is that going to be affected by this?
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Confirmation as in? I fail to see how those you mentioned has any better canon. Anything with TPC seal on it is canon, or hosted on their site.
Link cable exists there. Something that was developed by humans in the main multiverse
Coronet Rock exists there
The story literally starts with the human being pulled from his world to the world of mystery dungeon. Human world, being the main multiverse
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And?
Pokémon Earth exists too so?
Is still too different. You don't make RéBURST canon just because it was officially released on SJ (and that requires approval from TPC) and got some similarities too.
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Too different ≠ Non Canon.
Pokémon Go is different
It still got approved by TPC and supposedly follows the worldview like everything else.
The fact no one is interested in making profiles for them doesn't mean it's non canon
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You're the one to prove it has the same backing lmao. It lacks both WoG and direct links, soooo.
Go has direct links with main core lmao.
Literally every single not canon thing is. Otherwise is fanfiction.
"Everything in Pokémon is canon unless contradicted" is legit dumb. Is actually the opposite, given how canon works here.
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Yeah because it’s literally explained in the games the split that resulted in those opposing timelines…
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Being Official ≠ Being Canon
Official and yet still non canon spin offs exist nearly everywhere
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Yes because the Pokéverse follows mwi where all possibilities, including contradictions branch into their own respective universes
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Yeah, not Pokémon. There are rules they have to obey here. Worldview and all, Executor_N0 or Gyro mentioned that earlier no??
Not with Pokémon because they have to follow the worldview
Kyogre is not suddenly the embodiement of the sky in pmd
Xerneas doesn't become the embodiement of the ocean
Palkia doesn't become the deity of time
Dialga doesn't become the embodiement of space in pmd
They follow the worldview.
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Official =/= Canon. DBGT isn't canon just because TOEI made both it and Super.
Satoshi and Nintendo's direct approvation and POV of Manga being a closer look to their world.
This is literally how non-canon stuff is not fanfiction...
Because of MWI then every single fanmade is canon now?
"Pokémon is the exception because I want to".
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Which is not enough for scaling in the face of contradictions. Spider-Man shoots spider webs, that doesn't mean we can scale his AP to every appearance in every medium.
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Not to mention there are also things like this for Mystery Dungeon:
They directly imply in the official Nintendo Power guide for Red/Blue Rescue Team that the world of trainers (from the games) is the same as the human world, which is a canonically different universe from the Pokemon-only world in the Mystery Dungeon game series (albeit same cosmology obviously).
It's very clearly in reference to the games as well considering the caption beneath the heading literally mentions "previous games" in it. There's no argument about one-sided canonicity either like you tried claiming in the last thread for other details because this is just straight up from a Nintendo publication in general. I see literally no reason for Mystery Dungeon not to be canon given the multiple implications and intentions that seem to intrinsically tie it to the main canon.
They directly imply in the official Nintendo Power guide for Red/Blue Rescue Team that the world of trainers (from the games) is the same as the human world, which is a canonically different universe from the Pokemon-only world in the Mystery Dungeon game series (albeit same cosmology obviously).
It's very clearly in reference to the games as well considering the caption beneath the heading literally mentions "previous games" in it. There's no argument about one-sided canonicity either like you tried claiming in the last thread for other details because this is just straight up from a Nintendo publication in general. I see literally no reason for Mystery Dungeon not to be canon given the multiple implications and intentions that seem to intrinsically tie it to the main canon.
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Even Pokemon masters makes a reference to Mystery Dungeon too.
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Masters shouldn't either tbh.
Regardless I'm neutral on the evidence shown above.
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PMD..... Human trainers was taken from his world into pmd. Literally the beginning of all the stories of pmd
Link Cable and Coronet Rock is just supporting evidence
Sure
You failed to prove that it's not canon
And you went to raise another franchise to prove your point, which is a false equivalence. Knowing very well everything that comes from the franchise follows a strict worldview and deviations are always accounted for with a reason
Thank God PMD isn't fan made
No, because you believe your opinion supercedes the rules GF set for the franchise
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Which rules...?
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Characters not having completely different roles in the story does not define a canon piece of media… changes in setting, story, mechanics etc. can all change and turn a piece of media non-canon, also iirc we put the burden on proof on people to prove something is canon and the evidence here ain’t it chief
Saying “They didn’t drastically change the very concept of this character so it must be canon” is so dumb
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Still better than "doesn't contradict so is canon" lmao
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I'd still love to hear about those "rules of canon" which TPC has made.
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Executor_N0 made a great post earlier (page 1) detailing the worldview of the franchise.
Go read that
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